Junior Orange Bowl Tournament my experience and the bad behavior I witnessed

[Miami Tiburon]

I thought I would post my thoughts on watching the Junior Orange Bowl the last few weeks.I was pleased to see the American kids do so well especially in the 16"s Boys and Girls.I was very sorry to hear of the fight that broke out during doubles play I only read about it,but not much talk concerning the incident at the Tournament.Its very upseting for the Juniors who work so hard to get to the Orange Bowl only to be disquilified, but I think they have to send a message with how some of these kids are acting on and off the court.At the boys 14's tournament I thought a couple of players should have been disqualified by basicly acting like brats and cursing on the court.One of the things I think officials should do is penalize players for trash talking in the direction of their opponets.Its getting to were every point they have to scream something at the opponent.Also the racquet throwing and the screaming is just out of control.Its ok to pump yourself up with come on or Vamos, but his thing were they scream WHAT looking in the direction of the opponent its just uncalled for.The line calling has also been terrible all this week I think I have seen two matches were the players were fair with eachother.Not everything has been bad the Tennis has been great, and these Juniors just keep getting better and better every year.I just wish the parents would help along with the officials and take control of the actions of the players on the court.

 

[papatenis]

I just wish the parents would help along with the officials and take control of the actions of the players on the court.

Parents and some of the academies are the main reason they cheat and have bad sportsmanship.
It's the parents responsibility to control their children's behavior, but some tennis academies teach, "if it's close, call it out", fist pumping, "come on", and many other tactics to use in a match.

ITF and the USTA need to create/inforce rules to stop this bad behavior.

 

[Miami Tiburon]

Your right about some of the academies teaching that,like I said the fist pumping or the come on does not bother me as much as when they look over the net at their opponent and yell stuff at them.Also I had Jose Higueras next to me at a match and he seemed to be as surprised as me at the behavior.In one particular match he was watching,I heard him say about this one Russian kid he is gonna have a heart attack.Every point the kid was screaming banging his racquet and carrying on like it was the end of the world.I just think the behavior keeps getting worse, and the USTA needs to take control with the help of the parents.

 

[10isDad]

This past weekend in Phoenix, there was a men's open tournament with $20,000 total prize money.

It was great to see that in the semifinal between Andrei Pavel and Artem Sitak, the players actually called their own balls out. As an example, Pavel hit a 1st serve, Sitak looked at the line, shrugged and applauded. Pavel then corrected him and said he was positive the serve was out. Not something you'd likely see in the juniors.

In fact, the only accusation of cheating occurred in a doubles match between two college players and a team consisting of 15 year old twins. The college players said the twins hooked them on many, many points.

 

[TennisCoachFLA]

Its everywhere, all sports, parents, kids, grandparents.

The increase in yelling and show boating and complaining to refs has changed so much in the last 10-15 years. Little league, biddy basketball, kids soccer, you name it.

The one difference in junior tennis is in place of players and parents yelling at the refs after EVERY call you have hooking.

That being said the USTA and McEnroe could take a stand and change things. More money for refs, more penalties, less $9.3 mil for the CEO.

 

[Miami Tiburon]

Its everywhere, all sports, parents, kids, grandparents.

The increase in yelling and show boating and complaining to refs has changed so much in the last 10-15 years. Little league, biddy basketball, kids soccer, you name it.

The one difference in junior tennis is in place of players and parents yelling at the refs after EVERY call you have hooking.

That being said the USTA and McEnroe could take a stand and change things. More money for refs, more penalties, less $9.3 mil for the CEO.

I read that about the 9.3 million for the CEO.With a tournament as important as the Orange Bowl you would think they would have more refs.The one postive was seeing Hiqueras and Ivan Lendl helping the USTA development players at the Tournament.Hopefully they saw what I saw and influence the USTA to make some changes.

 

[JoelDali]

The Orange Bowl doesn't make $.

The USTA doesn't give a frick about it probably.

 

[Miami Tiburon]

The Orange Bowl doesn't make $.

The USTA doesn't give a frick about it probably.

