Nikolai Davydenko why has he not been a threat Roger's game?

[cronus]

I was watching a couple of match highlights between Davydenko and ****, on hard courts he simply owns ****, in fact he beats **** even though **** is trying to play his best tennis.

I started to wonder why he does not do that kind of a damage to Roger?

Let me repeat again, he destroys **** when **** plays his A game but that is not the case between roger vs **** where most of the matches these days roger plays is Z game and **** wins.

I can see that Davydenko completely owns the serve **** shoots to his back hand and the sometimes the attack feels totally brutal against **** who tries everything he possibly can and fails, also the way he changes direction is simply amazing.

When playing roger why is he not such a big threat? except for that one world tour finals where if you watch the match Roger was not playing his usual tennis.

here are a couple of matches vs ****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UorPxEdICtg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyaVEU0Ef-8

here he comes from one set down and again one break down in the third set and still beats ****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wElC2tNJYjY

 

[SLD76]

oh god.....

10herewegoagains

 

[TheAnty-vic]

I was watching a couple of match highlights between Rafa and Federer, and on every court surface he simply owns Federer. In fact he beats Fed even though Fed is trying to play his best tennis.

I started to wonder how is Federer anywhere near GOAT?!

Let me repeat again, he destroys Fed when Fed plays his A game!

 

[drm025]

I was watching a couple of match highlights between Davydenko and ****, on hard courts he simply owns ****, in fact he beats **** even though **** is trying to play his best tennis.

I started to wonder why he does not do that kind of a damage to Roger?

Let me repeat again, he destroys **** when **** plays his A game but that is not the case between roger vs **** where most of the matches these days roger plays is Z game and **** wins.

I can see that Davydenko completely owns the serve **** shoots to his back hand and the sometimes the attack feels totally brutal against **** who tries everything he possibly can and fails, also the way he changes direction is simply amazing.

When playing roger why is he not such a big threat? except for that one world tour finals where if you watch the match Roger was not playing his usual tennis.

here are a couple of matches vs ****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UorPxEdICtg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyaVEU0Ef-8

here he comes from one set down and again one break down in the third set and still beats ****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wElC2tNJYjY

Davydenko had most of his HC wins against Rafa from Miami 2008 to Doha 2010. He was 5-0 against Rafa on HCs then. In the same time period, he was 2-0 against Fed on HCs. Federer didn't really have success or even play that version of Davydenko at all. Just sayin.

 

[Steve0904]

oh god.....

10herewegoagains

Right????? :lol:

 

[Nickzor]

I was watching a couple of match highlights between Rafa and Federer, and on every court surface he simply owns Federer. In fact he beats Fed even though Fed is trying to play his best tennis.

I started to wonder how is Federer anywhere near GOAT?!

Let me repeat again, he destroys Fed when Fed plays his A game!

Alright relax mate, this isn't a NADAL IS NOT GOAT THREAD OMGGG NOOOOOOO!~~~, actually read what the OP wrote, he's simply wondering why Davydenko troubles Nadal yet Federer handles it quite well

 

[cronus]

Davydenko had most of his HC wins against Rafa from Miami 2008 to Doha 2010. He was 5-0 against Rafa on HCs then. In the same time period, he was 2-0 against Fed on HCs. Federer didn't really have success or even play that version of Davydenko at all. Just sayin.

yes but in 2010 he lost to roger in other tournaments.

2010 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A. Hard Q Federer, Roger
6-4, 7-5 Stats
2010 Australian Open
Australia Hard Q Federer, Roger
2-6, 6-3, 6-0, 7-5 Stats

 

[drm025]

yes but in 2010 he lost to roger in other tournaments.

2010 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A. Hard Q Federer, Roger
6-4, 7-5 Stats
2010 Australian Open
Australia Hard Q Federer, Roger
2-6, 6-3, 6-0, 7-5 Stats

Yeah and 2010 Davydenko, save for Doha 2010 beating Nadal and Fed back-to-back, was not 2008-2009 Davydenko at all (finished the year as number 22).

And he was never great in best-of-5, so it's not really relevant when comparing to Nadal, when they never played best-of-5.

 

[VashTheStampede]

yes but in 2010 he lost to roger in other tournaments.

2010 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A. Hard Q Federer, Roger
6-4, 7-5 Stats
2010 Australian Open
Australia Hard Q Federer, Roger
2-6, 6-3, 6-0, 7-5 Stats

That 2010 Australian Open scoreline doesn't tell the whole story. Davydenko was dominating Federer at the beginning of the match and was on the verge of going up two sets to one. He missed one easy ball and his game went downhill from there.

