dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Stop spreading misinformation. Oh, and thanks for confirming what I told you in the first place — specs change. His 2022 spec is obviously different from the 2020 spec, not uncommon.
Here is his 2020 frame, unstrung, unmodified:
Karatsev Playing with a Shorty ??? (Conspiracy theory evidence)
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Here is his 2020 frame, unstrung, unmodified:
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks for sharing! It sounds like there are yet more details of this story still to be unearthed.
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McEncock
Professional
It means that he asked for a big differencial between mains and crosses.
This anecdote is interesting. His previous racquet was a prestige mid (I never knew if it was microgel Chinese one or PT10 thought)
With the black tape on top of the grip he maybe is trying to emulate the PT10 grip collar =)
This anecdote is interesting. His previous racquet was a prestige mid (I never knew if it was microgel Chinese one or PT10 thought)
With the black tape on top of the grip he maybe is trying to emulate the PT10 grip collar =)
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
It appears, based on the story and the evidence, that he asked for large differential between mains and crosses, and mentioned final strung length should be 1cm shorter than std. (its not possible to get 1cm wider hoop. When I do mains 50 lbs tighter than crosses, the racquet shortens by max of 5mm.)
It explains why many images measure about 26.6”, with the average measuring 26.7”. The racquet would lengthen slightly during play as the strings relax.
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vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
He played with the IG Prestige Mid 292.1. There was no collar on his frames. His frames on 2020 was 27 inches standard length.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks much to @Kalugin for seeking the truth.
Based on the side-by-side images posted earlier in the thread, the hoop shape of the racquet Aslan was using in the AO 21 is not significantly deformed, so the differential likely only squashed the hoop by 2-3mm max.
Hopefully we can get more clarification on the story from the stringer on how he arrived at 1cm shorter than std length.
Based on the side-by-side images posted earlier in the thread, the hoop shape of the racquet Aslan was using in the AO 21 is not significantly deformed, so the differential likely only squashed the hoop by 2-3mm max.
Hopefully we can get more clarification on the story from the stringer on how he arrived at 1cm shorter than std length.
Kalugin
Rookie
Thanks for sharing! It sounds like there are yet more details of this story still to be unearthed.
Excuse me, im a new one here, so can someone explain me what is going around here? Im writing posts and they just disappear. Where is my post about Karatsev and his stringer Gromov? Its just gone...Its not a question for you, just for all who can help. It looks like someone not interested in new people with some good information here...
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
It’s possible that your post got reported and then deleted by moderators if it contained an insult.
You are posting in the right place for details about the length of Karatsev’s AO21 racquet.
It looks like your story is still there in my post that I quoted.
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Kalugin
Rookie
Yes, you can see my post in your answering form, but my original post is deleted from this thread. Another funny thing is that this post is still alive in my own thread called «Aslan Karatsev personal racket. Secrets», but in this thread someone was interested in deleting. From answering form (when you comment on my post) you can read it once again. Is there something bad, that must be deleted? You are writing, that this is the right place to post my interesting info…after all this im not sure that this Forum is the right place…too strange things happen here
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
This is where people come when they want to learn the truth.
But not everyone can handle the truth.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Or spread fantasies
Kalugin
Rookie
Just speechless. So in fact people who empowered here, are not interested in new interesting info. And they censor this forum like North Korea do, i believe) True information can be posting only from those who has rights here, and newcomers like me should be deleted if they pretend to be interesting...
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
No, if you’re saying insulting things to other posters that’s how your post gets deleted. It’s not like Russia here.
Kalugin
Rookie
What do you mean "like Russia"?
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
@Kalugin
If you get a chance to speak with your stringer friend again, I would be interested to get clarification on the interesting stringing request.
I ask because stringing mains tighter than crosses would not shorten the racquet or widen the hoop by more than a few mm. So it is unclear what the actual dimensions were. Thanks.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
27 inches standard length. Like I told you.
@Kalugin
If you get a chance to speak with your stringer friend again, I would be interested to get clarification on the interesting stringing request.
I ask because stringing mains tighter than crosses would not shorten the racquet or widen the hoop by more than a few mm. So it is unclear what the actual dimensions were. Thanks.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
No offense, but I am more interested to hear from Gromov, the stringer who handled his racquet in 2021, than I am from you.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
I’m just stating what reality is. It’s not 26 inches like you have been saying for years now.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
And what is your source of reality?
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Karatsev Playing with a Shorty ??? (Conspiracy theory evidence)
So, who to believe - boy it sure is a toss up; those who have in all likelihood handled at least one of the actual racquets in question, or the guy relying on gleaning precise measurements from extrapolated on line images. :unsure:
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am1899
Legend
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Interestingly, the photo record does appear to show a squashed, more rounded hoop shape in Moscow 2021 (shown below as an example), but AO21 photos show normal more elongated hoop shape. All the Moscow ‘21 photos I found show a more rounded hoop shape just like in this pic.