The Qualys alone had 256 player draws in each age group.Lets say the registration fees at $100.00 plus thats a nice chunk of change.Unless the Orange Bowl has no fees which i Doubt.Maybe somebody else can answer that.

 

[JoelDali]

$25,600?

Arlen is laughing at you.

 

[TnsMan2]

Your right about some of the academies teaching that,like I said the fist pumping or the come on does not bother me as much as when they look over the net at their opponent and yell stuff at them.Also I had Jose Higueras next to me at a match and he seemed to be as surprised as me at the behavior.In one particular match he was watching,I heard him say about this one Russian kid he is gonna have a heart attack.Every point the kid was screaming banging his racquet and carrying on like it was the end of the world.I just think the behavior keeps getting worse, and the USTA needs to take control with the help of the parents.

Are you talking about a Russian kid or John McEnroe who we glorify and when he plays tournys (senior)and he starts cussing and acting like and ass i dont see anyone from the crowd telling him to shut up we all watch and enjoy his ugly act.

No one in the USTA or ITF has the backbone to stop it so sit back and enjoy the show all these repulsive kids.

 

[TennisCoachFLA]

Are you talking about a Russian kid or John McEnroe who we glorify and when he plays tournys (senior)and he starts cussing and acting like and ass i dont see anyone from the crowd telling him to shut up we all watch and enjoy his ugly act.

No one in the USTA or ITF has the backbone to stop it so sit back and enjoy the show all these repulsive kids.

I could not agree more. John McEnroe makes my skin crawl. The stuff he pulled and still sometimes pulls makes me sick. I wish both McEnroes would just go away.

 

[TnsMan2]

I could not agree more. John McEnroe makes my skin crawl. The stuff he pulled and still sometimes pulls makes me sick. I wish both McEnroes would just go away.

Im going to maybe be sitting down with one of them soon for discussions so im going to reserve judgement till after let you know how it goes.

But yes i think his behavior is way out of line and we all sit around and ok it .

these kids need stiff refs that dont put up with any crap.

 

[chalkflewup]

USTA can certainly help but I wouldn't blame Patrick McEnroe. The responsibility begins at home. Unfortunately, many parents don't have the stones to discipline their kid by pulling him from a tournament to teach them an important life lesson because "junior's" ranking might suffer. Sad but true.

Parents, students and coaches need more education, tighter rules, and an enforcement of those rules. Look what PSA's and changes in the law did for seat belt enforcement over the last 25 years. That's where I think USTA can help.

Excessive gamesmanship and cheating should not be tolerated in our sport - period. Every tournament that kids sign up for should have a "click through" agreement that states the expectations and consequences if the rules of the court are not upheld. A zero tolerance policy should be enforced. Then and only then will the gamesmanship and cheating stop.

 

[notennis]

USTA can certainly help but I wouldn't blame Patrick McEnroe. The responsibility begins at home. Unfortunately, many parents don't have the stones to discipline their kid by pulling him from a tournament to teach them an important life lesson because "junior's" ranking might suffer. Sad but true.

Parents, students and coaches need more education, tighter rules, and an enforcement of those rules. Look what PSA's and changes in the law did for seat belt enforcement over the last 25 years. That's where I think USTA can help.

Excessive gamesmanship and cheating should not be tolerated in our sport - period. Every tournament that kids sign up for should have a "click through" agreement that states the expectations and consequences if the rules of the court are not upheld. A zero tolerance policy should be enforced. Then and only then will the gamesmanship and cheating stop.

There is a very fine line in trying to put a harnass on your kid to not show any emotion on the battleground. It can't be like Sunday Church out there on the courts either. So lets not get to carried away here. I agree, if the Racquet leaves there hand they should be defaulted. Sports has had many emotions for many years just look at Billy White Shoes Johnson back in the 70s with the than Huston Oilers. He created the celebration dance in the endzone. BTW, Mcenroe was not the only A-Hole back when he ws playing, Connors was right behind him.
In order to make any changes you need refs for every court or it can't possibly change no matter what. It all becomes he said she said at that point.
It boils down to the parents and if I'm a parent I penalize by taking things away at home not the match. Believe it or not it could be healthy to leave them out there and have them learn from there out burst especially when they lose. If you tape the matches you can all sit at home afterwards watch and discuss, etc.

