Nadal is 2-12 in Grand Slam Matches when down 0-2 in sets

[McEnroeisanartist]

Nadal is 2-12 in Grand Slam matches when down 0-2 in sets.

 

[Charlemagne]

3-12

 

[AustinTx24]

Trying to improve the H2H today.

 

[veroniquem]

edit

 

[TennisATP]

Everyone is. You think it's common to win a match when you're down 0-2 sets? Lol You will lose the huge majority.

 

[DismalFuture]

13

 

[roysid]

He had great chance to make it 3-12, now it's 2-13.
For the record, the two wins after being 2 sets down were against youzhny in 2007 Wimbledon and lubijic in 2005 madrid

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Interesting. Never knew that

 

[icedevil0289]

someone did say that nadal has some of the best stats when he's 2-0, one of the best front runners, but when he's down 2 sets, his stats aren't the best. oddly i think in this category fed has him beat. you know with all the talks about mental toughness and all, not that i think it's the only way to measure mental toughness, something i think gets thrown around a lot

 

[abmk]

someone did say that nadal has some of the best stats when he's 2-0, one of the best front runners, but when he's down 2 sets, his stats aren't the best. oddly i think in this category fed has him beat. you know with all the talks about mental toughness and all, not that i think it's the only way to measure mental toughness, something i think gets thrown around a lot

fed has come down from 2 sets to love down 10 times overall. I think Murray has the same #of comebacks as well.

Nadal just 3 in Bo5 (2 grand slam matches + madrid final vs ljubicic in 2005)

 

[Gazelle]

3-12

NVM

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Nadal is 2-12 in Grand Slam matches when down 0-2 in sets.

How's that possible though. Can you put up the matches he lost

 

[-NN-]

someone did say that nadal has some of the best stats when he's 2-0, one of the best front runners, but when he's down 2 sets, his stats aren't the best. oddly i think in this category fed has him beat. you know with all the talks about mental toughness and all, not that i think it's the only way to measure mental toughness, something i think gets thrown around a lot

Yeah, the topic of mental toughness can be attacked from so many statistical angles.

 

[Gazelle]

someone did say that nadal has some of the best stats when he's 2-0, one of the best front runners, but when he's down 2 sets, his stats aren't the best. oddly i think in this category fed has him beat. you know with all the talks about mental toughness and all, not that i think it's the only way to measure mental toughness, something i think gets thrown around a lot

Mental toughness is a curious thing, and manifests itself in many different ways.

Muller for example today was both a clinical choker as a mental titan.

 

[icedevil0289]

fed has come down from 2 sets to love down 10 times overall. I think Murray has the same #of comebacks as well.

Nadal just 3 in Bo5 (2 grand slam matches + madrid final vs ljubicic in 2005)

yeah i guess also those stats are inflated because it depends on how many times they even go 0-2. i will assume fed managed to come back more often because he was down more often? even with that, i think fed's ability to come back is often overlooked

 

[OKUSA]

When you play like Federer at wimbledon

 

[Mr Feeny]

Everyone is. You think it's common to win a match when you're down 0-2 sets? Lol You will lose the huge majority.

But Federer and Murray are incredible when going down 2-0, compared to the rest of the field. If I'm not mistaken, they both must have atleast 9-10 career wins from 2-0 down.

 

[abmk]

He had great chance to make it 3-12, now it's 2-13.
For the record, the two wins after being 2 sets down were against youzhny in 2007 Wimbledon and lubijic in 2005 madrid

nope.

youzhny in wim 07 and kendrick in wim 06

ljubicic in madrid 05 was not in a slam.

those are the 3 he has overall.

 

[icedevil0289]

Yeah, the topic of mental toughness can be attacked from so many statistical angles.

yup no way imo, even murray, would the big 4 be where they were w.o that mental factor

 

[abmk]

yeah i guess also those stats are inflated because it depends on how many times they even go 0-2. i will assume fed managed to come back more often because he was down more often? even with that, i think fed's ability to come back is often overlooked

not sure, but I don't think fed has gone down 2 sets to love that much more than nadal.

 

[icedevil0289]

not sure, but I don't think fed has gone down 2 sets to love that much more than nadal.

yeah lmao i'm a dunce, i just realized i could have put together the number of times nadal went down 2 sets rofl. i saw the 2, and ignored the 12. silly me. or well now 13

 

[Rosstour]

someone did say that nadal has some of the best stats when he's 2-0, one of the best front runners, but when he's down 2 sets, his stats aren't the best. oddly i think in this category fed has him beat. you know with all the talks about mental toughness and all, not that i think it's the only way to measure mental toughness, something i think gets thrown around a lot

Yes, this is completely at odds with the perception of Rafa as mentally unbreakable.

 

[abmk]

yeah lmao i'm a dunce, i just realized i could have put together the number of times nadal went down 2 sets rofl. i saw the 2, and ignored the 12. silly me. or well now 13

yes, nadal is 2-13 in GS matches now (13.33%)

I just checked for federer. (after being down 2 sets to love in slams)

he's 9-27 overall in slams (25%)

but split into 2 :
before 2004 , it was 2-12 (14.28%)
after 2004, it is 7-15 (31.81%)

Edit : 1. Corrected.
2. The 10 comeback overall was the 2 sets to love comeback vs Nadal in Miami 05 final.

