My new BOX / ATW pattern with pictures
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Irvin
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Here we go again. LOL
When stringing 2 piece I weave 1 ahead and my primary reason for doing that is to avoid hard weaves. If you’re using stiff string the untensioned string above the one you’re weaving an distort so is you want the full benefit of the last tensioned string to soften up you weave you can pull the untensioned string up against the last tensioned string. The closer you get your weave to the tensioned string above the untensioned string the easier the weave. I have found that it is easier for me to weave up the racket (toward the last tensioned string) if I’m weaving from L->R. That weave could be ran in either direction, but the closer it is to the last tensioned String the easier it is to weave. I prefer to always go from L->R.
Your normal hard weave when stringing an ATW pattern is when you’re stringing a cross that is opposite the bottom crossover string. If the crossover string is odd weaving even strings is harder. How hard the weave is depends how how close you’re weave relative to the last tensioned even string stringing 1 ahead. If the crossover string is even weaving odd strings is harder. I can easily cross over on an even or odd string no matter how many crosses there are in the racket. I do not have to use the bottom cross. But there are times when that creates others issues and rules you have to remember so you don’t end up wasting a complete set of string. I wanted simple. I wanted a way of reversing the direction of the string in the racket.
There are several ways to reverse the direction of you cross strings By stringing the top cross, not stringing a top cross, string 2 crosses, etc. but I wanted a simpler method. That’s when I starting putting the SS on different sides. If the SS is on the right the outer mains, top, and bottom crosses are strung clockwise looking at the face of the racket. If the SS is on the left those same string are strung in the opposite direction or counter clockwise.
When the SS is on the right the LS is on the left and the first cross I weave (2nd cross) and all other even crosses, are strung L->R. On a racket with an odd number of crosses even crosses (The harder ones) are strung L->R by putting the SS on the right. I have the reverse of all that if I have an even number of crosses. When stringing a racket with an even number of crosses I put the SS on the left to reverse every string except the center mains. That is my reasoning for switching the SS.
Now there’s another issue you can run into, blocked holes. I like to pre-weave the 2nd and 3rd Crosses with the long side before I block any holes with the clamp down and out of the way. I’ll also use a starting clamp on the last main at the bottom of the frame because I believe starting clamps at the top can cause other issues. I also need both machine clamps to do my box or ATW.
The final issue concerns how you like to weave your crosses. Some like to go under the first outer main. I prefer to go over. If you’re using the long side for your box or ATW it’s hard (for some) to determine if they need to go over or under at the first main you encounter. The first time you cross a main with a cross determines how all other intersections are done. If I starting up at the top of the racket stringing the 2nd cross it is easy for me to get my weave pattern right.
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If you have an odd number of crosses put the SS on the right and vice versa. Everything else handles itself. ATW patterns should not and can not be used all the time. I use this 1 pattern and no other. If I can’t string with this pattern I string 2 piece.
I like to weave under/ over, as that makes the last weave going over that end main, and makes placing the string end through the grommet easier, and therefore less time stringing.
I'm sure you have a reason for doing the opposite, and I'm afraid that I shouldn't ask why.
I give up on understanding s.s on one side over other.
I'm sure you have a reason for doing the opposite, and I'm afraid that I shouldn't ask why.
I give up on understanding s.s on one side over other.
Irvin
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When I push the string in the grommet hole with my right hand I use my left hand Fingers to weave the 1st-3rd mains. So the first main I start weaving is the fourth. No reason just preference and how I’ve been doing it for decades. This does answer another question though about the weave. O/U or vice versa does not matter.
Post #9 in this thread:
That's all this is. Irvin struggles (not you, @struggle) to weave from R->L, so has decided that the rest of us must do too.
Bottom line, if the racquet is symmetrical, the SS doesn't matter.
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That's all this is. Irvin struggles (not you, @struggle) to weave from R->L, so has decided that the rest of us must do too.
Bottom line, if the racquet is symmetrical, the SS doesn't matter.
Irvin
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Not true I can weave the “hard weave” in either direction. Although I do admit L->R feels more natural or easier. I want the method of weaving to be the same no matter what the pattern is.
That's not what you said at the start now, is it? What you said was:
Glad we've put that falsehood to rest.
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The video is similar to the ATW pattern I use. I always try to make sure there is enough frame to support the tension of the string around that area. Consequently, I often use the SS to string the top 2 or 3 crosses. This gives plenty of frame to support the tension place on it. Yes, hard weaves can be a pain, especially with poly and as you get near the end of the stringjob, but I'm used to it now. I learned it back in the 80's from a Kennex technical advisor after I broke my Composite Dominator. He walked me through this box pattern and said that rackets that are oblong should be strung this way. The box pattern pulls tension on the 4 corner areas of the racket and help support it during stringing.
Irvin
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@Wes you did not use a short side ATW pattern you used a long side ATW, but that does not really matter. Also you had ample string to weave the 18th 1 ahead, but that would not change the weave either would it?
Had you pre-weaved the 2nd cross before tensioning the 1st and 19th crosses the 2nd cross wouldn’t have been a hard weave.
Had you pre-weaved the 2nd cross before tensioning the 1st and 19th crosses the 2nd cross wouldn’t have been a hard weave.
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@Wes - you have far more dedication than I. Nice video. I think that’s the best camera angle I’ve seen to illustrate a hard weave. And I did enjoy the flipping of the racquet.
@Irvin - before you attempt to divert this thread down the path of what constitutes a hard weave, you’d do well to remember that the primary point being illustrated was that it does not matter whether the SS is on the left or right. I would hope that you will no longer continue to argue so.
@Irvin - before you attempt to divert this thread down the path of what constitutes a hard weave, you’d do well to remember that the primary point being illustrated was that it does not matter whether the SS is on the left or right. I would hope that you will no longer continue to argue so.
Irvin
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I’m not diverting this thread. I was trying to show my short side ATW. Wes was using a long side ATW and purposely created hard weaves even though they could have been avoided. I have admitted it does not matter how you go about the ATW. It also does not matter if you go left to right or right to left. If you’re weaving opposite the bottom cross you can have hard weaves. Even in post #60 I said it does not matter. Do you have a point or just trolling?
Yes, I do have a point: on a symmetrical racquet, it doesn’t make a difference whether the SS is on the right or left. That was the point that *all* of us were arguing with you. You’ve finally admitted it in post to #63. I’m delighted it has been cleared up and that we’re all in agreement.
You can be a funny guy.
Funny thing.
That video isn't truly GREAT at showing the hard weaves. Actually, that video was the 2nd one I did.
In the 1st video, I had placed drinking straws on a number of the mains in the center.
Then, once the 1st & 19th cross had been tensioned, you could REALLY see the hard weaves (because the drinking straws, being larger diameter, makes the effect of the high mains/low mains much more pronounced/obvious).
Nonetheless, I decided that 1st video was way too wordy and not nearly concise enough. It's like 37 minutes long, and I knew nobody was going to sit through all that.
I did not purposely "create" hard weaves. The hard weave is there due to the pattern - not me.
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Amen.
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