Cheating as I mentioned before can be caught on tape by the parents. Too bad some parents don't care and probably are OK with it in order to get Jr thru to the next round. Only advice is, try your best to not make the match close and cream all your apponnets.........

 

[Miami Tiburon]

There is a very fine line in trying to put a harnass on your kid to not show any emotion on the battleground. It can't be like Sunday Church out there on the courts either. So lets not get to carried away here. I agree, if the Racquet leaves there hand they should be defaulted. Sports has had many emotions for many years just look at Billy White Shoes Johnson back in the 70s with the than Huston Oilers. He created the celebration dance in the endzone. BTW, Mcenroe was not the only A-Hole back when he ws playing, Connors was right behind him.
In order to make any changes you need refs for every court or it can't possibly change no matter what. It all becomes he said she said at that point.
It boils down to the parents and if I'm a parent I penalize by taking things away at home not the match. Believe it or not it could be healthy to leave them out there and have them learn from there out burst especially when they lose. If you tape the matches you can all sit at home afterwards watch and discuss, etc.

Cheating as I mentioned before can be caught on tape by the parents. Too bad some parents don't care and probably are OK with it in order to get Jr thru to the next round. Only advice is, try your best to not make the match close and cream all your apponnets.........

Football is a good example when the celebrations started to get out of control they took action.Its ok to celebrate a Touchdown, but you cant point the ball in the opponents face anymore or stand over an opponent after a big hit.I think the same should be done in Tennis for actions that are over the top..I just dont remember current Pros or Pros from yesterday screaming WHAT at their opponent after just about every single point.Nadal is a perfect example he plays with alot of emotion but I think he is one of the clasiest Pro on tour.You can fist pump scream after a great shot that does not bother me its the disrespect, bad words that I'am hearing too often in these Tournaments,that simply needs to stop.

 

[notennis]

Foorball is a good example when the celebrations started to get out of control they took action.Its ok to celebrate a Touchdown, but you cant point the ball in the opponents face anymore or stand over an opponent after a big hit.I think the same should be done in Tennis for actions that are over the top..I just dont remember current Pros or Pros from yesterday screaming WHAT at their opponent after just about every single point.Nadal is a perfect example he plays with alot of emotion but I think he is one of the clasiest Pro on tour.You can fist pump scream after a great shot that does not bother me its the disrespect, bad words that I'am hearing too often in these Tournaments,that simply needs to stop.

Current Pros or Pros from yesterday never screamed "What" at there apponnet thats why there Pros. The Jr's do this frequently from what your saying. Nadal like many Pros (other than Federer) give stare downs toward there apponnet after big shots especially Nadal when he is losing. Federer is still the class of all the Pros and you rarely see him fisting toward his apponnet or yelling such words as "vamos" so his apponnet can here it like Nadal or some of the others. I'm sure most would agree on this point. Federer had a hot temper at 17 and changed quicky after going on the tour.....I'm a Fed fan as you can see........

I agree on the bad words and this is a clear reflection of the up bringing unfortunately.........

 

[mikeler]

Current Pros or Pros from yesterday never screamed "What" at there apponnet thats why there Pros. The Jr's do this frequently from what your saying. Nadal like many Pros (other than Federer) give stare downs toward there apponnet after big shots especially Nadal when he is losing. Federer is still the class of all the Pros and you rarely see him fisting toward his apponnet or yelling such words as "vamos" so his apponnet can here it like Nadal or some of the others. I'm sure most would agree on this point. Federer had a hot temper at 17 and changed quicky after going on the tour.....I'm a Fed fan as you can see........

I agree on the bad words and this is a clear reflection of the up bringing unfortunately.........

I'm a Fed fan, but he does do an audible "c'mon" after he wins big points. Almost all of the top men and women pros do it. So the juniors are just copying their idols.

 

[notennis]

I'm a Fed fan, but he does do an audible "c'mon" after he wins big points. Almost all of the top men and women pros do it. So the juniors are just copying their idols.