 

[ruerooo]

Nadal is 2-12 in Grand Slam matches when down 0-2 in sets.

How many of these threads do you plan to start ...?

 

[Boom-Boom]

anyone knows who has the most wins coming back from 0-2 sets in GS?

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

anyone knows who has the most wins coming back from 0-2 sets in GS?

if we're talking only about slams (excluding other bo5 matches)... maybe todd martin, with 9 comebacks ?

 

[BeatlesFan]

Yes, this is completely at odds with the perception of Rafa as mentally unbreakable.

Rafa is old now. Can anybody possibly deny he wasn't mentally unbreakable from 2005-2013? His peak, like Fed's, is long gone. These types of losses will mount as he gets older. They already have started. Peak Nadal never would have lost to Fognini at the USO, he would have beaten Fed in Australia and he would won the Muller match today.

 

[World Beater]

federer's main criticisms were his bo5 record, and his specific h2h with rafa.

the b05 record is more a test of physical endurance than mental toughness.

but 0-2 down, and in breakers federer is a beast....

i think sampras and djokovic are also quite strong 0-2 down, but someone has break out the stats...djok and pete were very strong in breakers as well.

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rafa's mental toughness comes from his ability to concentrate, and his physical endurance.

 

[aceX]

Actually Nadal is 2-20 when down 2 sets to love.

Murray 8 from 30 = 27%
Federer 9 from 36 = 25%
Djokovic 4 from 23 = 17%
Nadal 2 from 20 = 10%

Murray

23-05-2016    Roland Garros    Clay    R128    W    Andy Murray (2) d. Radek Stepanek    3-6 3-6 6-0 6-3 7-5      Stats
31-08-2015    US Open    Hard    R64    W    Andy Murray (3) d. Adrian Mannarino    5-7 4-6 6-1 6-3 6-1      Stats
24-06-2013    Wimbledon    Grass    QF    W    Andy Murray (2) d. Fernando Verdasco    4-6 3-6 6-1 6-4 7-5      Stats
29-08-2011    US Open    Hard    R64    W    Andy Murray (4) d. Robin Haase    6-7(5) 2-6 6-2 6-0 6-4      Stats
22-05-2011    Roland Garros    Clay    R16    W    Andy Murray (4) d. Viktor Troicki (15)    4-6 4-6 6-3 6-2 7-5      Stats
24-05-2010    Roland Garros    Clay    R128    W    Andy Murray (4) d. Richard Gasquet    4-6 6-7(5) 6-4 6-2 6-1      Stats
25-08-2008    US Open    Hard    R32    W    Andy Murray (6) d. Jurgen Melzer    6-7(5) 4-6 7-6(5) 6-1 6-3      Stats
23-06-2008    Wimbledon    Grass    R16    W    Andy Murray (11) d. Richard Gasquet (9)    5-7 3-6 7-6(3) 6-2 6-4      Stats
18-01-2016    Australian Open    Hard    F    L    Novak Djokovic (1) d. Andy Murray (2)    6-1 7-5 7-6      Stats
31-08-2015    US Open    Hard    R16    L    Kevin Anderson (15) d. Andy Murray (3)    7-6(5) 6-3 6-7(2) 7-6(0)      Stats
29-06-2015    Wimbledon    Grass    SF    L    Roger Federer (2) d. Andy Murray (3)    7-5 7-5 6-4      Stats
24-05-2015    Roland Garros    Clay    SF    L    Novak Djokovic (1) d. Andy Murray (3)    6-3 6-3 5-7 5-7 6-1      Stats
23-06-2014    Wimbledon    Grass    QF    L    Grigor Dimitrov (11) d. Andy Murray (3)    6-1 7-6(4) 6-2      Stats
26-05-2014    Roland Garros    Clay    SF    L    Rafael Nadal (1) d. Andy Murray (7)    6-3 6-2 6-1      Stats
13-01-2014    Australian Open    Hard    QF    L    Roger Federer (6) d. Andy Murray (4)    6-3 6-4 6-7(6) 6-3      Stats
26-08-2013    US Open    Hard    QF    L    Stanislas Wawrinka (9) d. Andy Murray (3)    6-4 6-3 6-2      Stats
29-08-2011    US Open    Hard    SF    L    Rafael Nadal (2) d. Andy Murray (4)    6-4 6-2 3-6 6-2      Stats
22-05-2011    Roland Garros    Clay    SF    L    Rafael Nadal (1) d. Andy Murray (4)    6-4 7-5 6-4      Stats
17-01-2011    Australian Open    Hard    F    L    Novak Djokovic (3) d. Andy Murray (5)    6-4 6-2 6-3      Stats
21-06-2010    Wimbledon    Grass    SF    L    Rafael Nadal (2) d. Andy Murray (4)    6-4 7-6(6) 6-4      Stats
24-05-2010    Roland Garros    Clay    R16    L    Tomas Berdych (15) d. Andy Murray (4)    6-4 7-5 6-3      Stats
18-01-2010    Australian Open    Hard    F    L    Roger Federer (1) d. Andy Murray (5)    6-3 6-4 7-6(11)      Stats
31-08-2009    US Open    Hard    R16    L    Marin Cilic (16) d. Andy Murray (2)    7-5 6-2 6-2      Stats
25-08-2008    US Open    Hard    F    L    Roger Federer (2) d. Andy Murray (6)    6-2 7-5 6-2      Stats
23-06-2008    Wimbledon    Grass    QF    L    Rafael Nadal (2) d. Andy Murray (11)    6-3 6-2 6-4      Stats
14-01-2008    Australian Open    Hard    R128    L    Jo Wilfried Tsonga d. Andy Murray (9)    7-5 6-4 0-6 7-6(5)      Stats
27-08-2007    US Open    Hard    R32    L    Hyung Taik Lee d. Andy Murray (19)    6-3 6-3 2-6 7-5      Stats
26-06-2006    Wimbledon    Grass    R16    L    Marcos Baghdatis (18) d. Andy Murray    6-3 6-4 7-6(2)      Stats
16-01-2006    Australian Open    Hard    R128    L    Juan Ignacio Chela d. Andy Murray    6-1 6-3 6-3      Stats
29-08-2005    US Open    Hard    R64    L    Arnaud Clement (Q) d. Andy Murray (Q)    6-2 7-6(2) 2-6 6-7(4) 6-0      Stats

