New Nike Lunarlon Vapor Tours and CB2.3s

[XFactorer]

http://wimbledon2010.nikemedia.com/#

Go there and look at Fed's new shoe... and then Nadal's. Both have been updated with Lunarlon technology! Oh, it's going to be even better and softer! I want!

 

[TMCW140]

Afraid its just a name change from lunarlite, rather than anything exciting and new

 

[XFactorer]

Actually, no... Lunar technology is the idea of a hard carrier foam craddling a softer cushioning foam. In LunarLite shoes, it's the carrier foam with phylite as the soft cushioning foam. Lunarlon has cushlon instead of phylite. If you're familiar with running shoes, Cushlon (what they use in the new Pegasus 27s) is softer foam than phylite (what they used in the previous Pegasus). Lunarlon wears more evenly and is more durable.

SO! If they label it with Lunarlon, it's the next generation in the lunar technology. It'll basically be a new shoe in terms of cushioning.

 

[Chezbeeno]

it could be the same as lunarlite just renamed as a pun due to the lawns at Wimby, thus "Lunarlon" like "Lunarlawn" so maybe a pun, but it could be a different material

 

[XFactorer]

...it's a different material as I described above. Lunarlon is a new technology to replace Lunarlite. I don't make up these elaborate explanations because I'm bored and don't have real work to do.

 

[gino]

Hey guys is Nike going to make the Vapors with this new "lunarlon" material available to us?

G

 

[XFactorer]

I hope so... TWE has the new white CBs and the white/gold Vapors and they still look like they feature the LunarLite stuff.

Eventually LunarLite will be all gone... the CB3.3s have Lunarlon...

 

[smirker]

I hope so... TWE has the new white CBs and the white/gold Vapors and they still look like they feature the LunarLite stuff.

Eventually LunarLite will be all gone... the CB3.3s have Lunarlon...

We have the Lunarlon versions here in the Uk. Obviously due to an impending tournament in SW London.

 

[XFactorer]

Huh... must be a small tourney in SW London. I don't hear much of any tourney in London around this time of year.

So, the CBs and Vapors do say Lunarlon on the side instead of LunarLite?

 

[smirker]

Huh... must be a small tourney in SW London. I don't hear much of any tourney in London around this time of year.

So, the CBs and Vapors do say Lunarlon on the side instead of LunarLite?

Yep, saw them the other day in my local discount sports retailer and thought they must be cheap copies but evidently Nadal's/Federers shoes at Wimbledon this year and at a knock-down price!

Shame I just bought the Obsidian Blue version of the Vapor (prefer the gold personally) and the 2.3 is too narrow in the toe.

I would do a link but beyond my tech abilities but search sports direct (UK site) and you should find it.

 

[ductrung3993]

Hope that this new material is more durable than the Lunarlite thingy, mine foam already worn and sunken after around 5 times of wear And BTW, hello everyone, I'm a newbie who just reg

 

[flashfire276]

Sure it would be really soft. But is it as responsive as Zoom Air?

Bring back Zoom Air Vapors!!!!

 

[TennisKid1]

i dont know if they will be lunarlon because on TWE they have lunarlite

 

[finchy]

Actually, no... Lunar technology is the idea of a hard carrier foam craddling a softer cushioning foam. In LunarLite shoes, it's the carrier foam with phylite as the soft cushioning foam. Lunarlon has cushlon instead of phylite. If you're familiar with running shoes, Cushlon (what they use in the new Pegasus 27s) is softer foam than phylite (what they used in the previous Pegasus). Lunarlon wears more evenly and is more durable.

SO! If they label it with Lunarlon, it's the next generation in the lunar technology. It'll basically be a new shoe in terms of cushioning.

From what I had heard, what you are saying is a load of BS. The name change was supposedly due to copyright claims from another company on the name 'Lunarlite', hence the name change to Lunarlon by Nike. There is no reason why they would change the material in the shoe during the mid-life of the shoe, especially since there is a new model coming out in 6 months. It would not be cost effective for Nike to replace the 'Lunarlite' with Lunarlon right now.

Another victim of Nike's marketing, but hey, we fall for it sooner or later.

 

[Prostaffer]

From what I had heard, what you are saying is a load of BS. The name change was supposedly due to copyright claims from another company on the name 'Lunarlite', hence the name change to Lunarlon by Nike. There is no reason why they would change the material in the shoe during the mid-life of the shoe, especially since there is a new model coming out in 6 months. It would not be cost effective for Nike to replace the 'Lunarlite' with Lunarlon right now.

