Novak Djokovic told he ‘already seems outdated’ as Jannik Sinner ‘invented a new game’

[reaper]

Looks like nostalgia is high on this board.

The levels of athleticism, power, fitness shown by Sinner and Alcaraz at 20 and 22 is absolutely comparable and slightly better than what big 3 achieved at the same age. Remember RF didnt even win until 23, Novak won the lone AO and Rafa never put together runs at non clay majors.

Tennis has moved on. Sinner treats it like a video game.

Time to accept reality.

Pannatta speaks the truth. Always did.

At 23, Federer became the oldest 21 year old to win a Grand Slam tournament?

 

[tennis_pro]

Berdych rarely faced that. Usually he only faced the 1/4 final opponent.

Like prime Nadal or prime Djokovic. And he lost. Just like Sinner wouldve.

 

[The Blond Blur]

You're exaggerating on the other side of the coin. While Panatta is overrating Sinner, you're underrating him.

Comparing Sinner in his beginnins to Berdych is like comparing Federer in his beginnings to Tim Henman.

Sinner is gonna win multiple Slams and become an ATG whether you like it or not. And no, it won't be "because he didn't face the players Federer faced". By that logic, there will never be new ATGs from 2022 on, as no new emerging player will ever face the specific players Federer faced. And saying all the rival future generations will always be weaker than what Federer faced is not objective, but nostalgia effect.

The problem with this line of thinking is that Sinner is getting to play and potentially win schlems with no ATG (at least prime ATG) in the field. The reason Berdych and Sinner were/are being compared is because they play a similar game in the sense that they could/can hit big off both wings. The difference is Berdych was stopped not just by 1 or 2, but 3 prime ATGs. So it’s not that there can’t be any new ATGs since they won’t have a chance to face the players Fed did. It’s that the potential ATGs of this era (TC and Sinner) will have a much easier time becoming ATGs themselves.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Berdych rarely faced that. Usually he only faced the 1/4 final opponent.

I mean he literally did beat Fed and Joker back to back just to face RAFA in the F of Wimby in 2010

 

[inflation_era]

Yes the GOAT (Federer) would have trouble, but wouldn't lose.

 

[nolefam_2024]

It's Sinner's time right now. But every single player will have dip. And Nole just needs a small dip from Sinner to hammer him out of the tournament like in Turin.

We will see in next 4 months, it's April now and business is about to pick up big time.

Also Sinner did lose to Alcaraz in IW already so it's not like he is unbeatable even today. Made 16 forehand UE in third set of that match itself. 16. That is pathetic.

So let's see.

 

[Kralingen]

The game just evolves.

 

[RS]

The game just evolves.

Myth

 

[The Blond Blur]

You haven't seen anything doesn't mean it's not there. Tell me when was the last time a player went on such a remarkable run losing just one match in months? Sinner is set to dominate sooner you accept better it will be

RAFA in 2022 before he had a stress fractured rib at the age of 36.

 

[nolefam_2024]

“Jannik invented a new game. Even Djokovic already seems outdated today, not to mention Federer or Nadal. These players are already part of the past. But not because they resigned, but because their game no longer corresponds to what is needed today.

“I’ll even say a word to you. Even Federer at his best would have had a lot of trouble with Sinner because Jannik hits too hard, I’ve never seen him hit that hard, come on.”

Ok if this is what was said then I don't think this opinion can be respected at all. I would say it's SDE instead of BDE.

 

[nolefam_2024]

You're exaggerating on the other side of the coin. While Panatta is overrating Sinner, you're underrating him.

Comparing Sinner in his beginnins to Berdych is like comparing Federer in his beginnings to Tim Henman.

Sinner is gonna win multiple Slams and become an ATG whether you like it or not. And no, it won't be "because he didn't face the players Federer faced". By that logic, there will never be new ATGs from 2022 on, as no new emerging player will ever face the specific players Federer faced. And assuming all future generations will forever face weaker competítion than Federer is not objective, but rather a nostalgia-driven analysis.

Sde pannatta overrates sinner simply because of nationality. He is no tennis commentator and people would be fool to listen to his Italian opinion.

But tennis channel gave Kyrgios a platform so anything can happen in life.

 

[Mainad]

What you all are not seeing is that it has already begun

The systematic destruction and the re-writing of history, with the big 3 being pushed into oblivion....this is what the new generations will see, and then the questions will be?

Federer who?

Nadal who?

Djokovic who?

Oh those dinosaurs? Yeah, they wouldn't last a season with these new guys.

I doubt even recency nutters could just dismiss 66 Slam titles until the new guys do better.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I doubt even recency nutters could just dismiss 66 Slam titles until the new guys do better.

I think what old champions achieved is absolutely legit. New champions can try to break the records but if they fail they can't be better than the old ones.