Federer

27-06-2016 Wimbledon Grass QF W Roger Federer (3) d. Marin Cilic (9) 6-7(4) 4-6 6-3 7-6(9) 6-3   Stats
25-08-2014 US Open Hard QF W Roger Federer (2) d. Gael Monfils (20) 4-6 3-6 6-4 7-5 6-2   Stats
25-06-2012 Wimbledon Grass R32 W Roger Federer (3) d. Julien Benneteau (29) 4-6 6-7(3) 6-2 7-6(6) 6-1   Stats
27-05-2012 Roland Garros Clay QF W Roger Federer (3) d. Juan Martin Del Potro (9) 3-6 6-7(4) 6-2 6-0 6-3   Stats
21-06-2010 Wimbledon Grass R128 W Roger Federer (1) d. Alejandro Falla 5-7 4-6 6-4 7-6(1) 6-0   Stats
25-05-2009 Roland Garros Clay R16 W Roger Federer (2) d. Tommy Haas 6-7(4) 5-7 6-4 6-0 6-2   Stats
19-01-2009 Australian Open Hard R16 W Roger Federer (2) d. Tomas Berdych (20) 4-6 6-7(4) 6-4 6-4 6-2   Stats
28-05-2001 Roland Garros Clay R64 W Roger Federer d. Sargis Sargsian 4-6 3-6 6-2 6-4 9-7   Stats
28-08-2000 US Open Hard R128 W Roger Federer d. Peter Wessels 4-6 4-6 6-3 7-5 3-4 RET   Stats
18-01-2016 Australian Open Hard SF L Novak Djokovic (1) d. Roger Federer (3) 6-1 6-2 3-6 6-3   Stats
24-05-2015 Roland Garros Clay QF L Stanislas Wawrinka (8) d. Roger Federer (2) 6-4 6-3 7-6(4)   Stats
19-01-2015 Australian Open Hard R32 L Andreas Seppi d. Roger Federer (2) 6-4 7-6(5) 4-6 7-6(5)   Stats
25-08-2014 US Open Hard SF L Marin Cilic (14) d. Roger Federer (2) 6-3 6-4 6-4   Stats
13-01-2014 Australian Open Hard SF L Rafael Nadal (1) d. Roger Federer (6) 7-6(4) 6-3 6-3   Stats
26-08-2013 US Open Hard R16 L Tommy Robredo (19) d. Roger Federer (7) 7-6(3) 6-3 6-4   Stats
27-05-2013 Roland Garros Clay QF L Jo Wilfried Tsonga (6) d. Roger Federer (2) 7-5 6-3 6-3   Stats
27-08-2012 US Open Hard QF L Tomas Berdych (6) d. Roger Federer (1) 7-6(1) 6-4 3-6 6-3   Stats
27-05-2012 Roland Garros Clay SF L Novak Djokovic (1) d. Roger Federer (3) 6-4 7-5 6-3   Stats
22-05-2011 Roland Garros Clay F L Rafael Nadal (1) d. Roger Federer (3) 7-5 7-6(3) 5-7 6-1   Stats
17-01-2011 Australian Open Hard SF L Novak Djokovic (3) d. Roger Federer (2) 7-6(3) 7-5 6-4   Stats
23-06-2008 Wimbledon Grass F L Rafael Nadal (2) d. Roger Federer (1) 6-4 6-4 6-7(5) 6-7(8) 9-7   Stats
25-05-2008 Roland Garros Clay F L Rafael Nadal (2) d. Roger Federer (1) 6-1 6-3 6-0   Stats
14-01-2008 Australian Open Hard SF L Novak Djokovic (3) d. Roger Federer (1) 7-5 6-3 7-6(5)   Stats
24-05-2004 Roland Garros Clay R32 L Gustavo Kuerten (28) d. Roger Federer (1) 6-4 6-4 6-4   Stats
26-05-2003 Roland Garros Clay R128 L Luis Horna d. Roger Federer (5) 7-6(6) 6-2 7-6(3)   Stats
26-08-2002 US Open Hard R16 L Max Mirnyi (32) d. Roger Federer (13) 6-3 7-6(5) 6-4   Stats
24-06-2002 Wimbledon Grass R128 L Mario Ancic (Q) d. Roger Federer (7) 6-3 7-6(2) 6-3   Stats
27-05-2002 Roland Garros Clay R128 L Hicham Arazi d. Roger Federer (8) 6-3 6-2 6-4   Stats
27-08-2001 US Open Hard R16 L Andre Agassi (2) d. Roger Federer (13) 6-1 6-2 6-4   Stats
25-06-2001 Wimbledon Grass QF L Tim Henman (6) d. Roger Federer (15) 7-5 7-6(6) 2-6 7-6(6)   Stats
28-05-2001 Roland Garros Clay QF L Alex Corretja (13) d. Roger Federer 7-5 6-4 7-5   Stats
15-01-2001 Australian Open Hard R32 L Arnaud Clement (15) d. Roger Federer 7-6(5) 6-4 6-4   Stats
28-08-2000 US Open Hard R32 L Juan Carlos Ferrero (12) d. Roger Federer 7-5 7-6(6) 1-6 7-6(6)   Stats
26-06-2000 Wimbledon Grass R128 L Yevgeny Kafelnikov (5) d. Roger Federer 7-5 7-5 7-6(6)   Stats
29-05-2000 Roland Garros Clay R16 L Alex Corretja (10) d. Roger Federer 7-5 7-6(7) 6-2   Stats
17-01-2000 Australian Open Hard R32 L Arnaud Clement d. Roger Federer 6-1 6-4 6-3   Stats

