Nadal FO win over Federer vital

[JackGates]

He doesn't have most peak for peak. Novak won 4 in a row. Fed did an absurd 10 in like 3 years..... Nadal hasn't even gotten to 4 slam finals in one year. Yes really FINALS.... not wins FINALS

More important peak for peak Nadal went 0-7, 0-7 vs his main rival

But the thing is this, why can't Rafa's clay greatness compensate for his failures away from clay?
I mean if Fed had 15 W titles and just 1 AO title, I don't think people would use that against him.

Once you win career slam and make a few GS finals at all slams, I don't think the surface argument is valid anymore. It's not like Nadal has 0 USO and 0 AO and 0 finals like Pete at the FO.

 

[Pantera]

But Fed has more USOs than Rafa has AOs.
Fed also has more AOs than Rafa has USOs.

Also, that's why we admit RAfa is the clay goat, so nobody is denying that Rafa is better on clay than Fed is on grass, so who are you even talking too?

Yes so we agree Roland Garros was vital as had Nadal not won there then yesterday would be huge in terms of bragging rights. But for now Nadal is better on clay on american hard and clay. Problem is for Federer nowhere is he King as its Djokovic on grass (if he wins tomorrow) and asian hard.

 

[Pantera]

He doesn't have most peak for peak. Novak won 4 in a row. Fed did an absurd 10 in like 3 years..... Nadal hasn't even gotten to 4 slam finals in one year. Yes really FINALS.... not wins FINALS

More important peak for peak Nadal went 0-7, 0-7 vs his main rival

Dude in each others peak era Nadal has 18 majors Djokovic 15..soon to be 16 i think, and Federer 7.

I like Federer but 13 of his majors were not in peak era of Nadal and Djokovic.

 

[Pantera]

But the thing is this, why can't Rafa's clay greatness compensate for his failures away from clay?
I mean if Fed had 15 W titles and just 1 AO title, I don't think people would use that against him.

Once you win career slam and make a few GS finals at all slams, I don't think the surface argument is valid anymore. It's not like Nadal has 0 USO and 0 AO and 0 finals like Pete at the FO.

Nadal off clay has career of Becker and edberg. Hardly say thats failure

 

[Breakpointerer]

Don't get the point of this thread.

 

[JackGates]

Yes so we agree Roland Garros was vital as had Nadal not won there then yesterday would be huge in terms of bragging rights. But for now Nadal is better on clay on american hard and clay. Problem is for Federer nowhere is he King as its Djokovic on grass (if he wins tomorrow) and asian hard.

Not, really, I think AO was more vital. Because if Fed won AO, he would now have bragging rights, because AO+W final is better than FO.

 

[Pantera]

Not, really, I think AO was more vital. Because if Fed won AO, he would now have bragging rights, because AO+W final is better than FO.

Sorry i dont follow?
As a Rafa fan AO was evidence why Nadal would not win W. Low bouncing courts he cannot trouble Djokovic. What we saw yesterday is u can add federer to that statement so reaffirms what ive said for years now that Nadal shoukd focus on FO and USO.

 

[herronpaul]

Yes so we agree Roland Garros was vital as had Nadal not won there then yesterday would be huge in terms of bragging rights. But for now Nadal is better on clay on american hard and clay. Problem is for Federer nowhere is he King as its Djokovic on grass (if he wins tomorrow) and asian hard.

Lol what is american hard? Nadal has nothing indoor hard so his hard court credentials are dubious. Lol you keep tying yourself up in weird knots. American hard lol.

By what you just said above, by your own logic Nadal isn;t king anywhere. How is he king of clay when he has been straight setted by Novak at all the clay tournaments. I mean getting straight setted and breadsticked at RG lol come on. Put him in front of 0 slam 0 clay masters 0 WTF 0 weeks at no 1 Thiem then sure Nadal can win on clay.. actually scrap that Thiem has been beating Nadal on clay

 

[JackGates]

Sorry i dont follow?
As a Rafa fan AO was evidence why Nadal would not win W. Low bouncing courts he cannot trouble Djokovic. What we saw yesterday is u can add federer to that statement so reaffirms what ive said for years now that Nadal shoukd focus on FO and USO.

I'm saying Fed losing early at AO is more vital than Nadal beating Fed at the FO.

 

[-NN-]

I'm guessing what you meant to say is: Nadal FO win over Federer was NID.

 

[herronpaul]

Back in what place...Nadal has more wimbledons than Federer has FOs....

Your badly tying yourself in knots. By that logic Nadal has less:

AO, WIMB, USO, WTF, All of the masters bar 3 clay ones, weeks no 1, ye no 1, olympics, ATP 500, ATP 250

LMAO

 

[herronpaul]

Novak was straight setted by Fed at the AO

LMAO poor lad Djokovic

 

[Benjamin Rio]

Nadals pet slams are USO and FO...and Nadal won USO 2017 beating Delpo on the way who beat Federer.

AO only djokovic beats Nadal now. Wimbledon Nadal is 3rd of this era. But thats grass.

USO were won by Nadal due to circumstance....

USO 2010 2013 2017 weak field.
In SF he had to beat Youznhy Gasquet and Del poltro who was Ill and Tired. USO 2017 Rublev Anderson
He's never defended the USO AO WIMB no WTF. Weak compared to Novak and Fed.

 

[Benjamin Rio]

Federer doesnt make it far enough in hard court Majors to get to Nadal..nadal cant beat a player not there lol

I love Pantera is hilarious.

He's trying to explain us that Nadal is the better HC player than Fed.

FED 6 AO 5 IW 4 Miami 2 Canada 7 Cincinnati 5 Uso
NOL 7 AO 5 IW 6 Miami 4 Canada 1 Cincinnati 3 USO
Nad 1 AO 3 IW 0 Miami 4 Canada 1 Cincinnati 3 USO

Indoor HC

FED 3 Madrid Shanghai 1 Bercy 6 WTF
NOL 4 Shanghai 4 Bercy 5 WTF
Nad 1 Madrid 0 Bercy 0 WTF

So if Nadal is better than Fed on HC Fed is better than Nadal on clay.

Keep in mind: Fed's career on grass which consist of 2 events is superior than Nadal's on HC.

 

[Pantera]

I love Pantera is hilarious.

He's trying to explain us that Nadal is the better HC player than Fed.

FED 6 AO 5 IW 4 Miami 2 Canada 7 Cincinnati 5 Uso
NOL 7 AO 5 IW 6 Miami 4 Canada 1 Cincinnati 3 USO
Nad 1 AO 3 IW 0 Miami 4 Canada 1 Cincinnati 3 USO

Indoor HC

FED 3 Madrid Shanghai 1 Bercy 6 WTF
NOL 4 Shanghai 4 Bercy 5 WTF
Nad 1 Madrid 0 Bercy 0 WTF

So if Nadal is better than Fed on HC Fed is better than Nadal on clay.

Keep in mind: Fed's career on grass which consist of 2 events is superior than Nadal's on HC.

Nadal 3-1 federer hard court majors Nadal 3 USO (soon to be 4) Federer 0 peak v peak. Yes Nadal is better on hard courts evidence is there for all to see.

 

[Pantera]

USO were won by Nadal due to circumstance....

USO 2010 2013 2017 weak field.
In SF he had to beat Youznhy Gasquet and Del poltro who was Ill and Tired. USO 2017 Rublev Anderson
He's never defended the USO AO WIMB no WTF. Weak compared to Novak and Fed.

U mean like the weak era when Federer won 13 of his Majors pre Nadal and Djokovic...thanks for confirming Federer 3rd of this era.

Nadal has 3 USOs...probably 4 by end of year...deal with it.