I agree, but Fed does not fist in the direction of his apponnet like Rafa. And if he does a "c'mon" it usually is to himself. Fed is still the class of the bunch..Roddick, Isner, Blake and most of the Americans on the Pro tour are pretty melo compared to the europeans. Just my observation, but interesting none the less.........

 

[papatenis]

Every tournament that kids sign up for should have a "click through" agreement that states the expectations and consequences if the rules of the court are not upheld. A zero tolerance policy should be enforced.

Great idea!

 

[Miami Tiburon]

Current Pros or Pros from yesterday never screamed "What" at there apponnet thats why there Pros. The Jr's do this frequently from what your saying. Nadal like many Pros (other than Federer) give stare downs toward there apponnet after big shots especially Nadal when he is losing. Federer is still the class of all the Pros and you rarely see him fisting toward his apponnet or yelling such words as "vamos" so his apponnet can here it like Nadal or some of the others. I'm sure most would agree on this point. Federer had a hot temper at 17 and changed quicky after going on the tour.....I'm a Fed fan as you can see........

I agree on the bad words and this is a clear reflection of the up bringing unfortunately.........

I will agree with Federer being the class of all the pros especially when it come to dealing with the fans and kids.Nadal on the other hand even when he is practicing makes those ugly faces I dont know if he is staring down opponents or its just the way he looks.I know in my experiences watching him in person he is about as nice as they come.

 

[Miami Tiburon]

Today was a great day of Tennis at the Orange Bowl all the finals were played.I thought the kids handled themselves very well in such a pressure situation.It was also nice to see a very good turn out in the stands.

 

[chalkflewup]

It boils down to the parents and if I'm a parent I penalize by taking things away at home not the match. Believe it or not it could be healthy to leave them out there and have them learn from there out burst especially when they lose. If you tape the matches you can all sit at home afterwards watch and discuss, etc.

Cheating as I mentioned before can be caught on tape by the parents. Too bad some parents don't care and probably are OK with it in order to get Jr thru to the next round. Only advice is, try your best to not make the match close and cream all your apponnets.........

Agreed it makes sense to leave them on the court and have them learn from it. I believe that once sign up for a tournament, it's important to see the commitment through to the end, even if it's bitter. In my opinion, pulling a kid in the middle teaches the wrong lesson (unless the rules default him/her).

 

[TennisCoachFLA]

Agreed it makes sense to leave them on the court and have them learn from it. I believe that once sign up for a tournament, it's important to see the commitment through to the end, even if it's bitter. In my opinion, pulling a kid in the middle teaches the wrong lesson (unless the rules default him/her).

Again we are trying to make things one size fits all. You can not do that with kids. I have seen parents pull kids immediately after they act out with amazing results....the kids get it and change. Other parents leave the kids and get on them after the match, some times that works, other times not.

It all comes back to the parent knowing what works for their specific child.

 

[TnsMan2]

Agreed it makes sense to leave them on the court and have them learn from it. I believe that once sign up for a tournament, it's important to see the commitment through to the end, even if it's bitter. In my opinion, pulling a kid in the middle teaches the wrong lesson (unless the rules default him/her).

You can tell the difference between your kid acting wrong or right I hope . When he does wrong they need consequences or punishment , ive pulled my son 4 x twice in finals just for "tapping" his racket on the ground the other for opening his mouth to much ,it has taught him self-control out there he plays at a high level "intensity" yet still in control. Will he blow it again maybe and he will be delt with again.

But not to do anything will teach every time he steps through the gate he has his set of rules whatever they are and will keep him from improving.

 

[chalkflewup]

You can tell the difference between your kid acting wrong or right I hope . When he does wrong they need consequences or punishment , ive pulled my son 4 x twice in finals just for "tapping" his racket on the ground the other for opening his mouth to much ,it has taught him self-control out there he plays at a high level "intensity" yet still in control. Will he blow it again maybe and he will be delt with again.

But not to do anything will teach every time he steps through the gate he has his set of rules whatever they are and will keep him from improving.

I certainly can distinguish right from wrong. And there are consequences for "wrong" in my house. I just choose to deal with it after the tournament.

