Murray and Butorac pose with women who take off their clothes for living

jmsx521

Hall of Fame
I find it pathetic that they find pride in that... I mean all four of them, Murray, Butorac and the two dummies... I mean bunnies.
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/gallery/
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Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Dude look at them. That has to be a huge thrill, those guys look like the only thing they do besides tennis is play Warcraft.
 

Hewitt Aussie

Professional
Yeah, right now i wish i was them. I mean dude, the one on the rights hooters are POPPIN out. and the one on the left. Man i am jealus.
 

Duzza

Legend
What's pathetic about it sorry? The tournament was held at the mansion and was for diabetes if I can read right.
 

punch

Semi-Pro
LOL I thought you meant in an actual shoot when i read the title...

I don't see nothing wrong with getting a picture with a few playmates ~
 

Deuce

Banned
Not being a hormone driven teenager, I can see the OP's point from the perspective of it being questionable for the ATP to actively promote such things, as the influence on kids can be negative.

As ethical standards are being lowered by the day, North American culture is very much mainstreaming all forms of pornography - and that's just really bad news for easily influenced and vulnerable kids.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
definitely nothing wrong with wanting to pose with hot girls...but that doesn't really look like murray

That's Jaime Murray, Andy's older brother, who's a doubles specialist on the ATP Tour usually with Eric Butorac, an American from a small D-III college in Minnesota. They won the doubles title at the SAP Open this year.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Not being a hormone driven teenager, I can see the OP's point from the perspective of it being questionable for the ATP to actively promote such things, as the influence on kids can be negative.

As ethical standards are being lowered by the day, North American culture is very much mainstreaming all forms of pornography - and that's just really bad news for easily influenced and vulnerable kids.

I don't see anything "pornographic" about the images shown. Images of similar content could have been shown 35 or 40 years ago...there is nothing here that is new or worse than we've seen in decades past.

Kids are not the quite weak, fragile, unthinking beings that you make them out to be. I think the nation's youth will survive these photos with Murray, et al., just as they have in decades past. There are worse things to get your panties in a knot over.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
I don't see anything "pornographic" about the images shown. Images of similar content could have been shown 35 or 40 years ago...there is nothing here that is new or worse than we've seen in decades past.

Kids are not the quite weak, fragile, unthinking beings that you make them out to be. I think the nation's youth will survive these photos with Murray, et al., just as they have in decades past. There are worse things to get your panties in a knot over.
I'm with Phil on this one. If having your picture taken with attractive women was a crime, death row would be a LOT more crowded. Hef and Playboy Enterprises has been a patron of tennis for decades.

If ATP players were making 'girls gone wild' videos with inebriated girls, I might buy Deuce's and the OP's stance.

Beauty (even when surgically enhanced) is a commodity, just like oil and gold. Always had been, always will be.
 

christos_liaskos

Professional
I don't see anything "pornographic" about the images shown. Images of similar content could have been shown 35 or 40 years ago...there is nothing here that is new or worse than we've seen in decades past.

Kids are not the quite weak, fragile, unthinking beings that you make them out to be. I think the nation's youth will survive these photos with Murray, et al., just as they have in decades past. There are worse things to get your panties in a knot over.

I think maybe you misundrestood what Deuce was trying to say, or atleast I interpreted it differently.

The picture itself definitely does not promote pornography in any way. The fact that they are 'bunnies' does. If a kid reads this article and then wonders to them self 'what is playboy?' 'what are playmates and bonnies?' etc etc. They then google it and then unintentionally, the ATP has introduced that child to a world that most of us would not want those kids to be seeing.

Leaving the issue of children to one side, I dont think there is anything else wrong with the picture or article. The fact that they were raising money and the event was for a good corse is something that adults can understand and appreciatte. A kid however will google 'playboy' and the charity side of it goes out of the window because most kids arent smart enough to appreciate what the event was about. They will just see naked women and thats it.

