Not One American a Major Threat

glenda

Rookie
Many American tennis fans keep hoping that an American will scale to the top and be a dominator in tennis. The time hasn't arrived, not yet, not with the more established American players.

Fritz rose to No. 5 at the beginning of the 2023 season but has dropped down to No. 8. Fritz is a hell of a fighter in matches. Then there's Tiafoe rising to No. 12. He's a harder hitter with more athleticism than Fritz possesses. Yet I sense that neither holds a champion mentality. Currently, both can win an ATP 250 tournament. That's about it. Each might reach the semi-finals of a 500 tournament. In a 1000, I can't see either surviving past the quarterfinals. And in majors, the round of 16 and no further.

Still, American fans can hope that a championship mentality might develop within Korda and Shelton.

On the women's side, I sense that Gauff believes she holds the talent to exceed all other women in the WTA, a necessary quality in rising to the top. Her shortcomings, which we all have seen, have blocked her advancement. Yet her shortcomings ought to be major weapons. I've occasionally seen them in action. Therefore, I believe her development has been hindered in the last year or so by poor coaching. Gauff is still young and ambitious. Maybe a couple years of master coaching will lift Gauff to her dominating destiny.

On the other hand, Pegula remains the top American woman, ranked in the top 5 in the world. She's mastered the tennis fundamentals. But she lacks the power and athleticism to intimidate opponents. In my mind, she has reached her tennis limit and won't be a threat to win a WTA 500, 1000, and certainly not a major tournament.

This might surprise some. In tennis ability and athleticism, Keys has it all. Generally in matches, she starts red hot and dominates. But as the matches proceed to the second and third set, confounding unforced errors off routine shots flood into her game and she loses in the second or third round of tournaments.

Nevertheless, a couple of teenage American women might grant American tennis fans their wishes in the not-to-far-away future.
 
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Shaj

Semi-Pro
Theres nobody and there will be nobody for next 20 years atleast. Balance of Power has shifted long time back..
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
On the men's side, nobody outside of Djokovic, Nadal, Federer (Murray and Wawrinka) have been Major threats for 20 years.

On the women's side, since Serena (and Venus earlier) stopped dominating, realistically everyone (even a qualifier) is a major threat.
 

L4S10s

Professional
The next American great will have to have undergone the rigor of a Euro/South American junior development. Until that happens fringe top 10 is the best they can achieve.
 

Tweener

Semi-Pro
Shelton has shown some flashes of real potential. Not going to be an ATG, but he might actually have the best chance to win some big titles on the men's side from the current American cohort.
 

glenda

Rookie
You might me be right, Shaj. But do you know enough about America to know why America no longer produces super-star tennis players?
 
You might me be right, Shaj. But do you know enough about America to know why America no longer produces super-star tennis players?


Far More money in other sports and its far cheaper. Tennis is a yuppy sport for trust fund babies in america.. No one is going to plop down a ton of money on lessons and equipment to maybeeee have a good career and win a little of it back
 

glenda

Rookie
On the men's side, nobody outside of Djokovic, Nadal, Federer (Murray and Wawrinka) have been Major threats for 20 years.

On the women's side, since Serena (and Venus earlier) stopped dominating, realistically everyone (even a qualifier) is a major threat.
You've hit on something, the quality of depth in the top 200.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
You've hit on something, the quality of depth in the top 200.
There's nothing wrong with the Top 200. Amazing talent in both ATP and WTA.

Imagine a league where basketball was an individual sport. You'd still have the same amazing talent in the NBA. It's just that LeBron and Jordan would have won all the titles in the last 30 years.
 

Olli Jokinen

Hall of Fame
Many American tennis fans keep hoping that an American will scale to the top and be a dominator in tennis. The time hasn't arrived, not yet, not with the more established American players.

Fritz rose to No. 5 at the beginning of the 2023 season but has dropped down to No. 8. Fritz is a hell of a fighter in matches. Then there's Tiafoe rising to No. 12. He's a harder hitter with more athleticism than Fritz possesses. Yet I sense that neither hold a champion mentality. Currently, both can win an ATP 250 tournament. That's about it. Each might reach the semi-finals of a 500 tournament. In a 1000, I can't see either surviving past the quarterfinals. And in majors, the round of 16 and no further.

Still, American fans can hope that a championship mentality might develop within Korda and Shelton.

On the women's side, I sense that Gauff believes she holds the talent to exceed all other women in the WTA, a necessary quality in rising to the top. Her shortcomings, which we all have seen, have blocked her advancement. Yet her shortcomings ought to be major weapons. I've occasionally seen them in action. Therefore, I believe her development has been hindered in the last year or so by poor coaching. Gauff is still young and ambitious. Maybe a couple years of master coaching will lift Gauff to her dominating destiny.

On the other hand, Pegula remains the top American woman, ranked in the top 5 in the world. She's mastered the tennis fundamentals. But she lacks the power and athleticism to intimidate opponents. In my mind, she has reached her tennis limit and won't be a threat to win a WTA 500, 1000, and certainly not a major tournament.

This might surprise some. In tennis ability and athleticism, Keys has it all. Generally in matches, she starts red hot and dominates. But as the matches proceed to the second and third set, confounding unforced errors off routine shots flood into her game and she loses in the second or third round of tournaments.

Nevertheless, a couple of teenage American women might grant American tennis fans their wishes in the not-to-far-away future.
In no way is Tiafoe a harder hitter than Fritz.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Many American tennis fans keep hoping that an American will scale to the top and be a dominator in tennis.
But many Americans couldn't care less if an American player is on top. Most Americans when attending a Fed-Roddick match rooted for Roger (75%-25%). Taylor Fritz and Frances Tiafoe aren't ever winning slams and most savvy American tennis fans know this. Sure, at a rowdy night session at the USO they'll get support, but not so much in IW or Cincy. Neither are ever going to be anywhere near the #1 ranking.