 

[notennis]

I certainly can distinguish right from wrong. And there are consequences for "wrong" in my house. I just choose to deal with it after the tournament.

chalkflewup have the right idea. As you can see Mr Baughman has to use brut force and of course demeaning mehods toward his son as a way of dicipline. Black and white, thats it.....TCF im sure in some cases is right but I would rather not humiliate and instead discuss at home. Than again TCF has a child that was hitting from the baseline at 3 so who knows what to believe as he could be exagerating about seeing many parents pulling kids from matches often. Have you seen this method many times chalkflewup? I have'nt..

The game is about growth and how the kids figure it out. The aggresive approach Mr Baughman uses runs the risk of embarassment thus creating the possibility of self esteem issues later on. It is quite apparent that what everyone does not realize especially Mr Baughman is the mental game being the single most important ingredient for success. When you have children at a young age of course puzzles are great, why because they teach dicipline and teaches the kid to figure it out, plain and simple....If you raise your kid properly in a good environment and teach them dicipline at a young age 2-3 years, not giving them what they want, pick up after your self, etc. Good family values with parents who get along and don't fight in front of there children you wont have to worry to much later on about a hostile child. If your kid is hostile and you need to pull him countless times from a match than chances are you had too much hostility in your household growing up thus having creating a hostile child who is angry and obviously won't listen I.E. REBELLING.

 

[TnsMan2]

I certainly can distinguish right from wrong. And there are consequences for "wrong" in my house. I just choose to deal with it after the tournament.

Let me ask you if your son is disrespecting your neighbor ( older lady) when would it be delt with ,let say you heard him dropping the F bomb on the 70 yr old lady. At a business if and employee starts throwing stuff around the office and cussing away when will the boss deal with it at the end of the day , I think not.

We all like to say tennis will teach you life long lessons but the first time we watch our children act out in a way that would cause them to be put in their place at any job , we come up with so many excuses their future bosses wont have.

the times my son has acted out , ive pointed at him pointed at his bag and he packed up and i usually have a couple of parents tell me great job to bad there were not more parents like you , not that i need them to validate me nor do i care but they even know how it should be delt with .

Best to you and how you deal im just glad your open to doing it most parents don't care about their kids like notennis he hates his kids!

 

[TnsMan2]

chalkflewup have the right idea. As you can see Mr Baughman has to use brut force and of course demeaning mehods toward his son as a way of dicipline. Black and white, thats it.....TCF im sure in some cases is right but I would rather not humiliate and instead discuss at home. Than again TCF has a child that was hitting from the baseline at 3 so who knows what to believe as he could be exagerating about seeing many parents pulling kids from matches often. Have you seen this method many times chalkflewup? I have'nt..

The game is about growth and how the kids figure it out. The aggresive approach Mr Baughman uses runs the risk of embarassment thus creating the possibility of self esteem issues later on. It is quite apparent that what everyone does not realize especially Mr Baughman is the mental game being the single most important ingredient for success. When you have children at a young age of course puzzles are great, why because they teach dicipline and teaches the kid to figure it out, plain and simple....If you raise your kid properly in a good environment and teach them dicipline at a young age 2-3 years, not giving them what they want, pick up after your self, etc. Good family values with parents who get along and don't fight in front of there children you wont have to worry to much later on about a hostile child. If your kid is hostile and you need to pull him countless times from a match than chances are you had too much hostility in your household growing up thus having creating a hostile child who is angry and obviously won't listen I.E. REBELLING.

Dont care for the use of self-asteem ,dont worry about it all kids have plenty of it in fact they all have to much of it ,so crushing their esteem a little is a great thing to do.

 

[TennisCoachFLA]

notennis, are you a parent? Just curious. Kids are not all or nothing, black or white. Some kids are docile off the court, maniacs on the court. Some are amazing at home and do all their chores, but act out in competition. And other kids are every possible combination of these attributes. A kid acting up on court is not about being raised right or wrong.

Pulling a kid from a match is not a humiliation. Most times not even a spectacle. A kid forgets his court manners, a parent calmly walks over and says, lets go. Most times the kids are like "Oh shoot, I forgot myself" and they walk away calmly with the parent. Its not like the kids are crying and parents yelling and dragging them for goodness sakes.