 

[TheAssassin]

Sinner definitely has stunning potential. Has the game that is difficult to handle now and seems to be right between the ears as well. This and Panatta being a moron far more outdated in many ways than the Big 3 ever will be are not mutually exclusive.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner definitely has stunning potential. Has the game that is difficult to handle now and seems to be right between the ears as well. This of course doesn't exclude that Panatta is a moron far more outdated in many ways than the Big 3 ever will be.

Sde

 

[nolefam_2024]

Or lde

 

[TheAssassin]

Sde

Or lde

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[Lauren_Girl']

You haven't seen anything doesn't mean it's not there. Tell me when was the last time a player went on such a remarkable run losing just one match in months? Sinner is set to dominate sooner you accept better it will be

I mean, didn't Djokovic JUST do that (literally 4 months ago)? He won the last 4 tournaments of the season. - Cincinnati, US Open, Paris and World Tour Finals. 0 defeat between July and November. He won over 20 matches in a row for the umpteenth time in his career. His only defeats until the OA Semifinal were meaningless team events or exhibitions.
(He had an even bigger run between Madrid 2022 and Dubaï 2023, by the way. Lost only 2 matches in 10 months (Nadal in RG and Rune in Paris). In the meantime, he won Rome, Wimbledon, Tel-Aviv, Astana, Torino, Adelaïde and Australian Open. Before his loss to Medvedev in Dubaï, I think his winning rate since Madrid was 40-2.)

Sinner won 16 matches in a row between Torino and IW. It's an impressive run for sure, but not even close to the longest streaks. I mean Swiatek recently won 37 in a row, and we all know Djokovic was undefeated until June in 2011. 16 matches is nothing in comparison. This one-slam winner Panatta is from Italy, of course he'll sing Sinner's praise but pretending Djokovic is "outdated" because Sinner won 16 consecutive matches is a joke. He isn't exactly objective here.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Knee-jerk reaction.

Many don't remember the things that were being said about Zverev when he won the YEC in 2018. You'd have a laugh now.

Peak Big 3 would still dominate Sinner or Alcaraz.

Hell, 36yo Djokovic routined them back to back at the YEC and Sinner was lucky to get the win in the RR and Davis Cup matches. AO was a total demolition but it's one match.

 

[Ace7]

Oh please. The guy won 1 slam and is on a good run just for now. But comparing him to the big 3 and even putting him above in terms of level of play is nothing but a joke. Call me again if he plays a full season like any of peak big 3. then we can maybe start talking IF he has the potential to do it year after year after year.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Knee-jerk reaction.

Many don't remember the things that were being said about Zverev when he won the YEC in 2018. You'd have a laugh now.

Peak Big 3 would still dominate Sinner or Alcaraz.

Hell, 36yo Djokovic routined them back to back at the YEC and Sinner was lucky to get the win in the RR and Davis Cup matches. AO was a total demolition but it's one match.

Can you separate out sinner from Zverev ? This is not congress where good bills need to be merged with bunch of crap.

Big 3 would still dominate Zverev. That guy is total loser, Nadal won his final slam beating this guy and he dreams about what if. Why doesn't he get his own slams? The only time he even played in the final of one was due to astronomically improbable dq of Djokovic and even then he lost the final.

 

[canta_Brian]

I like Sinner. He moves well and is an aggressive baseliner rather than a grinder.

But prime Djokovic and Nadal have coped with plenty of that over the years.

As for Federer. Sinner’s losses have been against Alcaraz who plays a more varied game than the rest of the tour and also moves well. Anyone thinking Fed wouldn’t have some tough questions for Sinner to answer has only just started watching tennis.

 

[weakera]

Knee-jerk reaction.

Many don't remember the things that were being said about Zverev when he won the YEC in 2018. You'd have a laugh now.

Peak Big 3 would still dominate Sinner or Alcaraz.

Hell, 36yo Djokovic routined them back to back at the YEC and Sinner was lucky to get the win in the RR and Davis Cup matches. AO was a total demolition but it's one match.

Hell many don't remember what some were saying about shapovalov on here lol...

 

[nolefam_2024]

Hell many don't remember what some were saying about shapovalov on here lol...

Any discussion about Zverev and FAA that I may have contributed to when they started, I will apologize for it.

But not this verdasco 2.0 error machine pro max Shapovalov. No upside.

 

[InsuranceMan]

Holy **** Panatta would fit right in here at TTW, maybe he’s already in our midst even

 

[weakera]

Any discussion about Zverev and FAA that I may have contributed to when they started, I will apologize for it.

But not this verdasco 2.0 error machine pro max Shapovalov. No upside.

He used to be called "Skywalker" by some...

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Sinner is no hustler, he shoots a great game of tennis.