 

[aceX]

Djokovic

29-06-2015 Wimbledon Grass R16 W Novak Djokovic (1) d. Kevin Anderson (14) 6-7(6) 6-7(6) 6-1 6-4 7-5   Stats
27-05-2012 Roland Garros Clay R16 W Novak Djokovic (1) d. Andreas Seppi (22) 4-6 6-7(5) 6-3 7-5 6-3   Stats
29-08-2011 US Open Hard SF W Novak Djokovic (1) d. Roger Federer (3) 6-7(7) 4-6 6-3 6-2 7-5   Stats
20-06-2005 Wimbledon Grass R64 W Novak Djokovic (Q) d. Guillermo Garcia Lopez 3-6 3-6 7-6(5) 7-6(3) 6-4   Stats
28-05-2017 Roland Garros Clay QF L Dominic Thiem (6) d. Novak Djokovic (2) 7-6(5) 6-3 6-0  
27-06-2016 Wimbledon Grass R32 L Sam Querrey (28) d. Novak Djokovic (1) 7-6(6) 6-1 3-6 7-6(5)   Stats
24-06-2013 Wimbledon Grass F L Andy Murray (2) d. Novak Djokovic (1) 6-4 7-5 6-4   Stats
27-08-2012 US Open Hard F L Andy Murray (3) d. Novak Djokovic (2) 7-6(10) 7-5 2-6 3-6 6-2   Stats
27-05-2012 Roland Garros Clay F L Rafael Nadal (2) d. Novak Djokovic (1) 6-4 6-3 2-6 7-5   Stats
22-05-2011 Roland Garros Clay SF L Roger Federer (3) d. Novak Djokovic (2) 7-6(5) 6-3 3-6 7-6(5)   Stats
21-06-2010 Wimbledon Grass SF L Tomas Berdych (12) d. Novak Djokovic (3) 6-3 7-6(9) 6-3   Stats
31-08-2009 US Open Hard SF L Roger Federer (1) d. Novak Djokovic (4) 7-6(3) 7-5 7-5   Stats
22-06-2009 Wimbledon Grass QF L Tommy Haas (24) d. Novak Djokovic (4) 7-5 7-6(6) 4-6 6-3   Stats
25-05-2009 Roland Garros Clay R32 L Philipp Kohlschreiber (29) d. Novak Djokovic (4) 6-4 6-4 6-4   Stats
23-06-2008 Wimbledon Grass R64 L Marat Safin d. Novak Djokovic (3) 6-4 7-6(3) 6-2   Stats
25-05-2008 Roland Garros Clay SF L Rafael Nadal (2) d. Novak Djokovic (3) 6-4 6-2 7-6(3)   Stats
27-08-2007 US Open Hard F L Roger Federer (1) d. Novak Djokovic (3) 7-6(4) 7-6(2) 6-4   Stats
28-05-2007 Roland Garros Clay SF L Rafael Nadal (2) d. Novak Djokovic (6) 7-5 6-4 6-2   Stats
15-01-2007 Australian Open Hard R16 L Roger Federer (1) d. Novak Djokovic (14) 6-2 7-5 6-3   Stats
28-08-2006 US Open Hard R32 L Lleyton Hewitt (15) d. Novak Djokovic (20) 6-3 6-1 6-2   Stats
29-05-2006 Roland Garros Clay QF L Rafael Nadal (2) d. Novak Djokovic 6-4 6-4 RET   Stats
20-06-2005 Wimbledon Grass R32 L Sebastien Grosjean (9) d. Novak Djokovic (Q) 7-5 6-4 5-7 6-4   Stats
17-01-2005 Australian Open Hard R128 L Marat Safin (4) d. Novak Djokovic (Q) 6-0 6-2 6-1   Stats