And this is the 2nd time you mentioned my kid hitting from the baseline at 3. I don't care who believes it or not because I don't think its all that special. I don't think it is a big deal, other kids have done it even younger I would think. And I don't think her hitting from the baseline at 3 means a dang thing in the big picture of tennis. She happens to be in the 90th percentile in her size, she is stronger than most kids her age so yeah she hit from the baseline sooner...so what?? I frankly don't care if my kid decides tomorrow she would rather play the drums or become a great artist. It was just mentioned in a thread concerning teaching kids. I think mini tennis was discussed. I said my kid got bored with foam balls and smaller courts very quickly and mini tennis would not work for her....other kids love it until they are 8 years old.

 

[TnsMan2]

notennis, are you a parent? Just curious. Kids are not all or nothing, black or white. Some kids are docile off the court, maniacs on the court. Some are amazing at home and do all their chores, but act out in competition. And other kids are every possible combination of these attributes. A kid acting up on court is not about being raised right or wrong.

Pulling a kid from a match is not a humiliation. Most times not even a spectacle. A kid forgets his court manners, a parent calmly walks over and says, lets go. Most times the kids are like "Oh shoot, I forgot myself" and they walk away calmly with the parent. Its not like the kids are crying and parents yelling and dragging them for goodness sakes.

And this is the 2nd time you mentioned my kid hitting from the baseline at 3. I don't care who believes it or not because I don't think its all that special. I don't think it is a big deal, other kids have done it even younger I would think. And I don't think her hitting from the baseline at 3 means a dang thing in the big picture of tennis. She happens to be in the 90th percentile in her size, she is stronger than most kids her age so yeah she hit from the baseline sooner...so what?? I frankly don't care if my kid decides tomorrow she would rather play the drums or become a great artist. It was just mentioned in a thread concerning teaching kids. I think mini tennis was discussed. I said my kid got bored with foam balls and smaller courts very quickly and mini tennis would not work for her....other kids love it until they are 8 years old.

good thought and quite accurate all i have to do is give a point of the finger to him then his bag and were gone. notennis is tenniscrazed hes trying to do what i did a couple of screen names but hes messing up by being our friends with one SN then with the other SN coming against us hes using the wrong screen name at the wrong time . JUst watch him its funny.

anyways plyometrics for your kid every 4 months

 

[notennis]

notennis, are you a parent? Just curious. Kids are not all or nothing, black or white. Some kids are docile off the court, maniacs on the court. Some are amazing at home and do all their chores, but act out in competition. And other kids are every possible combination of these attributes. A kid acting up on court is not about being raised right or wrong.

Pulling a kid from a match is not a humiliation. Most times not even a spectacle. A kid forgets his court manners, a parent calmly walks over and says, lets go. Most times the kids are like "Oh shoot, I forgot myself" and they walk away calmly with the parent. Its not like the kids are crying and parents yelling and dragging them for goodness sakes.

And this is the 2nd time you mentioned my kid hitting from the baseline at 3. I don't care who believes it or not because I don't think its all that special. I don't think it is a big deal, other kids have done it even younger I would think. And I don't think her hitting from the baseline at 3 means a dang thing in the big picture of tennis. She happens to be in the 90th percentile in her size, she is stronger than most kids her age so yeah she hit from the baseline sooner...so what?? I frankly don't care if my kid decides tomorrow she would rather play the drums or become a great artist. It was just mentioned in a thread concerning teaching kids. I think mini tennis was discussed. I said my kid got bored with foam balls and smaller courts very quickly and mini tennis would not work for her....other kids love it until they are 8 years old.

Again, up bringing has much to do with how they behave on and off the court. I used the puzzle example as a tool that is used for kids to figure out things. I am not going to debate with you TCF expecially when you side with individuals like Mr Baughman who by reading his past history of child hood it would make your skin crawl. At some point in Tennis these kids have to figure it out without holding there hand.

