No..have you seen Rublev...dude is a young version of Davydenko...same body type..and just camps out on the baseline..We don't see it anymore. Anyone want to speculate as to why?
Seems strange..........
Most of the middle tier guys camp on the baseline. I notice, that almost all ATP lacks variety these days.No..have you seen Rublev...dude is a young version of Davydenko...same body type..and just camps out on the baseline..
We don't see it anymore. Anyone want to speculate as to why?
Seems strange..........
I'm not saying nobody grinds anymore. What I'm saying is that "ultra grinding" affairs that just seem to go on endlessly don't happen very often, if at all anymore.No..have you seen Rublev...dude is a young version of Davydenko...same body type..and just camps out on the baseline..
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Wonder why...maybe it’s a lot easier when you are young to play baseline tennis...the only young guy who seems very agressive is Shapo..Most of the middle tier guys camp on the baseline. I notice, that almost all ATP lacks variety these days.
In one of his interviews..Federer also lamented this demise of agressive tennis..i.e. approach the net more..he felt that the young guys just get “comfortable” from the baseline and the coaches don’t coach them to come to the net...he said thats one of the reason for the young guys not to break through at the slams...as he saw it..it would be impossible for a 20 or a 21 year old to go baseline to baseline against a DJ, or nadal or Andy...I'm not saying nobody grinds anymore. What I'm saying is that "ultra grinding" affairs that just seem to go on endlessly don't happen very often, if at all anymore.
And even more than that, we don't see back to back (to back, etc) performances like this. If you see somebody grind out a match for hours these days, they are almost always too spent to play the next round. That wasn't always the case I'd argue.
So my question is, why?
I'd also argue that we are seeing more injuries these days than in the recent past.
I'm not saying nobody grinds anymore. What I'm saying is that "ultra grinding" affairs that just seem to go on endlessly don't happen very often, if at all anymore.
And even more than that, we don't see back to back (to back, etc) performances like this. If you see somebody grind out a match for hours these days, they are almost always too spent to play the next round. That wasn't always the case I'd argue.
So my question is, why?
I'd also argue that we are seeing more injuries these days than in the recent past.
That's my theorymaybe more anti-doping controls...at least?!
thank god no more EPOesque ultra grinding
ATP could pass law that Simon not allowed to retire until a replacement is found.I'm not saying nobody grinds anymore. What I'm saying is that "ultra grinding" affairs that just seem to go on endlessly don't happen very often, if at all anymore.
And even more than that, we don't see back to back (to back, etc) performances like this. If you see somebody grind out a match for hours these days, they are almost always too spent to play the next round. That wasn't always the case I'd argue.
So my question is, why?
I'd also argue that we are seeing more injuries these days than in the recent past.
You consider Rublev a grinder?No..have you seen Rublev...dude is a young version of Davydenko...same body type..and just camps out on the baseline..
I'm pretty sure it's coaching. Since these kids were just young pups when Nadal started getting the spotlight, so the coaching changed from "all court tennis" to "baseline grind".Wonder why...maybe it’s a lot easier when you are young to play baseline tennis...the only young guy who seems very agressive is Shapo..
I think he is the perfect def. of a grinder i.e. baseline camper..You consider Rublev a grinder?
Also..i think young guys get discouraged if they get passed at the net..I remember Martina gave an Interview once where she said “ If I don’t get passed at least 15 times..I know that I am not coming to the net enough”...it requires some big cajones to keep coming to net..even if you get passed often..I'm pretty sure it's coaching. Since these kids were just young pups when Nadal started getting the spotlight, so the coaching changed from "all court tennis" to "baseline grind".
I'm fairly certain that volleying and the art of chip-and-charge aren't taught as much as before (before meaning early 2000's).
Ferrer and Simon are. Rublev wants to finish points early and ofte goes for too much. No net game thoughI think he is the perfect def. of a grinder i.e. baseline camper..
That's actually a good mantra, "If I don't get passed at least 15 times...I know that I am not coming to net enough."Also..i think young guys get discouraged if they get passed at the net..I remember Martina gave an Interview once where she said “ If I don’t get passed at least 15 times..I know that I am not coming to the net enough”...it requires some big cajones to keep coming to net..even if you get passed often..
Coric seems like a grinder
They were. But they haven't been effective for a while now. Is it just age? Because their performance seemed to decline almost literally overnight.Ferrer and Simon are.
I think Ferrer is the most consistent non-grand slam winner..for such a grinding game..he has been relatively healthy through his career..They were. But they haven't been effective for a while now. Is it just age? Because their performance seemed to decline almost literally overnight.
Hey maybe Fed will get into coaching and start a net-game revival.. ..i would hate for him to disapper like PeteThat's actually a good mantra, "If I don't get passed at least 15 times...I know that I am not coming to net enough."
But I do see your point, sadly we're in a time where everybody gets a "participation" trophy. And this is making the next generation of players to not get close to the net, unless they absolutely have to.
I hope he does too, for some young Swiss players, and coaches OHBH players exclusively. But, I wouldn't be mad if he didn't...he's got like a billion dollars.Hey maybe Fed will get into coaching and start a net-game revival.. ..i would hate for him to disapper like Pete
Not so sure man..evertime I watch him..my body aches..todays game against Pospisil..there were so many points where he hit deep into the court to his BH..and could have finished the point by coming in..but no..stayed back and lost the TB in the first set..Ferrer and Simon are. Rublev wants to finish points early and ofte goes for too much. No net game though
Quite a theory. So... Andy, Djoker and Rafa - the epic grinders you're referencing without naming were all doping but now they're not so .... they're injured(?) BUT the world #1 37-year old is simultaneously clean as a whistle.That's my theory
If you can't beat em just wait till they're injured I guessAndy Muggy and Novak Djoke being essentially out of tennis is the best thing that has ever happened to the sport
I agree with that. I attend a lot of junior tournaments and events. I've seen drills where they're teaching them to backpedal into the backhand side of the court to hit forehands. I don't recall seeing any slice followed by coming to the net drills (that doesn't mean it's not done, just that I've not seen it).I'm pretty sure it's coaching. Since these kids were just young pups when Nadal started getting the spotlight, so the coaching changed from "all court tennis" to "baseline grind".
I'm fairly certain that volleying and the art of chip-and-charge aren't taught as much as before (before meaning early 2000's).
I like Coric. I think he's got one of the more balanced games out there.Coric was hitting some Peakovic laser backhands against Fedr the other day though. I wonder if that's a new feature of his game. If he can continue hitting the BH like that, watch out!
LOL.
This.God, I hope so
No..have you seen Rublev...dude is a young version of Davydenko...same body type..and just camps out on the baseline..
Hope you are being sarcastic...I gues there is fine line between a baseline and a grinder..Davy wasn’t a grinder was he?
Hey WilsonDavy wasn’t a grinder was he?
I agree with that. I attend a lot of junior tournaments and events. I've seen drills where they're teaching them to backpedal into the backhand side of the court to hit forehands. I don't recall seeing any slice followed by coming to the net drills (that doesn't mean it's not done, just that I've not seen it).
What? Rublev is a mindless ball basher. Not a grinderNo..have you seen Rublev...dude is a young version of Davydenko...same body type..and just camps out on the baseline..
What? Rublev is a mindless ball basher. Not a grinder
Zverev, Coric, and Chung like to grind. But not to the extent of Nadal/Djokovic/Murrray