Also like to add I turned 19 only a few days ago so there are definitely plenty of hormones flying around in me haha, I think this gives me a pretty good perspective as to how a younger person may view or interpret it but I am also mature enough to see why it could be a problem.
 
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What, exactly, is wrong with Playboy?

These women are paid good money to pose nude, they consent to it willingly, they enjoy what they do, and they aren't abused or manipulated in anyway. Why is that something to be ashamed of?

I'm tired of double standards regarding sexuality.
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
PC Police alert.
Dear god they are just posing with a couple of sexy women. Big freaking deal that they are playboy bunnies, no different than Hawaiian Tropic shoots, Maxim, or FHM.
Don't like it then do not post the picture.
 

christos_liaskos

Professional
What, exactly, is wrong with Playboy?

These women are paid good money to pose nude, they consent to it willingly, they enjoy what they do, and they aren't abused or manipulated in anyway. Why is that something to be ashamed of?

I'm tired of double standards regarding sexuality.

You are mature enough to see all that but would you really want your child to see that article, and because of it they decide to google it. Do you want your child looking at pornography? Whether it the women enjoy what they do or are manipulated or not?

First off, I was probably with you, I didnt see anything wrong with it and on the face off it therre isnt. But it is giving publicity to a world which I am guessing most people dont want their kids to be in contact with and this publicity is available to everyone, thats the problem with it.
 
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spt

Rookie
The caption on the ATP site says "Jamie Murray & Eric Butorac pay a visit to the Playboy Mansion for an exhibition match for the Merchants of Tennis/Monty Hall Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Diabetes Tennis Tournament."

So they were there for what I am guessing was for a charity event. Different promotional reasons for having the picture on the site than Murray and Butorac are just hanging out, trying to pick up women and the ATP putting th esensational shot on thier site.
 

Ross K

Legend
Babolat Alliance employees!

I need to inform everybody that the females pictured, Ingabor and Greta, are in fact employees of the Babolat Alliance. The afforementioned are actually Swedish masseurs, and they regularly tend the needs of Babolat Alliance top brass (although, for a variety of slightly unclear reasons, on this occasion they were merely socializing with the 2 non-Babolatian tennis players.) Suffice to say, not long after this photo was taken, the two players in question were left temporarilly devoid of any movement whatsoever except for two rather broad smiles.

Btw, for those who might happen to enjoy the attentions of a team of Swedish masseurs, may I suggest people take a peak inside 'This is the Babolat Alliance calling!'...

Btw2, new members receive special ceremonial Babolat racquets (handcrafted by goblins), as well as a free 'Rubber Kim' (as in Lady Kim of Clijsters)...

Btw3, new members DO have to undergo the small matter of a Babolat Alliance crest tattoo upon the left buttock... but hey! That's nothing compared to the other new member's ritual which, er, we won't be discussing now!...
 

jmsx521

Hall of Fame
definitely nothing wrong with wanting to pose with hot girls...
Yeah, I agree... aside from their profession, taking-off their clothes for living.... And perhaps even sleeping with the owner... not that they are really attracted to him, but because he is rich and famous.

Imagine if you are the parents of the two women and you find out that your daughter will be taking off her clothes for living... "nothing wrong" with that?

Imagine if you are the wife/girlfriend of the tennis players and you find out that your husband/boyfriend is taking pictures with women who take-off their clothes for living... "nothing wrong" with that?

I think you're just jealous. ;)
You mean proud for not melting in front of women whose profession is to take-off their clothes for living and proud for not accepting Playboy as an American icon, as most people have done so?

From the website: "Jamie Murray & Eric Butorac pay a visit to the Playboy Mansion for an exhibition match for the Merchants of Tennis/Monty Hall Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Diabetes Tennis Tournament" Wow, where have I been? Now, your pornography money supports Diabetes?! How about the presidential elections... any pornography money going to support a candidate? AIDS... any pornography money going to support the defeat of AIDS?
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I agree... aside from their profession, taking-off their clothes for living.... And perhaps even sleeping with the owner... not that they are really attracted to him, but because he is rich and famous.

