i was playing as a goalie in teen/student years, could play actually as a striker well too but 'd say better was as a goalie, my father was a goalie too so i inherited it from him.. of course with more ppl involved into tennis thru all possible social levels the more competition it would be so the harder for big three to be on top
The modern training argument is not relevant and Murray hasn't done much since medicine kept him going.
Address him properly, i.e., Sir Murray, OBE. Plebe.
Lol.
Only debatable for people who are challenged with simple maths. Pele won three WCs to Diego's one. On Club level he won way more titles and that he never played in Europe is irrelevant as the Brazilian League was every bit as strong back then. Those were not the 90s and beyond where Europe was the be-all-end-all. Maradona's title count is pretty mediocre for a player of his Status. Have to give it to him he played in way worse teams but going by sheer achievements he is not up there.
First he was 17 not 18 and he did play full matches once they let him play first against UdSSR. Second, how is this something to hold against him? He at 17 won a WC, scored 6 goals in 4 games and two assists and two goals and one assist in the final. If anything, this is impressive. 1962 would have been peak Pele, too bad he got injured. In 1970 he got 4 goals and 6 assists 1 goal 2 assists in the final, so not far away from Diego's 86 performance.
In reality it was that Maradona won the internet vote, where all kind of fanboys and other clueless ones could participate. The vote among pundits and ex-players was won by Pele (by a higher margin with 72% to boot).
thanks but that video doesnt work for some reason...is that video against mexico you talked about?..
physically stronger you mean or stronger as a player?
Exactly. Never understood why Murray is rated higher than him when Wilander has plenty of amazing things that he achieved.
How can he be far superior when he doesn't even have more slams than Stan? And a similar record in slams vs Big 3 as Berdych and Tsonga.
Yes but that one was not part of the video I posted. No idea why it does not work. Search "Pele melhores gols dribles and pases" and select the one posted by "Futebol Nacional". There you can find my timestamps.
He has an even worse record than Berd (5-20 vs 5-16).
yea i found it, will watch for sure
True, I meant more in the sense that he had the same amount of wins.
A guy of his calibre should not have a worse record than Berd. Berd even beat two big three at one slam and albeit no Bo5 his OG win against Fed was also against a more prime Version than 2012.
Aging Agassi was tougher for Fed than Murray ever was in BO5.
Who exactly rates Murray higher lol? Mainad?
I've heard several people do it. I guess because Wilander was a pusher by today's standards.
Three slam winner can never be above a seven slam winner, at least not if he played in the modern era with slams the most important achievements.
Another thing I never got from the Murray crowd is slams aren't everything. I mean, sure, they're not, but when the Big 3 are the main reason he doesn't have more, but Wawrinka still managed 3, then what more excuses can you find to explain why he doesn't have more?
Why would you do that? Murray has an excellent touch at the net and is a very smart player.
if wawa=murray with both on 3 slams so gaudio=fred at rg coz both have 1 slam and other stuff dont count too
thanks thats all i wanted to hear i.e. that fred is overrated if agassi with two uso is better that him with five, he inflated his numbers heavily, beautiful
Not really. Even old Agassi did not push Fed too much but since Murray pushed him nada, Agassi was still better. Murray however had the age advantage in some of those matches unlike Agassi.
im not comparing tbh murray and agassi, yea murray below i agree but thats not about that
My point is that it is no knock on Fed. Peak Fed handled old Agassi quite well, went 8-0 against him in a row. Sure there were some close ones but that is to je expected as Agassi is an ATG. Murray otoh who played older Fed did very badly here so we can do this comparison to Agassi without discrediting Fed.
watched your video yea its indeed great moments in there, but btw never thought that moment vs uruguay that that maneuver was super special plus anyway he didnt score there.. about chess, are you aware of that crazy and epic move of shirov bishop h3 vs topalov, its considered one of most epic moves in chess history and maybe even most epic, quite possible too
The Uruguay one is great but ofc nothing never seen after or before. The most outstanding one is the 3.32 one. He even gave the ball spin behind the back of the defender such that it landed perfextly in front of his feet. No idea how he did it. As for Chess, let me come back on it in our private chat.
I am curious that do you were Wilander big titles - 7 slam yes - what were the other 8?
mats was 17 actually