 

[Kozzy]

The hyperbole is a bit much, but there's no question Sinner is having a great season, and looks like the guy to beat, for the moment. And, recency bias is pretty amazing. If you ain't playing and winning right now, then it doesn't really matter how many records you hold, to many.

 

[NeutralFan]

RAFA in 2022 before he had a stress fractured rib at the age of 36.

Sinner's last 6 months have been better Than Rafa's Last 6 months from nov 202-2022. Rafa had a good year though Albiet not as dominant.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Sinner's last 6 months have been better Than Rafa's Last 6 months from nov 202-2022. Rafa had a good year though Albiet not as dominant.

You said the one loss. If we go back further then Sinner was beaten in dominant fashion in the YEC F. If you’re just going by the start of the year vs the start of then year then 2022dal and 2024 Sinner had practically the same start.

 

[GRASScaraz]

You said the one loss. If we go back further then Sinner was beaten in dominant fashion in the YEC F. If you’re just going by the start of the year vs the start of then year then 2022dal and 2024 Sinner had practically the same start.

Yes because Dull won Miami

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yes because Dull won Miami

You confuse us. Your name is saying alcaraz photo of Djokovic defending sinner vs another Spaniard the clay court king Nadal.

Why do you like Carlito so much but dislike Nadal ?

 

[Rosstour]

What you all are not seeing is that it has already begun

The systematic destruction and the re-writing of history, with the big 3 being pushed into oblivion....this is what the new generations will see, and then the questions will be?

Federer who?

Nadal who?

Djokovic who?

Oh those dinosaurs? Yeah, they wouldn't last a season with these new guys.

There are people on this site who are in their 20s and pine for the days of Sampras and Agassi. The B3 won't be forgotten, especially Djoko with his stance on politics, vax, holy water etc. He'll be a legend for decades in the conspirituality movement.

 

[nolefam_2024]

There are people on this site who are in their 20s and pine for the days of Sampras and Agassi. The B3 won't be forgotten, especially Djoko with his stance on politics, vax, holy water etc. He'll be a legend for decades in the conspirituality movement.

Those might be people who are too immature in life. I would get completely bored watching Sampras era tennis and it's 100% due to serve dominance and fast courts.

Tennis authorities got less stupid and slowed down the courts so we can see some actual tennis other than endless botting.

I shudder thinking about these 6'5" behemoths today playing in that era. Pathetic.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Grass is greener on the other side for these people in 20s hoping to be brought back in Sampras days. These will be the same hopeless crowds who will tune out during first week in 90s probably. If there was internet communities then, these people would have POLLUTED saying how good days of wooden rackets were.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nadal in January was remembering the days when he came on tour, he said the average serve speed has gone up 10 mph or some big number. I am unable to find the exact quote, if someone can find.

People keep complaining about slow courts which is ok. But the authorities are not going to go back anymore to Sampras era tennis now. The rackets are bigger, players are strong (er?) . Even the fluffy balls and slow courts are not able to race against natural evolution of racket and physicality.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Yes because Dull won Miami

It’s why I said practically the same genius Besides, RAFA beat TC at IW whereas Sinner lost to him in the SF despite being a set up.

 

[The Blond Blur]

You confuse us. Your name is saying alcaraz photo of Djokovic defending sinner vs another Spaniard the clay court king Nadal.

Why do you like Carlito so much but dislike Nadal ?

He’s just a troll. Probably not his first time here either.

 

[GAS]

Pannata wasn't that great to start with. How do you say rehab in Italiano?

 

[GRASScaraz]

Nadal being bageled by Fokina on Chartrier is inevitable

 

[Rosstour]

Those might be people who are too immature in life. I would get completely bored watching Sampras era tennis and it's 100% due to serve dominance and fast courts.

Tennis authorities got less stupid and slowed down the courts so we can see some actual tennis other than endless botting.

I shudder thinking about these 6'5" behemoths today playing in that era. Pathetic.

Yes to all this. Except I do think the authorities went too far with slowing the courts down

 

[GAS]

Funny how bots are mad that their hero was offended. Guys, it's a bad take regardless of mentioning Djokovic!

 

[MeatTornado]

RAFA in 2022 before he had a stress fractured rib at the age of 36.

2022? That's ancient history, old man.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Sinner is so far ahead, the rest of the tour should consider switching to wooden bats.

 

[onyxrose81]

I knew it was Panatta.

 

[socallefty]

Panatta sounds like one of those parochial guys who thinks everything Italian is the best.

 

[Bartelby]

Seems just like the sort of comment that grows out of national loyalties rather than tennis analysis.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

Panatta getting paid to hype Italian tennis.

 

[_phantom]

Just typical Italian antipathy towards their southern slavic neighbors.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

Just typical Italian antipathy towards their southern slavic neighbors.

Or is it "antipasti"?