Nadal's peak? Still a myth...
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MichaelNadal
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Northern
Hall of Fame
Nadal's peak doesn't exist, yet his combined H2H in slams against Fed and Djok is 18-8. Now, imagine if he actually had had a peak.
Northern
Hall of Fame
As opposed to Fed's wonderful, unbiased, and graceful fans?
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
2008-2013 is his prime, 2010-11 is peak with 2008 and 2013 coming close
For Federer it's easy. 2003-2009 is his prime, 2004-07 peak (3 year peak is incredible)
Djokovic's prime is 2010-16, peak 2011-12 and second peak from 2015-16
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic was by no means weak in 2013. He beat Nadal and won MONTE-CARLO and the World Championship.
After Nadal went out with appendicitis, we saw what Djokovic could really do without major obstacles in his way
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
2004-2007 is 4 years
Novak's 2008 was more of a prime season than 2010
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
His 2010 season was a rollercoaster. Started the year badly and struggled until the late season when Djoker 2.0 was born. 2008 was a great season with AO and YEC, but he faded out again in 09. Similar to Nadal's 2005 where he won a bunch of M1000s and then took until 2008 to really enter his prime
D
Deleted member 307496
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Don't see them comparing Roddick to freaking Baghdatis.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
His 2004 season was definitely part of his prime
RaulRamirez
Legend
Consistency: Nadal has a slightly higher career winning percentage than either Nole or Roger.
Fewer weeks at #1 is partially attributable to more injuries than the others. (not an excuse, but it's part of the overall picture.)
Rafa also, I think, has the most consecutive years winning at least one major; that also speaks to consistency.
RS
Bionic Poster
RS
Bionic Poster
He has spent 696 weeks consecutive in the top 10. Only behind Federer 734 and Connors 788. He is less than a year away from passing Federer.
That is another stat that shows Nadal longetivity is underrated.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
That's strange, as im sure Nadal won a grand slam in 2005, and is still winning them in 2018, 13 years later. Winning at least 1 slam for most of his 15 year career.Is that not consistency?
Djokovic has won 12 of his slams in 7 years, and 1 a few years before then, with 6 slam-less years.
Id say theres a fair argument that Nadal has been MORE consistent with results over a longer period of time, and that's taking into consideration how much time hes also missed too.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Nadal is the only one of the three who never dropped out of the top 10. Federer and Djokovic both had time outside the top 10 in 2017
Northern
Hall of Fame
Is that the only possible way out of the inifinite possible ways a fan can be disgraceful?
Devin
Semi-Pro
Clay season 2008 up until clay season 2009 was Nadal's best stretch IMO. Won three grand slams on three different surfaces, all with a high level of play. He got gold at the Olympics too.
His clay peak is clearly RG 2008. His grass peak is between 2008 and 2007. The level he displayed in both finals were about the same. His slow hard court peak probably came in early 2009, but his fast HC peak was in 2010 for me. His 2010 USO level was better than 2013, and I think his WTF performance was better than 2013 too.
His clay peak is clearly RG 2008. His grass peak is between 2008 and 2007. The level he displayed in both finals were about the same. His slow hard court peak probably came in early 2009, but his fast HC peak was in 2010 for me. His 2010 USO level was better than 2013, and I think his WTF performance was better than 2013 too.
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There are certainly other ways and they exhibit them all.
Primavera
Rookie
Rafa is peaking from time to time.
Peak 1 - 2005
Peak 2 - 2008
Peak 3 - 2010
Peak 4 - 2013
Peak 5 - 2017
Since the inter-peak interval is 3-2-3-4 there's no regular pattern, and the next peak can hardly be predicted. Hopefully, it will be the only figure missing from this list, i.e. 1
Primavera
Rookie
Djokovic will never go anywhere as a greater player than Nadal. Rafa has 17 slam titles vs *****'s 13, 33 masters titles vs *****'s 31, 2 olympic gold medals vs *****'s 0, 4 davis cups vs *****'s 1. Learn your arithmetics.
Primavera
Rookie
Djokovic was especially prime last year, two years ago and at the start of this season. Did you begin watching tennis this July?
Primavera
Rookie
Since Nadal is No.1 now, does it mean that Federer is still in decline and Djokovic has never risen?
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
Sure if Federer was "playing his best tennis" at 34 years of age why not?
Primavera
Rookie
Reported as libel / slander / defamation.
