LostGen vs ThiemGen vs ShapsGen

tennisaddict

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The lostGen of Raonic, Nishikori, Dmitrough was the first big flop of a tennis "generation".

The ThiemGen consisting of Thiem, Goffin ,Pouille, Kyrgios, Sock, Schwartzman make Ferrer, Tsonga and Berdych think they are ATG. ThiemGen already look like they are the true heirs of the LostGen.

The ShapsGen of Shapavalov, Tsitsipas, Coric, Zverev, Rublev, Tiafoe, Khachanov seem like they will be better than the previous two lost gen.

@Meles @stringertom
 
Im(moral) Winner

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Thiem, Goffin (older than Grigor), Sock and Schwartzman are a part of "Lost Gen" if you consider 89-93 as a five year generation (Nishikori is the oldest and he was born on 29 December 1989)
 
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LostGen takes this every time. NextGen sucks ass and will continue to suck ass.
 
AlexanderTheGreat08

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ThiemGen has 4 guys inside the Top 15 , The Only reason the NextGen will do better than the LostGen and ThiemGen is because Fedal will be retired and even after that Delpo might be the one taking over the World alongside Dimitrov and Thiem(On Clay)
 
David Le

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Goffin, Schwartzman, Pouille, and Sock in my opinion are all in LostGen. Thiem is the tweener that sits between the two Gens. To me he belongs with Zverev, Kyrgios, Coric then comes Shapo, Tiafoe, Khachanov, Rublev, etc.
 
tennisaddict

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David Le said:
Goffin, Schwartzman, Pouille, and Sock in my opinion are all in LostGen. Thiem is the tweener that sits between the two Gens. To me he belongs with Zverev, Kyrgios, Coric then comes Shapo, Tiafoe, Khachanov, Rublev, etc.
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There is a 7 year gap between Shapavalov/Tsitsipas and Thiem.

Zverev, Coric, Khachanov and Shapo, Tiafoe , Tsitsipas go together
 
WhiskeyEE

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David Le said:
Goffin, Schwartzman, Pouille, and Sock in my opinion are all in LostGen. Thiem is the tweener that sits between the two Gens. To me he belongs with Zverev, Kyrgios, Coric then comes Shapo, Tiafoe, Khachanov, Rublev, etc.
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Coric is younger than Khachanov.
 
prairiegirl

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stringertom said:
#TrustTheProgress (TM)

This time last year, Tsitsipas lost 1R at the Francavilla Challenger to Alessandro Giannessi. Tomorrow he plays Rafael Nadal in the ATP500 Barcelona Open final.

Nuff said!
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In addition, last year at this time, Denis was still in Futures tournaments and hadn't even gone through the qualys in Montreal or NY. Enough said!
 
prairiegirl

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tennisaddict said:
There is a 7 year gap between Shapavalov/Tsitsipas and Thiem.

Zverev, Coric, Khachanov and Shapo, Tiafoe , Tsitsipas go together
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In my opinion, here is the future top ten (in no particular order): Coric, Chung, Tiafoe, Shapovalov, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Rublev, Khachnakov, Auger-Alliasime, and 1 other I can't think of, LOL. Thiem may also be there?
 
tennisaddict

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prairiegirl said:
In my opinion, here is the future top ten (in no particular order): Coric, Chung, Tiafoe, Shapovalov, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Rublev, Khachnakov, Auger-Alliasime, and 1 other I can't think of, LOL. Thiem may also be there?
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Thiem will suck big time on HC

Like Rafa, he has to accumulate points on clay and build a big lead
 
stringertom

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prairiegirl said:
In addition, last year at this time, Denis was still in Futures tournaments and hadn't even gone through the qualys in Montreal or NY. Enough said!
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A bit inaccurate there...Denis was already well into a cycle of competing at Challenger level a year ago and mixing in occasional ATP qualies and MD WCs. His last two Futures were the ones in Canada leading up to the Drummondville'17 Challenger in early March. This time last year he was at the Tallahassee Challenger, his fourth successive tournament at that level.
 
Plamen1234

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The ShapsGen should be the most successful.The Lost Gen never managed to get past Federer,Nadal and Djokovic - something the ShapGen doesnt need to do.They will just wait few years.Once Federer and Nadal retires it is their turn.
 
Purplemonster

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prairiegirl said:
In my opinion, here is the future top ten (in no particular order): Coric, Chung, Tiafoe, Shapovalov, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Rublev, Khachnakov, Auger-Alliasime, and 1 other I can't think of, LOL. Thiem may also be there?
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You are probably right and that is very sad. Excluding Shapovalov and Tsitsipas extremely boring games. Some pretty boring personalities as well. The sport is doomed.
 
Meles

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tennisaddict said:
The lostGen of Raonic, Nishikori, Dmitrough was the first big flop of a tennis "generation".

The ThiemGen consisting of Thiem, Goffin ,Pouille, Kyrgios, Sock, Schwartzman make Ferrer, Tsonga and Berdych think they are ATG. ThiemGen already look like they are the true heirs of the LostGen.

The ShapsGen of Shapavalov, Tsitsipas, Coric, Zverev, Rublev, Tiafoe, Khachanov seem like they will be better than the previous two lost gen.

@Meles @stringertom
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I like your groupings based on when players emerged so putting Goffin out of lostGen good. Players 30 and up right now are geriatric or borderline. Delpo and Cilic are LostGen in my mind as they both are still 29 years old. That gives a couple slams to that group and both fit the name with injuries and drug ban derailing their careers.