Imagine if you are the parents of the two women and you find out that your daughter will be taking off her clothes for living... "nothing wrong" with that?

Imagine if you are the wife/girlfriend of the tennis players and you find out that your husband/boyfriend is taking pictures with women who take-off their clothes for living... "nothing wrong" with that?

You mean proud for not melting in front of women whose profession is to take-off their clothes for living and proud for not accepting Playboy as an American icon, as most people have done so?

From the website: "Jamie Murray & Eric Butorac pay a visit to the Playboy Mansion for an exhibition match for the Merchants of Tennis/Monty Hall Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Diabetes Tennis Tournament" Wow, where have I been? Now, your pornography money supports Diabetes?! How about the presidential elections... any pornography money going to support a candidate? AIDS... any pornography money going to support the defeat of AIDS?

Thanks for commenting now please go back to your pulpit reverend
 

Frodo Baggins

Semi-Pro
If My Memory Serves me Correctly:confused: Wasn't there a Atp Player Doing Somthing like This A Few Years back?? Now Who Was it?? Anyone wanna help me out here???
 

GRANITECHIEF

Hall of Fame
Booty has a hand full of booty. Players go to the Playboy mansion every year. Its probably fun, especially if its charitible.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
If nude modeling were going to lead to the demise of planet Earth, it would have happened a VERY LONG time ago. When properly maintained, the human body is artwork.

I find it ironic that this 'story' hits the day that Michael Vick is indicted for charges related to dog fighting - pathetic. If this is the worst activity players of our sport partake in, we've got it pretty good. The NFL should be ashamed that one of theirs is AGAIN charged with (I know innocent until...blah, blah, blah) a disgusting crime.
 

Eviscerator

Banned
Not being a hormone driven teenager, I can see the OP's point from the perspective of it being questionable for the ATP to actively promote such things, as the influence on kids can be negative.

As ethical standards are being lowered by the day, North American culture is very much mainstreaming all forms of pornography - and that's just really bad news for easily influenced and vulnerable kids.

Well said

Kids are not the quite weak, fragile, unthinking beings that you make them out to be. I think the nation's youth will survive these photos .

I understand your point as well. I guess the trick is not condoning the actions of the women in the pornography business while still being gracious for a photo. The fact that the ATP tour would promote it is what is probably at issue. Then again, the organization is only as strong as the personnel responsible for its content. They might not see anything wrong with Playboy bunnies, even though I doubt many people aspire to have their daughters take off their cloths for a living. As two young pros they probably enjoyed the chance to meet these girls hoping for a good time if they hit it off. The ATP putting the picture on the website is another issue.
BTW- Is the photo on the right photo-shopped? It looks like one of the girls breasts are spilling out, and something is covering the exposed nipple area.
 

Frodo Baggins

Semi-Pro
ok my two cents..Aint it Funny That in odds an ends Theres a thread about Carmen An Pamela..An Posters said thier fake an plastic An I don't like them..An Here In This thread you have the same thing...Except Posters here Are Going GA Ga Over thier Bodys..:confused: So Whats the Diffrence Between the two threads???..Answer not much...So Horny Guys In This thread>GET A CLUE!!!
 

jmsx521

Hall of Fame
Ok, you're all right, I must've lived in a cave or something. :confused: Pornography has become quite respected business... no wonder it's a billion dollar industry: all of your dollars must be going into it! The entertainment business supports it and nowadays everything has become entertainment (not to mention even the news, which was supposed to be journalism at one time).

One day if I have children, I will make sure to let them know that there is nothing wrong with taking your clothes off for money. And one day I'll point to a woman (who is barely wearing anything on her chest so that she purposely attracts attention, because that's how she makes her living) and tell my son: Now son, that is an example woman.... That is someone you should look forward to spend your life with!

Apparently I learned it wrong when I was young; I should blame my parents for it now. I thought it wasn't something that was respected then. :( They should rewrite the school books too and let kids know pornography is OK.
 