I think Alcaraz will be the darling of American fans, especially since his English is rapidly improving. Almost 20% of Americans are Hispanic and most speak Spanish, that's another plus for Carlos.

I'm American yet for the next 15 years I'm flying the Danish flag. :p

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Benf15harp

Hall of Fame
I’ll tell you all right now that Ben Shelton ain’t ever winning Jack sheeit. He’s the American felacio Lopez but with less longevity
 

Benf15harp

Hall of Fame
But many Americans couldn't care less if an American player is on top. Most Americans when attending a Fed-Roddick match rooted for Roger (75%-25%). Taylor Fritz and Frances Tiafoe aren't ever winning slams and most savvy American tennis fans know this. Sure, at a rowdy night session at the USO they'll get support, but not so much in IW or Cincy. Neither are ever going to be anywhere near the #1 ranking.

I think Alcaraz will be the darling of American fans, especially since his English is rapidly improving. Almost 20% of Americans are Hispanic and most speak Spanish, that's another plus for Carlos.

I'm American yet for the next 15 years I'm flying the Danish flag. :p

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I thought Holger was Finnish
 

glenda

Rookie
Far More money in other sports and its far cheaper. Tennis is a yuppy sport for trust fund babies in america.. No one is going to plop down a ton of money on lessons and equipment to maybeeee have a good career and win a little of it back
You're right. Developing a young American tennis player to college play and to professional play requires young tennis players supported by a wealthy family to pay for continuous expert coaching at least three times a week, costing at least $500 dollars a week of hundreds of weeks. The USTA doesn't contribute much to the development of young, perhaps exceptionally gifted players. Then there's the cost of young tennis players breaking into professional play of paying all the expenses of traveling to tournaments worldwide without the likelihood of making much money in the tournaments, again without USTA assistance.

Golf requires similar investment. But in America, golf exceeds tennis in popularity by more people, including the rich, playing golf. In the American tennis-boom days in the 70s into the 80s (by colorful Jimmy Connors' thrilling two-handed, T-2000 backhand and one-hand forehand flat smashes), the general public found hitting a stationary golf ball easier to hit than a 10 m.p.h. tennis ball. Then the public in the 80s turned to paddle ball, which requires a lot of effort, too much for many.

Now, pickle ball has been invented. Watching a pickle ball match on TV holds my interest for less than two seconds.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
lol, American men's tennis is in the best shape it's been for a long time. OP is full of errors, didn't even get the ranking right
 

glenda

Rookie
There's nothing wrong with the Top 200. Amazing talent in both ATP and WTA.

Imagine a league where basketball was an individual sport. You'd still have the same amazing talent in the NBA. It's just that LeBron and Jordan would have won all the titles in the last 30 years.
I think we're agreeing, but I'm not sure. The quality of the top 200 today far exceeds the past.
 

glenda

Rookie
lol, American men's tennis is in the best shape it's been for a long time. OP is full of errors, didn't even get the ranking right
What are you a goat at? Do you eat a lot of rooster? A goat probably does and everything else.
 
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80s New Wave

Semi-Pro
I mean America isn't going to win the world cup either. Doesn't really matter, I just like to watch great players regardless of where they're from.

Realistically tennis in America is drawing athletes many tiers down from the top level possible, most with more natural athletic talent are drawn to other sports. I imagine in other parts of the world tennis is more appealing to the higher level athletes they have.
 

glenda

Rookie
O.K., but you're not yet a G.O.A.T. as the loudest burper. Still, I like you're enthusiasm and ambition. I think I heard you in a Kansas City Chiefs game in noisy Arrowhead Stadium. My job takes me to a lot of NFL games. Next season not far away. Maybe I'll hear you again, burping even louder.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
Many American tennis fans keep hoping that an American will scale to the top and be a dominator in tennis. The time hasn't arrived, not yet, not with the more established American players.

Fritz rose to No. 5 at the beginning of the 2023 season but has dropped down to No. 8. Fritz is a hell of a fighter in matches. Then there's Tiafoe rising to No. 12. He's a harder hitter with more athleticism than Fritz possesses. Yet I sense that neither holds a champion mentality. Currently, both can win an ATP 250 tournament. That's about it. Each might reach the semi-finals of a 500 tournament. In a 1000, I can't see either surviving past the quarterfinals. And in majors, the round of 16 and no further.

Still, American fans can hope that a championship mentality might develop within Korda and Shelton.

On the women's side, I sense that Gauff believes she holds the talent to exceed all other women in the WTA, a necessary quality in rising to the top. Her shortcomings, which we all have seen, have blocked her advancement. Yet her shortcomings ought to be major weapons. I've occasionally seen them in action. Therefore, I believe her development has been hindered in the last year or so by poor coaching. Gauff is still young and ambitious. Maybe a couple years of master coaching will lift Gauff to her dominating destiny.

On the other hand, Pegula remains the top American woman, ranked in the top 5 in the world. She's mastered the tennis fundamentals. But she lacks the power and athleticism to intimidate opponents. In my mind, she has reached her tennis limit and won't be a threat to win a WTA 500, 1000, and certainly not a major tournament.

This might surprise some. In tennis ability and athleticism, Keys has it all. Generally in matches, she starts red hot and dominates. But as the matches proceed to the second and third set, confounding unforced errors off routine shots flood into her game and she loses in the second or third round of tournaments.

Nevertheless, a couple of teenage American women might grant American tennis fans their wishes in the not-to-far-away future.
See what I did back then. Y'all miss me now huh?

 
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