Another victim of Nike's marketing, but hey, we fall for it sooner or later.

Until you can provide a link or proof to said lawsuit I'll take his word over yours. His description of the technology is accurate.

I still prefer zoom air, embedded in the shoe and not the sock liner myself.

 

[finchy]

Until you can provide a link or proof to said lawsuit I'll take his word over yours. His description of the technology is accurate.

I still prefer zoom air, embedded in the shoe and not the sock liner myself.

Just looked up the trademark rights to Lunarlite and Lunarlon and they do both belong to Nike. Regardless of that fact, it is still cost ineffective to change the composition of the cushioning of the shoe at this stage in the products' lives. Anyone with an ounce of economics and manufacturing knowledge would know this.

Reading up a bit more, just like someone else said, it looks like Nike is changing the name to Lunarlon because they are expanding its use to shoes in other sports.

I would really like to see someone buy both 'versions' of the shoe and really compare them to see if it is actually softer.

Trademark links:
Lunarlon: http://www.trademarkia.com/lunarlon-77877978.html
Lunarlite: http://www.trademarkia.com/lunarlite-78872667.html

 

[elee3]

Regardless of that fact, it is still cost ineffective to change the composition of the cushioning of the shoe at this stage in the products' lives. Anyone with an ounce of economics and manufacturing knowledge would know this.

That is true, but Nike being such a major company, I'm certain the way shoes are made is very flexible. They can change certain things very easily. Of course I find it dumb to make change in the current product and market it, will cause confusion imo. It would very terrible on the business side if they need to switch to a new line of machines for every shoe. I don't have CB2.3 but looking at pictures of the outsole of the CB2.3 it looks exactly the same as the CB1.3. A lot of products you buy the part number is the same, but if you dig deeper into the numbers manufacturers' date codes, internal part numbers etc you'll see they aren't exactly the same. Kinda why sometimes when you want to return or RMA products to manufacturers they will ask you to pinpoint some sort of number or something other than just the part number. If their nice they won't ask and you just ship it in and they will do that for you without you knowing.

 

[BradThomas2121]

This is kinda off topic. I have only been on here about 7-8 months so I dont know when the next generation vapors are seen but since we have already seen the cb's, when do we get peeks at the next generation vapors

 

[West Coast Ace]

...I'm certain the way shoes are made is very flexible. They can change certain things very easily.

Uh, no. I assume you don't know Supply Chain from Bike Chain. Or know what it costs to shut down a production line.

 

[XFactorer]

The only real change would be the midsole foam composition.

But, it's not that big a deal to change a midsole foam, I wouldn't think. And LunarLite/Lunarlon change isn't because they're expanding to new sports. LunarLite started with the 2008 Beijing Olympics in running shoes. Then it got picked up in more and more shoes - and it was still LunarLite.

Lunarlon is supposed to be the next evolution of the Lunar technology where it will be more durable (thus the cushioning won't give out so quickly). And it's supposed to wear more evenly (so you don't get that sunken in feeling as drastically as the LunarLites, if you even do).

Guys, this isn't a marketing thing. Nike still has the trademark to LunarLite. They're just updating the technology. As for if we will get Lunarlon versions here in the US... I don't know. I know some Nike LunarElite+ shoes are still being made with LunarLite whereas others are being manufactured with Lunarlon... you can simply look at the labeling on the shoes. LunarGlide 2s already have the Lunarlon implementation. Run to your local Nike running shoe dealer of choice and try the original LunarGlides and the LunarGlide 2 running shoes and see if you can tell a difference in the cushion of the two running shoes.

 

[Prostaffer]

Uh, no. I assume you don't know Supply Chain from Bike Chain. Or know what it costs to shut down a production line.

wow.

a production line that doesn't run 24/7 can surely change. no one is moving the machinery or the processes. He just meant something as simple as changing the inputs/materials. Most of your outsoles are just molds that come pre made at another factory and ordered in batches.

It's not inconceivable that Nike finds a cheaper alternative to a material and before the next batch of colorways is made/ordered they buy said material and ship it to manufacturers and tell them to use that instead. Soles show up at other factory and underpaid workers put them together.

They don't make all the 2.3's in Sept for the whole year. They make them in batches in case a problem comes up with a product they are able to address it before the next set of products come out.

 

[Pocky]

I hope so... TWE has the new white CBs and the white/gold Vapors and they still look like they feature the LunarLite stuff.

Eventually LunarLite will be all gone... the CB3.3s have Lunarlon...