Not being a hormone driven teenager, I can see the OP's point from the perspective of it being questionable for the ATP to actively promote such things, as the influence on kids can be negative.

As ethical standards are being lowered by the day, North American culture is very much mainstreaming all forms of pornography - and that's just really bad news for easily influenced and vulnerable kids.


What country are you from in the first place? Where my home is its a profession legally just like any other, along with prostitution as well. It's quite strictly regulated and governed in its way. Not everyone does it, not every one approves of it either, but its the person's choice so why get upset about it. So why not pose with them?

Just personally I think the attitude by many North Americans have that because they view things a certain way, no one else should do it, or there should be laws made against it, or its negatively influencing children. I think encouraging children to avoid certain people because of their personal beliefs or choices is incorrect. Edcuating them about a range of possibilities IMO is better.

North American media on all boards show more violence, killings, psychologically disturbing images on day time TV that can severely adversely affect children than equating those who make a living by 'removing their clothes' as ones who should be avoid. They allow video games showing graphic violence, blood, etc. which though it has a rating on it, often the parents buy for their children anyway or they get a hold of it.

Since ATP is an international association of men's tennis I don't see why they should have to conform to one country's conservative view of things. However, they might have started and be based in North America, I don't know but I see no reason why it should be considered pathetic or incorrect.

Imposing one's own religious and conservative views on certain topics is intolerant I believe, and one of the main reasons why there is so much strife in the world, so much discrimination. Exaggeration over certain topics is another other.
 
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BiGGieStuFF

Hall of Fame
What country are you from in the first place? Where my home is its a profession legally just like any other, along with prostitution as well. It's quite strictly regulated and governed in its way. Not everyone does it, not every one approves of it either, but its the person's choice so why get upset about it. So why not pose with them?

Just personally I think the attitude by many North Americans have that because they view things a certain way, no one else should do it, or there should be laws made against it, or its negatively influencing children. I think encouraging children to avoid certain people because of their personal beliefs or choices is incorrect. Edcuating them about a range of possibilities IMO is better.

North American media on all boards show more violence, killings, psychologically disturbing images on day time TV that can severely adversely affect children than equating those who make a living by 'removing their clothes' as ones who should be avoid. They allow video games showing graphic violence, blood, etc. which though it has a rating on it, often the parents buy for their children anyway or they get a hold of it.

Since ATP is an international association of men's tennis I don't see why they should have to conform to one country's conservative view of things. However, they might have started and be based in North America, I don't know but I see no reason why it should be considered pathetic or incorrect.

Imposing one's own religious and conservative views on certain topics is intolerant I believe, and one of the main reasons why there is so much strife in the world, so much discrimination. Exaggeration over certain topics is another other.

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A photo of two women with bikini tops on, stomaches exposed, etc. is promoting sex? You got that out of my message? Curious. Tolerance and less exaggeration was my message. But if that's what you got out of it, its where you mind led? Mine didn't lead to sex just seeing the woman, though they were beautiful and attractive to be sure. To each his own....would be nice.
 
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BiGGieStuFF

Hall of Fame
A photo of two women with bikini tops on, stomaches exposed, etc. is promoting sex? You got that out of my message? Curious. Tolerance and less exaggeration was my message. But if that's what you got out of it, its where you mind led? Mine didn't lead to sex just seeing the woman, though they were beautiful and attractive to be sure. To each his own....would be nice.

Actually I don't find anything wrong with the picture but I was just more or less commenting on your statement about american media showing more violence on TV.

If I had a choice I think I'd rather watch sexually stimulating content over the dark and grim stories our media is always feeding us.

Also as someone said before this was a photo from an event that was for a good cause.
 
Stimmt. Agreed really. It's just comparative to my view. Not excusing any perceived wrongdoing elsewhere, but it's many worse things no one says anything or very little about in complaint yet two great looking ladies at a worthy event?
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
One day if I have children, I will make sure to let them know that there is nothing wrong with taking your clothes off for money. And one day I'll point to a woman (who is barely wearing anything on her chest so that she purposely attracts attention, because that's how she makes her living) and tell my son: Now son, that is an example woman.... That is someone you should look forward to spend your life with!