Nadal

25-06-2007 Wimbledon Grass R16 W Rafael Nadal (2) d. Mikhail Youzhny (14) 4-6 3-6 6-1 6-2 6-2   Stats
26-06-2006 Wimbledon Grass R64 W Rafael Nadal (2) d. Robert Kendrick (Q) 6-7(4) 3-6 7-6(2) 7-5 6-4   Stats
24-05-2015 Roland Garros Clay QF L Novak Djokovic (1) d. Rafael Nadal (6) 7-5 6-3 6-1   Stats
19-01-2015 Australian Open Hard QF L Tomas Berdych (7) d. Rafael Nadal (3) 6-2 6-0 7-6(5)   Stats
13-01-2014 Australian Open Hard F L Stanislas Wawrinka (8) d. Rafael Nadal (1) 6-3 6-2 3-6 6-3   Stats
24-06-2013 Wimbledon Grass R128 L Steve Darcis d. Rafael Nadal (5) 7-6(4) 7-6(8) 6-4   Stats
29-08-2011 US Open Hard F L Novak Djokovic (1) d. Rafael Nadal (2) 6-2 6-4 6-7(3) 6-1   Stats
20-06-2011 Wimbledon Grass F L Novak Djokovic (2) d. Rafael Nadal (1) 6-4 6-1 1-6 6-3   Stats
17-01-2011 Australian Open Hard QF L David Ferrer (7) d. Rafael Nadal (1) 6-4 6-2 6-3   Stats
18-01-2010 Australian Open Hard QF L Andy Murray (5) d. Rafael Nadal (2) 6-3 7-6(2) 3-0 RET   Stats
31-08-2009 US Open Hard SF L Juan Martin Del Potro (6) d. Rafael Nadal (3) 6-2 6-2 6-2   Stats
25-08-2008 US Open Hard SF L Andy Murray (6) d. Rafael Nadal (1) 6-2 7-6(5) 4-6 6-4   Stats
14-01-2008 Australian Open Hard SF L Jo Wilfried Tsonga d. Rafael Nadal (2) 6-2 6-3 6-2   Stats
15-01-2007 Australian Open Hard QF L Fernando Gonzalez (10) d. Rafael Nadal (2) 6-2 6-4 6-3   Stats
26-06-2006 Wimbledon Grass F L Roger Federer (1) d. Rafael Nadal (2) 6-0 7-6(5) 6-7(2) 6-3   Stats
30-08-2004 US Open Hard R64 L Andy Roddick (2) d. Rafael Nadal 6-0 6-3 6-4   Stats
19-01-2004 Australian Open Hard R32 L Lleyton Hewitt (15) d. Rafael Nadal 7-6(2) 7-6(5) 6-2   Stats
25-08-2003 US Open Hard R64 L Younes El Aynaoui (22) d. Rafael Nadal 7-6(6) 6-3 7-6(6)   Stats
23-06-2003 Wimbledon Grass R32 L Paradorn Srichaphan (12) d. Rafael Nadal 6-4 6-4 6-2   Stats
Plus today's loss

 

[The Green Mile]

^^ You only doing the majors then? Miami 05 final missing. Cool post though.

 

[aceX]

^^ You only doing the majors then? Miami 05 final missing. Cool post though.

Oh yeah OP's title said grand slams so I just went with that

 

[aceX]

Some others:

Laver 4 - 7 57%
Borg 6 - 13 46%
Murray 8 - 30 27%
Federer 9 - 36 25%
Nadlbandian 5 - 25 20%
Sampras 5 - 26 19%
Djokovic 4 - 23 17%
Hewitt 5 - 39 13%
Nadal 2 - 20 10%
Ferrer 3 - 35 9%
McEnroe 1 - 24 4%
Safin 0 - 25 0% 

Overall 52 - 303 17%

For me I don't think there is that much we can take out of this statistic except maybe the ability of a player to "play into form". Federer is somewhat notorious for slow starts early in slams and tends to get better later in matches against non-top-10 opponents.

One way of looking at it is that out of all these players, Nadal has been down 0-2 the fewest number of times. I think that goes to show typically how strong and focused he is right from the start. Players like Federer and Murray appear to use their first set as a warmup and start really flowing at the tail end of matches, whereas Nadal is straight into it from the beginning. This does mean however that if he's off that day, he's going to be off from the start and will probably lose having lost the first two sets.