At least now I really know where your coming from, and I know from experience that a kid raised right can succeed in Tennis without pulling them from a match as a way of teaching a lesson. Mr Baughmans kid has been pulled 4 times, gee common sense says Mr Baughman has raised his kid wrong and dysfunctional. Any kid that needs to be pulled 4 times is rebelling, end of discussion.

BTW, your kid hitting from the baseline at 3 and now you say 2 year olds are doing it all the time is over exageration. Sure, maybe if you hand feed from 2 ft away at the baseline they might hit one out of 10 over the net but most will roll to the net. I believe your 5 year old can do this but not 2-3 year olds, sorry......

 

[notennis]

good thought and quite accurate all i have to do is give a point of the finger to him then his bag and were gone. notennis is tenniscrazed hes trying to do what i did a couple of screen names but hes messing up by being our friends with one SN then with the other SN coming against us hes using the wrong screen name at the wrong time . JUst watch him its funny.

anyways plyometrics for your kid every 4 months

Im sure he would jump up and run off the court probably because he is scared to no end of you. You manage by fear and that my friend is your problem..........As I have said before, tell the truth and the truth will set you free.....

Oh, and the only reason why you have used multiple names is because you are insecure and need to extract what you can by doing such. Your a piece of work amnd like I said before, full of bad Kharma........

 

[TnsMan2]

Again, up bringing has much to do with how they behave on and off the court. I used the puzzle example as a tool that is used for kids to figure out things. I am not going to debate with you TCF expecially when you side with individuals like Mr Baughman who by reading his past history of child hood it would make your skin crawl. At some point in Tennis these kids have to figure it out without holding there hand.

At least now I really know where your coming from, and I know from experience that a kid raised right can succeed in Tennis without pulling them from a match as a way of teaching a lesson. Mr Baughmans kid has been pulled 4 times, gee common sense says Mr Baughman has raised his kid wrong and dysfunctional. Any kid that needs to be pulled 4 times is rebelling, end of discussion.

BTW, your kid hitting from the baseline at 3 and now you say 2 year olds are doing it all the time is over exageration. Sure, maybe if you hand feed from 2 ft away at the baseline they might hit one out of 10 over the net but most will roll to the net. I believe your 5 year old can do this but not 2-3 year olds, sorry......

How many times did Safin break a racket in 05 ? probably about 15 at the least including practice maybe more , and the whole tennis world including you stupid all would agree if he "kept" it together he could have won multiple Slams.

Now if he was my kid he could have been yanked 15 x which would have proved he was super dysfunctional and according to your thinking he is from a way screwed up home .

I know I know Deiton is no safin lol

 

[TnsMan2]

Im sure he would jump up and run off the court probably because he is scared to no end of you. You manage by fear and that my friend is your problem..........As I have said before, tell the truth and the truth will set you free.....

Oh, and the only reason why you have used multiple names is because you are insecure and need to extract what you can by doing such. Your a piece of work amnd like I said before, full of bad Kharma........

your right i do manage by fear and love and whatever else will work here he is being managed by a mexican bull whip i can crack that thing while im feeding balls and TCF not even you are that good . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLGtPH4q_B4

 

[notennis]

your right i do manage by fear and love and whatever else will work here he is being managed by a mexican bull whip i can crack that thing while im feeding balls and TCF not even you are that good . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLGtPH4q_B4

I was right, you do manage by fear and from what I see on here no way through love. And if it is through love, probably too late for that. TCF is probably much like you and you guys think much the same on many topics. I think TCF is just playing reverse physcology at this point.......

 

[TnsMan2]

I was right, you do manage by fear and from what I see on here no way through love. And if it is through love, probably too late for that. TCF is probably much like you and you guys think much the same on many topics. I think TCF is just playing reverse physcology at this point.......

TCF is the one who sent me the bull whip he said he tried to use it on his 5 yr old but his tennis elbow wouldn't allow it LOL your right why use love in fact where is the car battery im going CIA style.LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[CharlieB]

I thought I would post my thoughts on watching the Junior Orange Bowl the last few weeks... Its very upseting for the Juniors who work so hard to get to the Orange Bowl only to be disquilified, but I think they have to send a message with how some of these kids are acting on and off the court.At the boys 14's tournament I thought a couple of players should have been disqualified by basicly acting like brats and cursing on the court..