How do you know that the 3.3s will feature lunarlon? Have you seen them?

 

[XFactorer]

How do you know that the 3.3s will feature lunarlon? Have you seen them?

Why, yes, yes I have... along with 100 other people who are on these forums.

 

[nicolaisidek]

This is kinda off topic. I have only been on here about 7-8 months so I dont know when the next generation vapors are seen but since we have already seen the cb's, when do we get peeks at the next generation vapors

Nike Spring '11 thread has some links

 

[Six.One.Tour.90FAN]

My wimby cb2.3s say lunarlite........

 

[the mania]

Actually, no... Lunar technology is the idea of a hard carrier foam craddling a softer cushioning foam. In LunarLite shoes, it's the carrier foam with phylite as the soft cushioning foam. Lunarlon has cushlon instead of phylite. If you're familiar with running shoes, Cushlon (what they use in the new Pegasus 27s) is softer foam than phylite (what they used in the previous Pegasus). Lunarlon wears more evenly and is more durable.

SO! If they label it with Lunarlon, it's the next generation in the lunar technology. It'll basically be a new shoe in terms of cushioning.

this guy knows his cushioning :shock::shock:

 

[XFactorer]

this guy knows his cushioning :shock::shock:

...oh yeah. I do my research. I think Nike should hire me... I mean, who really knows what all these NikeFIT, DriFit, ThermaFit, StormFit things mean?

As a consumer, I realize most of the other consumers don't know what LunarLite and Lunarlon are!

 

[K.I.T.T.]

I saw some vapors with lunarlon at a tennis shop earlier today. Appearance-wise, they look exactly the same as the lunarlites.

 

[XFactorer]

I saw some vapors with lunarlon at a tennis shop earlier today. Appearance-wise, they look exactly the same as the lunarlites.

Which colorway? The US Open colorway?

 

[K.I.T.T.]

Which colorway? The US Open colorway?

I'm not 100% sure. I just remember picking up a shoe and noticed that it said Lunarlon and not Lunarlite. I want to say that it's the white/gold one that is on TW's site which is also the same one as in the wimbledon lookbook you posted.

This store had them in stock and they sell their shoes cheaper than pretty much anywhere. I got the Lime Green CB 2.3's for 89.99.

 

[XFactorer]

I'm not 100% sure. I just remember picking up a shoe and noticed that it said Lunarlon and not Lunarlite. I want to say that it's the white/gold one that is on TW's site which is also the same one as in the wimbledon lookbook you posted.

This store had them in stock and they sell their shoes cheaper than pretty much anywhere. I got the Lime Green CB 2.3's for 89.99.

Meh. I believe it. It just depends on the factory where the shoe was made. Same models, same colorways for one shoe are made in a few different factories. Some factories are building shoe X with Lunarlon and some are building shoe X with LunarLite. Eventually, all shoes are switching over to Lunarlon.

 

[saigonbond]

Afraid its just a name change from lunarlite, rather than anything exciting and new

Yes, you are correct.

"To answer your question there is no difference between the Lunarlite and Lunarlon. We have simply stopped using the term Lunarlite and this will now be referred to Lunarlon."
-Jamie, Nike Product Specialist
The Nike Online Support Team

 

[saigonbond]

I was gonna let this go, but since you kept piling on the manure...

SO! If they label it with Lunarlon, it's the next generation in the lunar technology. It'll basically be a new shoe in terms of cushioning.

No, its not. Its simply a name change, as the above poster TMCW140 correctly stated.

...it's a different material as I described above. Lunarlon is a new technology to replace Lunarlite. I don't make up these elaborate explanations because I'm bored and don't have real work to do.

Since you're wrong again, wanna rephrase?

Lunarlon is supposed to be the next evolution of the Lunar technology where it will be more durable (thus the cushioning won't give out so quickly). And it's supposed to wear more evenly (so you don't get that sunken in feeling as drastically as the LunarLites, if you even do).
They're just updating the technology.

Wrong again. Steeeeeerike three!

...oh yeah. I do my research. I think Nike should hire me... I mean, who really knows what all these NikeFIT, DriFit, ThermaFit, StormFit things mean?
As a consumer, I realize most of the other consumers don't know what LunarLite and Lunarlon are!

Hire you? Um, no. Your research is awful. You should hire a research assistant. You are one of those other consumers.

Eventually, all shoes are switching over to Lunarlon.