Primavera
Rookie
His recent loss in Canada is especially pitiful. Do you watch tennis sometimes, or all you time is fully dedicated to posting insults in this forum?
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Deleted member 688153
Guest
i wrote that in 2016 lmfao
any other penetrating wisdom to share?
I see you're on a roll in this thread
Eren
Professional
That's a 4 year peak period, not three. 2004-2005-2006-2007
OT:
The best answer one give is: whenever he wins lol. With Federer and Djokovic we have clear periods. The funny thing with Nadal is: "he wasn't peak yet on surface X." LOL
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Or when he starts peaking at one surface (HC) he loses his peak at another surface (grass).
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Speaking of numbers, are you familiar with a thing called a calendar?
Primavera
Rookie
Djokovic during his peak beat Nadal 7 times in a row. This was when Nadal was also considered to be at his peak. This just proves that peak Novak plays at a much higher level than Nadal
It is also proved by the number of slams, masters, and overall tournaments won. In gypsy logic 13>17, 31>33, and especially 70>80. You'll have problems getting even primary education.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
Nadal's peak = RG05-08, RG10-14 and RG17-18.
The rest is just easy draws, luck and whining about ATP/ITF.
The rest is just easy draws, luck and whining about ATP/ITF.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Fedr's peak = 2013 summer. The rest is all easy draws, luck, and 23-15
Pheasant
Legend
Wow. I had no idea that Nadal was in position to pass Fed on this list. That is quite impressive. Ten years ago, nobody would have given Nadal a snowball’s chance of getting anywhere near Fed on this list. Even Connors is reachable for Nadal.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Underrated in the consistency department. Won at least 1 Slam for 10 straight years, 10 year span between first and last day at #1
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Deleted member 742196
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Nadal is so epic™, he won 17 slams and we don't even know when he peaked
Nadal's peak doesn't exist, yet his combined H2H in slams against Fed and Djok is 18-8. Now, imagine if he actually had had a peak.
Rafa is peaking from time to time.
Peak 1 - 2005
Peak 2 - 2008
Peak 3 - 2010
Peak 4 - 2013
Peak 5 - 2017
Since the inter-peak interval is 3-2-3-4 there's no regular pattern, and the next peak can hardly be predicted. Hopefully, it will be the only figure missing from this list, i.e. 1
This is why everyone giggles at us tennis fans.
Y’all need to know how to to use the word “peak” properly.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
This is why everyone giggles at us tennis fans.
Y’all need to know how to to use the word “peak” properly.
Glad we could peek you’re interest.
Probably posting from the court between sets.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, I'm sure that guy cares.
He's been gone for probably about a year and a half anyway, but I see you're having issues responding to old posts as @Firstservingman so kindly pointed out.
clout
Hall of Fame
His peak is still among the best tbh. In 2005, he won 11 titles as an 18-19 year old, including 4 Masters and the French Open.
From the start of 2008 until the 2009 French Open was probably the best stretch of his career. He won 3 slams all on different surfaces and beat Roger in the finals in all of them. He won a ton of Masters, got to World number one for the first time and even won Olympic Gold. 2010 was his best statistical year as he became one of vey few ppl in history to win 3 majors in the same year. He likely would've dominated the tour more than ever before in 2011-2012, but he ended up getting Djokovic'ed a few times too many in big tournaments. 2013 is arguably his best season as well. He only lost a grand total of two matches all year up until late in the fall season. He again won 2 slams, sweeping the NA HCs, nearly sweeping clay and won like 30 HC matches in a row dating back to 2012. Strange thing is that he's never finished back to back seasons as world number one but that drought seems to be ending this year.
From the start of 2008 until the 2009 French Open was probably the best stretch of his career. He won 3 slams all on different surfaces and beat Roger in the finals in all of them. He won a ton of Masters, got to World number one for the first time and even won Olympic Gold. 2010 was his best statistical year as he became one of vey few ppl in history to win 3 majors in the same year. He likely would've dominated the tour more than ever before in 2011-2012, but he ended up getting Djokovic'ed a few times too many in big tournaments. 2013 is arguably his best season as well. He only lost a grand total of two matches all year up until late in the fall season. He again won 2 slams, sweeping the NA HCs, nearly sweeping clay and won like 30 HC matches in a row dating back to 2012. Strange thing is that he's never finished back to back seasons as world number one but that drought seems to be ending this year.
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