I couldn't agree more... I watched the boys 12's main draw and consolations rounds, and most definitely I would have just taken a couple of kids out of the courts and the tournament. Let aside the racket flying around, but cursing, and cheating is not great for the sport. This sport like any other is not without emotions but there are limits to the displays.

On the other hands I saw a few kids who are real sports in all regards of the word. This year champion, Seongchan Hong for once, the other being Spencer Furman who came in fourth place. This year tournament was affected by the weather, as it rained out for two days. I want to believe that some of the n.s. were caused by the weather... Many players chose not to participate in the consolation draws. It was rather surprising to see all ranked latin american players loose in the first round and later not to show in the consolation rounds. Weather was gruesome for some of the latin american players who had to play in 40-50 degree weather when accustomed to playing in 90+ degrees.

All in all the tournament was a great experience. You can see the progression in the level of playing and aggressiveness between the 12's and the 14's, it's like a world apart... I'll most definitely be there next year...

Cheers,

Charlie

 

[Miami Tiburon]

I couldn't agree more... I watched the boys 12's main draw and consolations rounds, and most definitely I would have just taken a couple of kids out of the courts and the tournament. Let aside the racket flying around, but cursing, and cheating is not great for the sport. This sport like any other is not without emotions but there are limits to the displays.

On the other hands I saw a few kids who are real sports in all regards of the word. This year champion, Seongchan Hong for once, the other being Spencer Furman who came in fourth place. This year tournament was affected by the weather, as it rained out for two days. I want to believe that some of the n.s. were caused by the weather... Many players chose not to participate in the consolation draws. It was rather surprising to see all ranked latin american players loose in the first round and later not to show in the consolation rounds. Weather was gruesome for some of the latin american players who had to play in 40-50 degree weather when accustomed to playing in 90+ degrees.

All in all the tournament was a great experience. You can see the progression in the level of playing and aggressiveness between the 12's and the 14's, it's like a world apart... I'll most definitely be there next year...

Cheers,

Charlie

I only got to see the semis and Final of the boys 12's.I was at the boys 14's
for most of the week and as you know they brought the boys 12's and girls
14's semis over to U.M.It was cool to have all the matches in one place.
The heat has been brutal in Miami and that drop to the 40's and 50's was
a shock to some of the players.It was a great tournament all around starting
with the 16's and 18's at Key Biscayne

 

[TnsMan2]

I couldn't agree more... I watched the boys 12's main draw and consolations rounds, and most definitely I would have just taken a couple of kids out of the courts and the tournament. Let aside the racket flying around, but cursing, and cheating is not great for the sport. This sport like any other is not without emotions but there are limits to the displays.

On the other hands I saw a few kids who are real sports in all regards of the word. This year champion, Seongchan Hong for once, the other being Spencer Furman who came in fourth place. This year tournament was affected by the weather, as it rained out for two days. I want to believe that some of the n.s. were caused by the weather... Many players chose not to participate in the consolation draws. It was rather surprising to see all ranked latin american players loose in the first round and later not to show in the consolation rounds. Weather was gruesome for some of the latin american players who had to play in 40-50 degree weather when accustomed to playing in 90+ degrees.

All in all the tournament was a great experience. You can see the progression in the level of playing and aggressiveness between the 12's and the 14's, it's like a world apart... I'll most definitely be there next year...

Cheers,

Charlie

The sad fact is the science of psychology has for 30 plus years impregnated our society and the teachings from that religion has reduced our people to and all time low,

with the self-esteem it has said don't come down or punish or discipline any child for what they are doing wrong because you will damage them and they will struggle because of negative reinforcement so always be positive

shoot we even want to be positive with the terrorist that masterminded the Twin Towers Mr Obama say give them rights, give them carpets so they can pray to their evil religion, give them good food , "But what ever you do don't call them terrorist do not hurt their self esteem. Its everywhere

Therefore a kid throwing a racket or cussing this is a great opportunity for positive reinforcement and a great time to make him feel great about who he is but what ever you do don't punish him right their on the spot for their crime.