At least you're correct about this.
--------------------------------------

From Kevin Paulk, Nike Global RSG Director:

"The Lunar family of shoes has Lunar Foam by default. Moving forward we are going to communicate more thoroughly the difference between LunarFoam, Lunarlon, LunarLite, and how these systems relate to Dynamic Support."

"Lunar or Dynamic Support is a 2-part system. A softer inner core and a firmer outer carrier engineered to manage natural motion for any runner, any run, and each foot (left and right). As you know the dynamic support feature benefits most of today's runners who seek and need moderate to excessive pronation control in their footwear. We want her/him to run well, without having to give in to traditional, bulky, stiff, vertically 'POSTED' shoes."

Lunarlite Foam Technology:
https://www.nikemedia.com/en/technology/lunarlite_foam_technology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05P8HCO9hKo

Nike Dynamic Support:
The Dynamic Support system sits in the shoe's midsole and offers on-demand support in response to a runner's changing needs. It features more soft foam on the lateral side for cushioning on impact and more firm foam on the medial side for support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jIAfxWJto

 

[XFactorer]

I was gonna let this go, but since you kept piling on the manure...



No, its not. Its simply a name change, as the above poster TMCW140 correctly stated.



Since you're wrong again, wanna rephrase?



Wrong again. Steeeeeerike three!



Hire you? Um, no. Your research is awful. You should hire a research assistant. You are one of those other consumers.



At least you're correct about this.
--------------------------------------

From Kevin Paulk, Nike Global RSG Director:

"The Lunar family of shoes has Lunar Foam by default. Moving forward we are going to communicate more thoroughly the difference between LunarFoam, Lunarlon, LunarLite, and how these systems relate to Dynamic Support."

"Lunar or Dynamic Support is a 2-part system. A softer inner core and a firmer outer carrier engineered to manage natural motion for any runner, any run, and each foot (left and right). As you know the dynamic support feature benefits most of today's runners who seek and need moderate to excessive pronation control in their footwear. We want her/him to run well, without having to give in to traditional, bulky, stiff, vertically 'POSTED' shoes."

Lunarlite Foam Technology:
https://www.nikemedia.com/en/technology/lunarlite_foam_technology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05P8HCO9hKo

Nike Dynamic Support:
The Dynamic Support system sits in the shoe's midsole and offers on-demand support in response to a runner's changing needs. It features more soft foam on the lateral side for cushioning on impact and more firm foam on the medial side for support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jIAfxWJto

Hmmm... then I guess you're right! Guess the CSR was right! Guess I don't know what the hell I'm talking about and I'm just pulling things out of thin air.

Guess LunarLite and Lunarlon are the same with no improvement or matierial changes from a phylite inner foam to a cushlon inner foam. I guess phylite and cushlon are the same thing. So the cushioning in a Pegasus 26 (27s have moved to cushlon) and the Vomeros are the same, just a different name for the same cushioning system.

"The Lunar family of shoes has Lunar Foam by default. Moving forward we are going to communicate more thoroughly the difference between LunarFoam, Lunarlon, LunarLite, and how these systems relate to Dynamic Support."

I guess the Kevin guy meant to say , "there are no differences between these, so we don't really have anything to communicate."

But, ultimately, you've said I'm wrong, thus, I'm wrong. Plus, I watched the videos you linked to where they were giving detailed descriptions of the differences between Lunarlite and Lunarlon and I was... oh, they just talked about Lunarlite. Never mind.

 

[saigonbond]

Hmmm... then I guess you're right! Guess the CSR was right! Guess I don't know what the hell I'm talking about and I'm just pulling things out of thin air.

Guess LunarLite and Lunarlon are the same with no improvement or matierial changes from a phylite inner foam to a cushlon inner foam. I guess phylite and cushlon are the same thing. So the cushioning in a Pegasus 26 (27s have moved to cushlon) and the Vomeros are the same, just a different name for the same cushioning system.

"The Lunar family of shoes has Lunar Foam by default. Moving forward we are going to communicate more thoroughly the difference between LunarFoam, Lunarlon, LunarLite, and how these systems relate to Dynamic Support."

I guess the Kevin guy meant to say , "there are no differences between these, so we don't really have anything to communicate."

But, ultimately, you've said I'm wrong, thus, I'm wrong. Plus, I watched the videos you linked to where they were giving detailed descriptions of the differences between Lunarlite and Lunarlon and I was... oh, they just talked about Lunarlite. Never mind.

Yes, you are wrong and yes, they're saying there is no difference. The various names going forward are going to only be used to describe how the Lunar Foam system relates to Dynamic Support. Lunarlite is the same as Lunarlon, just a name change. I certainly didn't pull this info out of thin air... it comes directly from Nike not from me.