Be sure to tell this to Jimmy Connors & his family(he's been happily married to a Playboy playmate for 25 years & has 2 children)
I'm sure he'd be interested in your assesment of his wife's character as well, since you've made some pretty broad generalizations about anyone who has posed nude. And I'm guessing his daughter isn't pole dancing somewhere, so maybe all playmates aren't horrible people/parents with no values like you seem to think.

You really should get out more, I see many women around town(esp during the summer) who dress similarly to the women in that picture who most likely aren't in the 'pornography' business. Maybe we should make women dress like they do in muslim countries, so kids can be protected by those evil breasts. And stay away from any fashion magazines, or national geographic, I hear that breasts occasionally appear in there as well.
 

boobik2371

Semi-Pro
I'm surprised Safin wasn't around haha. I'm pretty sure that a vast majority of the male population wouldn't mind playing tennis/lounging around in the playboy mansion
 

saram

Legend
Yeah, I agree... aside from their profession, taking-off their clothes for living.... And perhaps even sleeping with the owner... not that they are really attracted to him, but because he is rich and famous.

Imagine if you are the parents of the two women and you find out that your daughter will be taking off her clothes for living... "nothing wrong" with that?

Imagine if you are the wife/girlfriend of the tennis players and you find out that your husband/boyfriend is taking pictures with women who take-off their clothes for living... "nothing wrong" with that?

You mean proud for not melting in front of women whose profession is to take-off their clothes for living and proud for not accepting Playboy as an American icon, as most people have done so?

From the website: "Jamie Murray & Eric Butorac pay a visit to the Playboy Mansion for an exhibition match for the Merchants of Tennis/Monty Hall Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Diabetes Tennis Tournament" Wow, where have I been? Now, your pornography money supports Diabetes?! How about the presidential elections... any pornography money going to support a candidate? AIDS... any pornography money going to support the defeat of AIDS?


Um, imagine being none of the above that you mentioned--but imagine being the woman posing in the image. She has every right to choose what she does for a living--that is the wonderful thing about this country and this world--people being able to decide and choose for themselves.

Now, if it offends you--then don't look. I mean just turn the darn page and move on. If it offends thee so much, then why take the time to download and upload the image? Why spend your time discussing it so heavily. I understand your thoughts and rights to not wanting the woman's body exposed--but it is generally done in private and viewed only by those wanting to view it.

DATING is like prostitution--I mean we blokes spend a ton of cash just to court a woman during the first few dates.

btw...any more images? would love to view your point further....;)
 

TennezSport

Hall of Fame
Hold on there

You are mature enough to see all that but would you really want your child to see that article, and because of it they decide to google it. Do you want your child looking at pornography? Whether it the women enjoy what they do or are manipulated or not?

First off, I was probably with you, I didnt see anything wrong with it and on the face off it therre isnt. But it is giving publicity to a world which I am guessing most people dont want their kids to be in contact with and this publicity is available to everyone, thats the problem with it.

There is nothing pornagraphic about that photo. As a matter of fact most young kids that would see this would not even react to it. European and other societies children see topless women all their lives and have no problem with it, as it is natural to them.

This is the problem with US people who still have their head up there *sses regarding the natural body. We have turned a natural thing into a pornagraphic thing with our closed mindedness. I can only hope that we grow out of it and stop creating problems where there are none. This is why we have priests chasing little boys and one of the highest rape rates in the world. It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature.

TennezSport :cool:
 

keithchircop

Professional
Imagine if you are the wife/girlfriend of the tennis players and you find out that your husband/boyfriend is taking pictures with women who take-off their clothes for living... "nothing wrong" with that?

NOTHING wrong with that. you make that stupid photo sound like a sex sandwich.
 
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