That was a much anticipated match since Davydenko was on a tear at the time, beating the Big 3 regularly from the fall season through to the 2010 Australian Open. He also dominated Fed just a few weeks earlier in Doha. In their primes, I think he had the game to trouble Roger but he would choke at big moments.

 

[rocketassist]

Federer's variety and ability to take time away from Davydenko made him a far tougher proposition for the Russian than Nadal ever was.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

That 2010 Australian Open scoreline doesn't tell the whole story. Davydenko was dominating Federer at the beginning of the match and was on the verge of going up two sets to one. He missed one easy ball and his game went downhill from there.

That was a much anticipated match since Davydenko was on a tear at the time, beating the Big 3 regularly from the fall season through to the 2010 Australian Open. He also dominated Fed just a few weeks earlier in Doha. In their primes, I think he had the game to trouble Roger but he would choke at big moments.

Davydenko always played Federer tough. If you watch their matches even when Federer lead the h2h 10-0... Davy would make a close match out of it. Federer always found a way to win though, except for 2 times.

Davydenko was a tough matchup for Nadal because his backhand is solid and he takes time away from him by hitting the ball flat and early. He doesn't go for crazy angles that Nadal can run down either. And he is good at redirecting it.

 

[Chanwan]

Yeah and 2010 Davydenko, save for Doha 2010 beating Nadal and Fed back-to-back, was not 2008-2009 Davydenko at all (finished the year as number 22).

And he was never great in best-of-5, so it's not really relevant when comparing to Nadal, when they never played best-of-5.

Nevertheless, he still beat Nadal again at Doha 2011, losing to Fed in that very tournament.
So from Miami 2008 to Doha 2011, he's 6-0 vs. Rafa on HC and 2-3 vs. Fed (the two Roger loses were in a 2 month period, where Davy was arguably hot-hot-hot. The Rafa loses were spread over almost three years with only two of them coming when Davy was hot-hot-hot).

 

[Chanwan]

Btw - here's an old thread on the topic from a time, when the fan wars raged less:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=343390

 

[monfed]

Davy's BH is poison to that infamous CC FH. :lol:

 

[OrangePower]

Federer's variety and ability to take time away from Davydenko made him a far tougher proposition for the Russian than Nadal ever was.

This.

Davy's game was based on taking the ball early, changing direction and creating angles, while taking time away from the opponent.

That's just a bad matchup for Nadal, who likes to have time and usually stands far back.

Fed had better weapons for the matchup with Davy. Even then Davy was a tough out for Fed when Davy was at his best.

Tennis is a game of stylistic matchups.

Gotta say I miss Davy.

 

[tennis_pro]

Yeah and 2010 Davydenko, save for Doha 2010 beating Nadal and Fed back-to-back, was not 2008-2009 Davydenko at all (finished the year as number 22).

And he was never great in best-of-5, so it's not really relevant when comparing to Nadal, when they never played best-of-5.

Federer owned Davydenko when he was playing his career best tennis in 2005-2007. Other than the 2009 WTF SF win for Davydenko against an average Federer (I was actually quite surprised that Federer made it to the SF with his level) he did nothing against him. Federer was clearly tanking all the minor tournaments at the time so his loss to Davydenko in 2010 wasn't even an upset. Look who won the AO just a week later.

And besides, Davydenko is 6-1 against Nadal on HC (and it really should've been 7-0) so ANY version of him especially from 2005-2011 is a big obstacle for Nadal on that surface.

 

[drm025]

Federer owned Davydenko when he was playing his career best tennis in 2005-2007. Other than the 2009 WTF SF win for Davydenko against an average Federer (I was actually quite surprised that Federer made it to the SF with his level) he did nothing against him. Federer was clearly tanking all the minor tournaments at the time so his loss to Davydenko in 2010 wasn't even an upset. Look who won the AO just a week later.

And besides, Davydenko is 6-1 against Nadal on HC (and it really should've been 7-0) so ANY version of him especially from 2005-2011 is a big obstacle for Nadal on that surface.

Now Federer tanks minor tournaments? That's a new one. Doesn't sound GOAT-like to me.

 

[helloworld]

I was watching a couple of match highlights between Rafa and Federer, and on every court surface he simply owns Federer. In fact he beats Fed even though Fed is trying to play his best tennis.

I started to wonder how is Federer anywhere near GOAT?!

Let me repeat again, he destroys Fed when Fed plays his A game!

Fed can play A game, Super A game or even S game and he still couldn't beat Rafa. :lol:

 

[Steve0904]

Now Federer tanks minor tournaments? That's a new one. Doesn't sound GOAT-like to me.

Don't do this, man. Do not be intentionally ridiculous.

 

[cronus]

Fed can play A game, Super A game or even S game and he still couldn't beat Rafa. :lol:

 

[drm025]

Don't do this, man. Do not be intentionally ridiculous.