Cheers!

 

[XFactorer]

Yes, you are wrong and yes, they're saying there is no difference. The various names going forward are going to only be used to describe how the Lunar Foam system relates to Dynamic Support. Lunarlite is the same as Lunarlon, just a name change. I certainly didn't pull this info out of thin air... it comes directly from Nike not from me.

Cheers!

Here's what I got from Nike in an email:

"Lunarlite is the comfort system and it happens to be one of the shoe's name as well. Lunarlite is the is the name of the foam for the comfort system on the Lunarlon shoe."

Lunarlite is not a name of any shoe. Lunarlite is a comfort system. Oh, no, Lunarlite is the foam FOR the comfort system on the Lunarlon shoe.

The Nike rep was even confusing the Lunar story.

If you look around the web, there's mass confusion and different presentations about the same thing. I'm still going to stand behind my statement that Lunarlite and Lunarlon are the same Lunar concepts (hard carrier with soft inner foam) with different materials for the inner foam core. As far as I know, Dynamic support refers to the Lunar technology being able to provide a harder medial and a softer lateral heel cushioning based on the wedging of the carrier shell and the cushioning foam.

LunarFoam is no longer used in the current Lunar shoes. If you're searching the net about the LunarLite/Lunarlon differences, you're not going to find much. Of what you do find, they're only talking about the LunarLite system.

 

[XFactorer]

"The Lunar family of shoes has Lunar Foam by default. Moving forward we are going to communicate more thoroughly the difference between LunarFoam, Lunarlon, LunarLite, and how these systems relate to Dynamic Support."

Re-read that.

The person indirectly indicates there IS a difference among the 3 (LunarForm being a material and LunarLite and Lunarlon being systems).

 

[saigonbond]

"The Lunar family of shoes has Lunar Foam by default. Moving forward we are going to communicate more thoroughly the difference between LunarFoam, Lunarlon, LunarLite, and how these systems relate to Dynamic Support."

Re-read that.

The person indirectly indicates there IS a difference among the 3 (LunarForm being a material and LunarLite and Lunarlon being systems).

Lunarlite = Lunarlon

 

[XFactorer]

Lunarlite = Lunarlon

If this is how you address it, fine with me. But for S's and G's, go to a Nike Running Store (not a Nike authorized retailer, but a company owned store), and ask one of the managers about the difference between LunarLite and Lunarlon.

I just called the NikeStore CS hotline and the girl on the other side treated my inquiry of "What's the difference between LunarLite and Lunarlon?" as if I was asking about two different shoes.

I do know [read: "feel like"] Nike Running Store associates are trained a little better than NikeStore.com associates are in terms of product knowledge.

So if your only source is "It's what Nike emailed me," that's not good enough. Until they can email you an answer either "Lite and Lon use the same materials" or "Lite uses material X and Lon uses material Y" then I'm not convinced they are the same thing and it's a simple name change. The only part I do agree is that they are both part of the Lunar technology which is simply a harder carrier foam cupping a softer core foam.

 

[saigonbond]

If this is how you address it, fine with me. But for S's and G's, go to a Nike Running Store (not a Nike authorized retailer, but a company owned store), and ask one of the managers about the difference between LunarLite and Lunarlon.

I just called the NikeStore CS hotline and the girl on the other side treated my inquiry of "What's the difference between LunarLite and Lunarlon?" as if I was asking about two different shoes.

I do know [read: "feel like"] Nike Running Store associates are trained a little better than NikeStore.com associates are in terms of product knowledge.

So if your only source is "It's what Nike emailed me," that's not good enough. Until they can email you an answer either "Lite and Lon use the same materials" or "Lite uses material X and Lon uses material Y" then I'm not convinced they are the same thing and it's a simple name change. The only part I do agree is that they are both part of the Lunar technology which is simply a harder carrier foam cupping a softer core foam.

Yawn......

 

[DCaicedo]

Wow- this is a long discussion thread on something as morally important as shoe cushioning. but still interesting in a way..

A couple of months back I had bought the grey/white Breathe 2k10 (right after Indian Wells and Nasdaq), and I'm pretty sure it had Lite. Fast forward to 3 weeks ago, and I purchase the yellow/white 2K10, and it has Lon. I was originally ticked since I thought it was a bootleg, but it seems it's all for naught. Haven't worn the Lon shoe- hopefully it's just as good as the Lite!

 

[tomboysuper]

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