Nick Kyrgios has turned over a new leaf

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Hopefully his first big win will make him thirstier to step up. Seems the big 3 could be an excuse for many tennis players to either step up or give up. He can contend with all 3, but I still can't see him winning a slam. His character is terrible but I find him unbelievably savage and entertaining. He is the Liam Gallagher of tennis.
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@Federer and Del Potro, your call.
 

TnsGuru

Professional
Funny how he accused Novak for trying too hard to get people to like him but he was using the crowd to get on his side the whole tournament. It just goes to show it's more fun to be a hero than a villian and it showed in his tennis. As soon as things don't go his way he has a meltdown and wants to quit.

I hope he can get past those dark times and show something when he isn't playing particularly well. He shows when his head is clear he can produce, now he needs to prove to the tennis world he can do this on a regular basis and not just show spurts of briliance now and again. Tennis fans like continuity, whatever he's feeling now I hope he can continue this for the rest of his career.
 
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Cashman

Hall of Fame
gets praised for something other players do on a daily basis
Different players have different challenges. It's pretty clear that Kyrgios has some huge mental hurdles, and if he can overcome those it will be pretty impressive.

I think improving serve is the false dawn in today's pro game. At that level, you can either return that 120+ mph spinning ball or you can't. Nick can't do it well enough to be a consistent winner.
I think Kyrgios's terrible return stats are part of the reason that people get so excited about him. Raonic, Wawrinka and Anderson are all fairly ordinary returners who lifted themselves into the top five and started making Slam finals by improving their return stats just a few percentage points.

The reason is that there are big marginal gains to be made on return. At Nick's current 32% return points won (similar to someone like Isner), you can only expect to break on average once every 8 return games - not great when tiebreakers are at six-all. But lift it to just 36%, and suddenly you're breaking roughly every 5 - a substantially tougher prospect for your opponents, especially in BO5 matches.

Of course, all that is easier said than done. But I don't think Kyrgios is condemned to be a bad returner all his career. When you look at other guys who return as poorly as he does, they all have far bigger limitations in terms of movement and touch.
 
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yokied

Hall of Fame
Yeah, Nick has said this at least twice this year alone so I'm taking it with a grain but the revisionism and selective memories of insecure tournament officials and fangirls and haters here is spectacular, almost Courier-esque.

Garbage is garbarge. "Renewed" or not.

I guess I should enquire into the health of the most courageous player of all time then. How's the ankles, the back, the hip, the cramp, bird flu, Beijing hangover, anthrax, SARS, common cough and cold?

Works hard, still can't return.

He was breaking ********* at over 90% first serves. Nick can return and is a supreme mover when fit and motivated. Yeah he's variable, but acting like he can't do it is just delusional.

Yeah he turned a corner in Acapulco this year too

Then he got ejected from an event for his antics and did nothing for months

He walked off the court in Rome.
 
He walked off the court in Rome. Jesus the revisionism from insecure tournament officials, then the fangirls and haters here is spectacular, almost Courier-esque.

Kyrgios thrown out of Italian Open after on-court outburst

Nick Kyrgios Is Disqualified After Tantrum at the Italian Open

Nick Kyrgios defaulted from Italian Open after hurling chair across court



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"Kyrgios was fined 20,000 euros (£17,461) for unsportsmanlike conduct and also lost his prize money.

In addition to the prize money of £29,366, he forfeited the 45 ranking points gained during the tournament and was told to cover the costs of his hospitality."
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
"Kyrgios was fined 20,000 euros (£17,461) for unsportsmanlike conduct and also lost his prize money.

In addition to the prize money of £29,366, he forfeited the 45 ranking points gained during the tournament and was told to cover the costs of his hospitality."

I never knew you had such an interest in clay court tennis. Watch the match then come back and tell me he was defaulted. He shook everyone's hand and walked off. No announcement was made beyond the game penalty that preceded it. The defaulting was revisionism by the officials and sometimes clay court fans and Kyrgios haters such as yourself.
 
I never knew you had such an interest in clay court tennis. Watch the match then come back and tell me he was defaulted. He shook everyone's hand and walked off. No announcement was made beyond the game penalty that preceded it. The defaulting was revisionism by the officials and sometimes clay court fans and Kyrgios haters such as yourself.

"I wasn't fired, I quit"
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Without a doubt. I’ve seen and worked with juniors, college players...no bad returner turns into a good one, poor returners rarely turn into average ones, and good and/or great young returners always stay good/great returners and this talent is evident from a very young age. Spindly, lanky Andy Murray at 18 read and controlled pace off of serves as well as anyone. Hewitt, Nalby, Djokovic, Agassi, etc., were all good returners as teens,

The ability to control the pace off of the serve, anticipation, etc., is a talent. My brother is very close in age with me and has always, always been a better returner. Got the same coaches as kids, learned the game the same way, etc., and he’s always been a better returner.