Ignore the search bar. Photo is from Moscow not AO.
Ignore the search bar. Photo is from Moscow not AO.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Here is Post 7 recap. No hoop squashing at A021:
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Karatsev Playing with a Shorty ??? (Conspiracy theory evidence)
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oldmanyellingatcloud
Semi-Pro
for what it's worth there is no discernible squashing on this Austrian exclusive Head frame
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Nice form on the forehand volley.
for what it's worth there is no discernible squashing on this Austrian exclusive Head frame
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Having seen the video of Nadal's racquet being strung straight across - rather than starting in the center - by a French Open stringer, it would be interesting to see what sort of hoop deformation if any is detectable from online images taken of his racquet during the period in question. I suspect Babolats will break before they bend much though.
Interesting re soft heads on some Prestiges that two of my OG 600s from back in the day ended up appearing as if they were pushed in from 1 o'clock to 5 o'clock (I always hold my racquets the same way up); they weren't cracked at all, just deformed. Jack, the Head rep in Melbourne bitd, said that they'd been left in a car, which wasn't true. I eventually concluded that they'd effectively been gradually warped from me hitting the clay out of my soles, not hard, but certainly repetitively.
Interesting re soft heads on some Prestiges that two of my OG 600s from back in the day ended up appearing as if they were pushed in from 1 o'clock to 5 o'clock (I always hold my racquets the same way up); they weren't cracked at all, just deformed. Jack, the Head rep in Melbourne bitd, said that they'd been left in a car, which wasn't true. I eventually concluded that they'd effectively been gradually warped from me hitting the clay out of my soles, not hard, but certainly repetitively.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
The hoop stiffness against squashing is inversely proportional to third power of the hoop diameter.
An AeroPro is roughly 6% wider than a midplus Head, so it squashes about 20% more per unit tension difference, assuming similar material comp.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Counting on you to help find the truth.Here, this should settle it
moon shot
Hall of Fame
I'm not familiar with a xl zverev frame, could you link me to some details?
oldmanyellingatcloud
Semi-Pro
cool thread. search function works sometimes https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/some-of-the-great-players-racket-specs.555825/
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Thought it was established - that he played with 27.5" - on these boards quite some time ago; I could be wrong - hopefully vsbabolat &/or dr325i can refute or corroborate.
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jmacdaununder2
Legend
I thought it was quite unusual that any non-wood racquets could 'warp' without breaking; OTOH Babolat PDs & PAs break if folks look at them sideways.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Sascha Zverev rackets are standard lengthThought it was established - that he played with 27.5" - on these boards quite some time ago; I could be wrong - hopefully vsbabolat &/or dr325i can refute or corroborate.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Don't suppose he used 27.5" earlier in his career, before switching to TGT344.4? Pro Stock Gravity? Photographic analysis of his TK263? suggests that there is an inordinate amount of grip left above his left hand on the racquet for a mere 27"er - QED he's using an extended racquet.
Curtennis
Hall of Fame
You seriously think a thread should be deleted just because you disagree with it? That’s as much comedy in one single post as this whole entire thread has been.
Unless you’ve found a reliable source that has confirmed measurements of every single stick Karatsev has ever played with, you can’t definitively say @travlerajm is wrong. Your trust me bro argument doesn’t hold up. Yes you know Head racquets better than I know the English language, but you can’t be certain his team never lopped off a quarter of an inch once before.
Travler is at least trying to justify his claims with measurement systems that he’s also using with controls (such as Andy Murray’s racquet). Even if he’s wrong, so what? It has sparked interesting debate regarding the merit of playing with a shorty. Whole point of these forums.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Absolutely not what I am saying. However, post above mine and a few more of this sort made me say that.
The discussion about angled images “measurements” and strung racket lengths as relevant as discussion of how much Graphene is really in Head sticks…
jmacdaununder2
Legend
If you’re referring to my post above yours re Sverev it was clearly made in jest; I even inserted a ‘sneaky’ and a ‘wink’ emoji as TT doesn’t have a provision for laugh tracks. I ‘liked’ your statement that Sverev’s racquets are standard length, and have been supportive of your statements claiming first hand knowledge of Karatsev’s racquet length.
oldmanyellingatcloud
Semi-Pro
@uk_skippy talking about how he's had to stretch a particular doubles player's racquets before stringing them because they're so soft:
guessing the player in question is either Neal Skupski or Wesley Koolhof
guessing the player in question is either Neal Skupski or Wesley Koolhof
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