Its a little hard to group the bottom two when its a continuum with Thiem and Zverev 3.5 years apart, but Zverev really emerging not much than a year later than Thiem.

LostGen is a huge flop so far, but they should be winning in the current environment and Delpo and Cilic are getting results, though I think Cryic may be dropping with any luck. They must do something this year or next at the latest. Cilic could goat at Wimbledon and Delpo for the US Open.

ThiemGen really may just be Thiem.:confused: Pouille seems to be stalling near the top ten. Kyrgios has been getting worse with injuries rather than better. Goffin needs to stay healthy and progress on serve just a bit more to start going deeper at slams, but really for him and Schwartzman it comes down to no serve, no slams.

NextGen will do well for sure, but only Zverev is the sure fire slam winner. I'm looking for matchup issues as these players face each other more and more. Tsitsipas just beating Thiem on clay is an ominous sign for Thiem's long term RG hopes.

For me the only player with a chance at double digit slams is Zverev out of this whole group. Players like Shapo and FAA are pure speculation at their age. I really like Thiem and the NextGen still a lot on paper. We really could be going into a very wide open era. I like the depth of talent in NextGen a ton as I just don't recall so many prospects coming up together since perhaps the techaided Americans in the late 80's and early 90's. Everything is cloulded right now when you have an 800 pound gorilla still lording over clay and Fed now dominant at two majors with the suddenly faster Auz Open. US Open hard court series may be where the initial breakthroughs come and of course clay also rans to Nadal. Let's face it, Thiem would have won a lot of big titles last year if Nadal had not been in his way.o_O
 
Meles

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David Le said:
Goffin, Schwartzman, Pouille, and Sock in my opinion are all in LostGen. Thiem is the tweener that sits between the two Gens. To me he belongs with Zverev, Kyrgios, Coric then comes Shapo, Tiafoe, Khachanov, Rublev, etc.
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Well Pouille is six months younger than Thiem. Frankly Schwartzman just emerged at the top of the game one year ago, Pouille two years ago, Thiem 3 years ago, Zverev 2 years ago. Goffin also is a late bloomer so I kind of like not having him in with LostGen. We have players like Krajinovic already age 26 who are just surfacing at age 26.

All the above being said at some point you have to go with age and it does appear that all the players you have labelled as LostGen may indeed have peaked for the most part or at least I agree won't make a big leap forward at this point. This is Thiem's last big growth year on clay and he's had a fractured ankle which may end up clobbering his ranking if he can't make the finals at RG this year and 50/50 he'll be in Nadal's half and 1 in 8 chances they clash in QF. Thiem may be forced into redeeming his year on hard courts.:confused:
 
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It's pretty clear the guys currently aged 17-20 will win more slams than those aged 21-28...If that's the benchmark.
 
AlexanderTheGreat08

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Meles said:
I like your groupings based on when players emerged so putting Goffin out of lostGen good. Players 30 and up right now are geriatric or borderline. Delpo and Cilic are LostGen in my mind as they both are still 29 years old. That gives a couple slams to that group and both fit the name with injuries and drug ban derailing their careers.

Its a little hard to group the bottom two when its a continuum with Thiem and Zverev 3.5 years apart, but Zverev really emerging not much than a year later than Thiem.

LostGen is a huge flop so far, but they should be winning in the current environment and Delpo and Cilic are getting results, though I think Cryic may be dropping with any luck. They must do something this year or next at the latest. Cilic could goat at Wimbledon and Delpo for the US Open.

ThiemGen really may just be Thiem.:confused: Pouille seems to be stalling near the top ten. Kyrgios has been getting worse with injuries rather than better. Goffin needs to stay healthy and progress on serve just a bit more to start going deeper at slams, but really for him and Schwartzman it comes down to no serve, no slams.

NextGen will do well for sure, but only Zverev is the sure fire slam winner. I'm looking for matchup issues as these players face each other more and more. Tsitsipas just beating Thiem on clay is an ominous sign for Thiem's long term RG hopes.

For me the only player with a chance at double digit slams is Zverev out of this whole group. Players like Shapo and FAA are pure speculation at their age. I really like Thiem and the NextGen still a lot on paper. We really could be going into a very wide open era. I like the depth of talent in NextGen a ton as I just don't recall so many prospects coming up together since perhaps the techaided Americans in the late 80's and early 90's. Everything is cloulded right now when you have an 800 pound gorilla still lording over clay and Fed now dominant at two majors with the suddenly faster Auz Open. US Open hard court series may be where the initial breakthroughs come and of course clay also rans to Nadal. Let's face it, Thiem would have won a lot of big titles last year if Nadal had not been in his way.o_O
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Delpo and Cilic are not LostGen , Both of them are turning 30 this year
 
Meles

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AlexanderTheGreat08 said:
Delpo and Cilic are not LostGen , Both of them are turning 30 this year
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Well that puts them in with the geriatrics and geriatric pigeons group. To me both still have some mileage left in their game despite a fairly early emergence. They are not completely gone like Djokovic, Murray, and Stan. I think you have to lump then in LostGen and as I said the moniker kind of fits their careers. There is a large borderline group with Fognini somewhat resurgent through into this year, RBA doing well at age 30. Even Mannarino is still just 29. To me they all fall into LostGen as they were essentially eclipsed by the Big 4, but now may be their time.

TA has some good groupings to my mind, but you can't just chop out Cilic and Delpo into their own club. For me they are still lost gen because time remains for further glory.
 
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