Good insights, agree wholeheartedly. Being a bad returner is a death knell. There are a very limited number of ways one can improve their return on the pro tour since it usually comes down to reaction time, h/e coordination and range on the first serve return. These guys have spent years and years of their lives facing the same serves with very little variation, and since there are comparatively few ways to actually tackle returning woes (beyond changing your basic approach, maybe abbreviating your swing and reps, reps reps) it’s easy to reach a virtual endpoint very early...not as much the case with groundstrokes and movement, where it’s possible to find untapped potential and/or augment these features through a smart training regimen/technical alterations.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
"Especially just looking back at some of the places I’ve been, it’s crazy to think how much I’ve turned it around. I’ve just been working really hard, on and off the court, to try and be better as a person and as a tennis player."

First round exit predicted and accomplished.
 

mwym

Professional
"... I’ve just been working really hard, on and off the court, to try and be better as a person and as a tennis player."

Wilful permanent alteration/'improvement' of one's own character / personality / temperament is possible, but only for relatively minuscule percentage of humans.

However, by what he is saying about it. it is obvious NK does not have a clue what it takes to perform it, let alone having the ability. 'Hard working' is what public loves to hear but that description has nothing to do with the 'better person' issue at all. That is what fashion models say regarding their 'overwhelming personality' - they also 'work hard' on it and we all know the results.

Let me put it this way - the closest thing (to becoming a better person), an example that everyone knows is quiting smoking waking up one morning after 10-40 years of smoking pack or 2 each day and really truly never experiencing the urge to have another one until the rnd of life- and it means never, no urge whatsoever even verified by being hypnotized and/or under influence of psychoactive substances.

So, does anyone recognize mind and will power of that magnitude being dormant in NK for 25 years?
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
"Especially just looking back at some of the places I’ve been, it’s crazy to think how much I’ve turned it around. I’ve just been working really hard, on and off the court, to try and be better as a person and as a tennis player."

Your timing with this thread was more than a bit unfortunate!
 
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Deleted member 77403

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Hopefully his first big win will make him thirstier to step up. Seems the big 3 could be an excuse for many tennis players to either step up or give up. He can contend with all 3, but I still can't see him winning a slam. His character is terrible but I find him unbelievably savage and entertaining. He is the Liam Gallagher of tennis.
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"Especially just looking back at some of the places I’ve been, it’s crazy to think how much I’ve turned it around. I’ve just been working really hard, on and off the court, to try and be better as a person and as a tennis player."


.........." n something he forgot mentioning; "the pom's so far away from a top10 that i can only focus on the color of the towel":love::love::love::love::love::love::love::love:....................
 
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As for being a better person, stop spitting on court. It's disgusting
Let's go to the VI-DE-YO-TAPE!


And the announcement of the default comes... when? Break it down for me. Hint: it rhymes with I quit, no you're fired.
As soon he threw a chair table, umpire said "referee to court", because umpire can't make default decision without consulting match referee. He already received game penalty before he threw a chair and additional F-bombs, so what do you think was going to happen? You think they only defaulted him because he already started to walk out when it was announced? Get real.

CODE VIOLATIONS
1st offense: Point 2nd offense: Game 3rd offense: Match Default 4th offense: Disqualification from the tournament
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Without a doubt. I’ve seen and worked with juniors, college players...no bad returner turns into a good one, poor returners rarely turn into average ones, and good and/or great young returners always stay good/great returners and this talent is evident from a very young age. Spindly, lanky Andy Murray at 18 read and controlled pace off of serves as well as anyone. Hewitt, Nalby, Djokovic, Agassi, etc., were all good returners as teens,

The ability to control the pace off of the serve, anticipation, etc., is a talent. My brother is very close in age with me and has always, always been a better returner. Got the same coaches as kids, learned the game the same way, etc., and he’s always been a better returner.
I think it might be much more malleable in kids that are so young that they're not really training like pro's yet if it were. And I guess groundstroke technique matters as well, cause the racket face being at the right angle a long time is super important, which is also why the modern ATP forehand isn't really made for great returning
 
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Deleted member 77403

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Well he tanked again...if he is not turning over that leaf, the rest doesn't matter as much.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Well he tanked again...if he is not turning over that leaf, the rest doesn't matter as much.
It's not even about 'turning over a new leaf'.

He does enough to stay in the picture when the right draw presents itself. When he loses to a journeymen he'll make a show and act like he's tanking. It's losses to Raonic in Australia this year, Nishikori at Wimbledon last year and Dimitrov at Australia and Cincinnati that just show how inherently limited his game is even when he does try.

He's literally treated like a big match player when he hasn't made a Slam QF in almost 5 years and all his best results are almost exclusively in 500s where he gets hot in tiebreaks.
 
killerious will b the favorite if he has a favorite draw dat only meetup w/ top10.........any1 out of top10 will put him in danger:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D.........................
 
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