 

[Duncan Donuts]

Federer has 10...I remember seeing Fed have 10 multiple times (including non slams).

 

[aceX]

Federer has 10...I remember seeing Fed have 10 multiple times (including non slams).

If you include Davis Cup, Olympics, bo5 Masters

Federer is 10 from 42 = 24%
Murray 9 from 33 = 27%
Djokovic 4 from 28 = 14%
Nadal 3 from 22 = 14%

27-06-2016 Wimbledon Grass QF W Roger Federer (3) d. Marin Cilic (9) 6-7(4) 4-6 6-3 7-6(9) 6-3   Stats
25-08-2014 US Open Hard QF W Roger Federer (2) d. Gael Monfils (20) 4-6 3-6 6-4 7-5 6-2   Stats
25-06-2012 Wimbledon Grass R32 W Roger Federer (3) d. Julien Benneteau (29) 4-6 6-7(3) 6-2 7-6(6) 6-1   Stats
27-05-2012 Roland Garros Clay QF W Roger Federer (3) d. Juan Martin Del Potro (9) 3-6 6-7(4) 6-2 6-0 6-3   Stats
21-06-2010 Wimbledon Grass R128 W Roger Federer (1) d. Alejandro Falla 5-7 4-6 6-4 7-6(1) 6-0   Stats
25-05-2009 Roland Garros Clay R16 W Roger Federer (2) d. Tommy Haas 6-7(4) 5-7 6-4 6-0 6-2   Stats
19-01-2009 Australian Open Hard R16 W Roger Federer (2) d. Tomas Berdych (20) 4-6 6-7(4) 6-4 6-4 6-2   Stats
21-03-2005 Miami Masters Hard F W Roger Federer (1) d. Rafael Nadal (29) 2-6 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 6-3 6-1   Stats
28-05-2001 Roland Garros Clay R64 W Roger Federer d. Sargis Sargsian 4-6 3-6 6-2 6-4 9-7   Stats
28-08-2000 US Open Hard R128 W Roger Federer d. Peter Wessels 4-6 4-6 6-3 7-5 3-4 RET   Stats
18-01-2016 Australian Open Hard SF L Novak Djokovic (1) d. Roger Federer (3) 6-1 6-2 3-6 6-3   Stats
24-05-2015 Roland Garros Clay QF L Stanislas Wawrinka (8) d. Roger Federer (2) 6-4 6-3 7-6(4)   Stats
19-01-2015 Australian Open Hard R32 L Andreas Seppi d. Roger Federer (2) 6-4 7-6(5) 4-6 7-6(5)   Stats
21-11-2014 Davis Cup WG Clay F L Gael Monfils d. Roger Federer 6-1 6-4 6-3
25-08-2014 US Open Hard SF L Marin Cilic (14) d. Roger Federer (2) 6-3 6-4 6-4   Stats
13-01-2014 Australian Open Hard SF L Rafael Nadal (1) d. Roger Federer (6) 7-6(4) 6-3 6-3   Stats
26-08-2013 US Open Hard R16 L Tommy Robredo (19) d. Roger Federer (7) 7-6(3) 6-3 6-4   Stats
27-05-2013 Roland Garros Clay QF L Jo Wilfried Tsonga (6) d. Roger Federer (2) 7-5 6-3 6-3   Stats
27-08-2012 US Open Hard QF L Tomas Berdych (6) d. Roger Federer (1) 7-6(1) 6-4 3-6 6-3   Stats
25-07-2012 London Olympics Grass F L Andy Murray (3) d. Roger Federer (1) 6-2 6-1 6-4   Stats
27-05-2012 Roland Garros Clay SF L Novak Djokovic (1) d. Roger Federer (3) 6-4 7-5 6-3   Stats
22-05-2011 Roland Garros Clay F L Rafael Nadal (1) d. Roger Federer (3) 7-5 7-6(3) 5-7 6-1   Stats
17-01-2011 Australian Open Hard SF L Novak Djokovic (3) d. Roger Federer (2) 7-6(3) 7-5 6-4   Stats
23-06-2008 Wimbledon Grass F L Rafael Nadal (2) d. Roger Federer (1) 6-4 6-4 6-7(5) 6-7(8) 9-7   Stats
25-05-2008 Roland Garros Clay F L Rafael Nadal (2) d. Roger Federer (1) 6-1 6-3 6-0   Stats
14-01-2008 Australian Open Hard SF L Novak Djokovic (3) d. Roger Federer (1) 7-5 6-3 7-6(5)   Stats
24-05-2004 Roland Garros Clay R32 L Gustavo Kuerten (28) d. Roger Federer (1) 6-4 6-4 6-4   Stats
26-05-2003 Roland Garros Clay R128 L Luis Horna d. Roger Federer (5) 7-6(6) 6-2 7-6(3)   Stats
05-05-2003 Rome Masters Clay F L Felix Mantilla d. Roger Federer (4) 7-5 6-2 7-6(8)   Stats
26-08-2002 US Open Hard R16 L Max Mirnyi (32) d. Roger Federer (13) 6-3 7-6(5) 6-4   Stats
24-06-2002 Wimbledon Grass R128 L Mario Ancic (Q) d. Roger Federer (7) 6-3 7-6(2) 6-3   Stats
27-05-2002 Roland Garros Clay R128 L Hicham Arazi d. Roger Federer (8) 6-3 6-2 6-4   Stats
18-03-2002 Miami Masters Hard F L Andre Agassi (9) d. Roger Federer (12) 6-3 6-3 3-6 6-4   Stats
22-10-2001 Basel Carpet F L Tim Henman (2) d. Roger Federer (4) 6-3 6-4 6-2   Stats
27-08-2001 US Open Hard R16 L Andre Agassi (2) d. Roger Federer (13) 6-1 6-2 6-4   Stats
25-06-2001 Wimbledon Grass QF L Tim Henman (6) d. Roger Federer (15) 7-5 7-6(6) 2-6 7-6(6)   Stats
28-05-2001 Roland Garros Clay QF L Alex Corretja (13) d. Roger Federer 7-5 6-4 7-5   Stats
15-01-2001 Australian Open Hard R32 L Arnaud Clement (15) d. Roger Federer 7-6(5) 6-4 6-4   Stats
28-08-2000 US Open Hard R32 L Juan Carlos Ferrero (12) d. Roger Federer 7-5 7-6(6) 1-6 7-6(6)   Stats
26-06-2000 Wimbledon Grass R128 L Yevgeny Kafelnikov (5) d. Roger Federer 7-5 7-5 7-6(6)   Stats
29-05-2000 Roland Garros Clay R16 L Alex Corretja (10) d. Roger Federer 7-5 7-6(7) 6-2   Stats
17-01-2000 Australian Open Hard R32 L Arnaud Clement d. Roger Federer 6-1 6-4 6-3   Stats