So it's perfectly fine to say that Federer tanks tournaments then?

 

[abmk]

Davydenko had most of his HC wins against Rafa from Miami 2008 to Doha 2010. He was 5-0 against Rafa on HCs then. In the same time period, he was 2-0 against Fed on HCs. Federer didn't really have success or even play that version of Davydenko at all. Just sayin.

and why exclude AO 10 where it was federer who stopped a red-hot in-form davydenko ? Just because its convenient for you. :lol:

davydenko's best play was from 2006 to AO 10, not just 2008-doha 10.

federer owned him, rafa got owned on HC by him in that time period.

 

[The Dark Knight]

He has not been a threat to Nadals game either......

Clay no problem

Grass....he never got anywhere at Wimbledon

Hard.....never posed a threat at AO or USO amd if they met no way Davy lasts five sets.

 

[joeri888]

Because he primed between january 2004 and february 2010. Thats the main reason really. Guys like nishikori, raonic and even tsonga or del potro would have a absolutely horrible record if They primed the Same time as Federer. Even robredo can defeat Roger in 2013.

 

[The Dark Knight]

Because he primed between january 2004 and february 2010. Thats the main reason really. Guys like nishikori, raonic and even tsonga or del potro would have a absolutely horrible record if They primed the Same time as Federer. Even robredo can defeat Roger in 2013.

Priming Federer changes more than a woman changes her mind

 

[The Dark Knight]

He has not been a threat to Nadals game either......

Clay no problem

Grass....he never got anywhere at Wimbledon

Hard.....never posed a threat at AO or USO amd if they met no way Davy lasts five sets.

Great point !

 

[cronus]

He has not been a threat to Nadals game either......

Clay no problem

Grass....he never got anywhere at Wimbledon

Hard.....never posed a threat at AO or USO amd if they met no way Davy lasts five sets.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Davydenko went close to beating Fed in a few big slam matches. He outplayed Fed during a few matches, but Fed's serve saved him.

 

[sbengte]

Davydenko went close to beating Fed in a few big slam matches. He outplayed Fed during a few matches, but Fed's serve saved him.

Really ? Acco to some forum experts, Fed managed to win just by cheating (i.e going to the bathroom during a set break instead of sitting in his chair and sipping water or changing his shirt like a gentleman :lol: )

 

[Federer20042006]

Federer doesn't tank tournaments.

Davydenko beat him fair and square twice. Federer wasn't as good as he was in his prime years.

 

[ilovetennis212]

Priming Federer changes more than a woman changes her mind

Sexism?!
Sexual discrimination?!!

 

[Polvorin]

Davy always played him tough but couldn't hold it together when things got tight.

 

[OrangePower]

He has not been a threat to Nadals game either......

Clay no problem

Grass....he never got anywhere at Wimbledon

Hard.....never posed a threat at AO or USO amd if they met no way Davy lasts five sets.

We can only go by the meetings they actually had, not speculative meetings that never happened.

Rafa owns Davy 4-0 on clay.

But Davy has a 6-1 HC edge over Rafa, and this goes from 2006 through 2011. In fact Nadal only won their first meeting in 2006 and since then it's been Davy for six in a row, through their last HC meeting in 2011. Davy beat Rafa in their only HC meetings in 2008 (twice), 2009 (twice), 2010, and 2011, which spans what many would consider to be part of Nadal's HC prime.

No reasonable person would even suggest that Davy is overall a greater player than Rafa even on HC. But at the same time, Davy clearly owns Rafa on HC and is superior to him on HC h2h because of the stylistic matchup.

 

[Fed_Djoker_Fan]

I was watching a couple of match highlights between Rafa and Federer, and on every court surface he simply owns Federer. In fact he beats Fed even though Fed is trying to play his best tennis.

I started to wonder how is Federer anywhere near GOAT?!

Let me repeat again, he destroys Fed when Fed plays his A game!

Lol 10 truths

 

[Stanimal]

Two words: wrist injuries.

When you've got one of the most devastating two-handed backhands and you break a wrist, a lot of your game goes out the window, especially if the back was your best stroke.

Not to mention Davydenko is 5'10". With the exception of a Ferrer or Fognini, this usually means being the shorter man out there.

To be his size and play as well as he did is a great testament to his ability; and his record and ranking being sullied over years seems to have soured his moments of greatness when we reflect. I very much am in his corner and like watching him play. To say any player isn't a threat to Federer is more a compliment to Roger than a negative remark to his opponent.
Fed had damn near everyone's number.

 

[Vensai]

In his defense, few players were a threat to Federer during his dominant years. Davydenko seemed to just fade away gradually.