 

[abmk]

For me I don't think there is that much we can take out of this statistic except maybe the ability of a player to "play into form". Federer is somewhat notorious for slow starts early in slams and tends to get better later in matches against non-top-10 opponents.

One way of looking at it is that out of all these players, Nadal has been down 0-2 the fewest number of times. I think that goes to show typically how strong and focused he is right from the start. Players like Federer and Murray appear to use their first set as a warmup and start really flowing at the tail end of matches, whereas Nadal is straight into it from the beginning. This does mean however that if he's off that day, he's going to be off from the start and will probably lose having lost the first two sets.

yeah, no, federer was actually a fast starter at his peak. Like a bulldozer. from 2004-07, he went down 2 sets to love only once: kuerten in 04 RG.

I'd actually suggest checking dividing total # of these matches with total # of matches played by these guys at slams.

federer : 36/369 (9.756%)
nadal : 20/252 (7.93%)

nadal's % will probably increases as he ages.

Murray of course is not as good as these guys, manages to get himself in some unnecessary tangles and then get out of them.

 

[icedevil0289]

on the flip side, would be curious to know about the opposite in regards to how many matches big 4 have lost two sets up.

 

[aceX]

yeah, no, federer was actually a fast starter at his peak. Like a bulldozer. from 2004-07, he went down 2 sets to love only once: kuerten in 04 RG.

I'd actually suggest checking dividing total # of these matches with total # of matches played by these guys at slams.

federer : 36/369 (9.756%)
nadal : 20/252 (7.93%)

nadal's % will probably increases as he ages.

Murray of course is not as good as these guys, manages to get himself in some unnecessary tangles and then get out of them.

Yup for that 3-year window Federer started fast, and that is backed up by the few times going down 0-2, so that confirms my point.

 

[Tenez!]

on the flip side, would be curious to know about the opposite in regards to how many matches big 4 have lost two sets up.

Good idea.

Nadal lost a 2-0 lead against Federer in 2005, and was Fognini-ed in 2015. Something like 2-170.
Federer lost a 2-0 lead to: Djokovic and Tsonga in 2011. Can't see many others. Perhaps @aceX could help?

 

[Bender]

I think partially the reason for this is because Rafa is a streaky player.

If he's 2-0 down in sets, it's because he's being comprehensively outplayed.

Fed OTOH when he goes down 2-0 in sets, part of it is often because of of poor decision-making on his part at crucial points, so playing sensible tennis stops the bleeding.

Federer and Djokovic both have better serve games and more sensible return games when a match gets tough. Now that Nadal's serve is a lot better, at least he's come back from 2-0 down to force a fifth, so that's progress.

 

[aceX]

Good idea.

Nadal lost a 2-0 lead against Federer in 2005, and was Fognini-ed in 2015. Something like 2-170.
Federer lost a 2-0 lead to: Djokovic (x2) and Tsonga. Can't see many others. Perhaps @aceX could help?

Slams lost after 2-0 ahead
Murray 1 of 135
Djokovic 1 of 172
Nadal 1 of 170
Federer 2 of 252

All 5 set matches lost after 2-0 ahead
Murray 1 of 159
Djokovic 2 of 196
Nadal 2 of 192
Federer 4 of 302

Edit: Fixed the Murray stat, good spotting by @ByakuFubuki

 

[Tenez!]

All 5 set matches lost after 2-0 ahead
Murray 1 of 159
Djokovic 2 of 196
Nadal 2 of 192
Federer 4 of 302

Great work, Mr. Stats Guy. There are so few, could you remind us which ones?

 

[aceX]

Great work, Mr. Stats Guy. There are so few, could you remind us which ones?

Murray
20-06-2005 Wimbledon Grass R32 L David Nalbandian (18) d. Andy Murray (WC) 6-7(4) 1-6 6-0 6-4 6-1 Stats

Djokovic
24-05-2010 Roland Garros Clay QF L Jurgen Melzer (22) d. Novak Djokovic (3) 3-6 2-6 6-2 7-6(3) 6-4 Stats
08-02-2008 Davis Cup WG Hard R16 L Nikolay Davydenko d. Novak Djokovic 4-6 3-6 6-4 0-0 RET

Nadal
31-08-2015 US Open Hard R32 L Fabio Fognini (32) d. Rafael Nadal (8) 3-6 4-6 6-4 6-3 6-4 Stats
21-03-2005 Miami Masters Hard F L Roger Federer (1) d. Rafael Nadal (29) 2-6 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 6-3 6-1 Stats

Federer
29-08-2011 US Open Hard SF L Novak Djokovic (1) d. Roger Federer (3) 6-7(7) 4-6 6-3 6-2 7-5 Stats
20-06-2011 Wimbledon Grass QF L Jo Wilfried Tsonga (12) d. Roger Federer (3) 3-6 6-7(3) 6-4 6-4 6-4 Stats
14-11-2005 Masters Cup Carpet F L David Nalbandian d. Roger Federer 6-7(4) 6-7(11) 6-2 6-1 7-6(3) Stats
19-09-2003 Davis Cup WG Hard SF L Lleyton Hewitt d. Roger Federer 5-7 2-6 7-6(4) 7-5 6-1

 

[ChrisRF]

Players like Federer and Murray appear to use their first set as a warmup and start really flowing at the tail end of matches, whereas Nadal is straight into it from the beginning.

Federer maybe sometimes, but he is rather well-known for breaking in the opponent's first service game and then just steamrolling him. Especially against a so-called "promising" next-generation player or against a servebot.

 

[Fed881981]

nope.

youzhny in wim 07 and kendrick in wim 06

ljubicic in madrid 05 was not in a slam.

those are the 3 he has overall.

So, the last time that Nadal came back from a 2-0 hole was 10 years ago?!!!!

That's incredible!

 

[kOaMaster]

Another one missing is Wawrinka, he is 6 - 27 (6-21 for only Grand Slams)

What I find way more stunning:
Federer has only one 5-setter that he lost after coming back from 0-2. That is the famous 2008 Wimbledon final vs Nadal.

 

[Boom-Boom]

if we're talking only about slams (excluding other bo5 matches)... maybe todd martin, with 9 comebacks ?

I think Becker and Krickstein have around 10 comebacks overall (including DC, etc)

 

[ByakuFubuki]

yes, nadal is 2-13 in GS matches now (13.33%)

I just checked for federer. (after being down 2 sets to love in slams)

he's 9-27 overall in slams (25%)

but split into 2 :
before 2004 , it was 2-12 (14.28%)
after 2004, it is 7-15 (31.81%)

Edit : 1. Corrected.
2. I remember the 2 sets to love comeback vs Nadal in Miami 05 final. not able to remember what the 10th comeback overall is.

But you already answered in the previous sentence. 9 in Grand Slam Matches + 1 in Miami against Nadal = 10 Comebacks.

Murray
20-06-2005 Wimbledon Grass R32 L David Nalbandian (18) d. Andy Murray (WC) 6-7(4) 1-6 6-0 6-4 6-1 Stats
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You must have made a typo in your previous Post then, because it says Murray never lost from two Sets up in Grand Slam Matches.

 

[MatsPhilander]

The commentators were saying with his history he would be the favourite to win when he got back to 2-2 based on his past history. No idea why that would be.

 

[Starfury]

The 0-2 stat is kinda misleading.

16-01-2006 Australian Open Hard R128 L Juan Ignacio Chela d. Andy Murray 6-1 6-3 6-3      Stats
17-01-2000 Australian Open Hard R32 L Arnaud Clement d. Roger Federer 6-1 6-4 6-3   Stats
17-01-2005 Australian Open Hard R128 L Marat Safin (4) d. Novak Djokovic (Q) 6-0 6-2 6-1   Stats
23-06-2003 Wimbledon Grass R32 L Paradorn Srichaphan (12) d. Rafael Nadal 6-4 6-4 6-2   Stats

What do we have here? A bunch of teenagers losing in straight sets. They went down 0-2 and then lost the third set as well. Did anyone expect a different outcome?

If anything you'd have to qualify by only starting the count from the point they reached the top 10, or only counting matches against opponents of equal or lower rank.

Otherwise you're in part measuring how long it took those players to become good, not how good they are at erasing a deficit.