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No. The fact that Federer was already several years removed from his peak years of being the dominant force on tour just reinforces my point.
So he was supposably past his prime at only 26. The same guy who was no teen phenom by a long shot, and is still playing top tennis at 38. And when years later Djokovic himself is the dominant player at age 32. Not a very good point. I rate Federer over Djokovic like I said, but it isnt based on that reasoning.
Anyway the reverse could easily be done, Federer stopped being dominant once Nadal and later Djokovic reached full maturity.
I would add Pete in the mix and call it a Big 4 of the Open era.There's not much between Fed and Novak, and Rafa is very close too. They're the Big 3 of the Open era.
Fed was the better player on offense with a nicer style to watch imo, but Novak's like a brick wall on the baseline, defends so well and is more clutch in the big moments than Roger.
I have to add: Wawrinkas peak > Djokovics peak.
Federer. But I like Nadal way more.Asking Ultronians if Federer or Nadal is better?
To be honest, Djoker gets to everything, and when he is on, he is basically boringly unbeatable. But he is beatable, as Fed almost showed. Then again, he did not beat him.
Djoker, is just simply the best when he is playing is A+ game. He should only fear himself.
The Rafa "never loses to anyone if he is healthy" is false. However, Djoker "never loses to anyone if he does not beat himself" is true.
Took a week to settle the mind, but it is a tennis match afterall. I think I had to just accept the fact that djoker is virtually unstoppable and might just be the greatest tennis player ever.Welcome back ma man!
Took a week to settle the mind, but it is a tennis match afterall. I think I had to just accept the fact that djoker is virtually unstoppable and might just be the greatest tennis player ever.
My tennis brain is trying to recalibrate everything that went down.
Hahaha, not warming up to him, just accepting reality. Plus, I said MIGHT.Yeah, it was quite surreal! It's just a tennis match, but with everything at stake and all the drama, it's still lingering and taking up loads of time from my GMAT prep (~_\)
Now that you are warming up to him, time to change your sig
This is a too simplified statement. It needs to be broken down to surfaces. On clay for instance peak Nadal will always beat every version of Djokovic no matter whether Novak beats himself or not. Talking about Wimbledon peak for peak I would also give a small edge to Federer even though this might be closer. If we are including now fast surfaces that unfortunately do not exist anymore (90s grass, carpet) then there is no way any version of Djokovic beats peak Federer or peak Sampras. This leaves us in the end with slow HC where your statement is true. On slow HC peak Djokovic > everybody else in history.To be honest, Djoker gets to everything, and when he is on, he is basically boringly unbeatable. But he is beatable, as Fed almost showed. Then again, he did not beat him.
Djoker, is just simply the best when he is playing is A+ game. He should only fear himself.
The Rafa "never loses to anyone if he is healthy" is false. However, Djoker "never loses to anyone if he does not beat himself" is true.
To be honest, Djoker gets to everything, and when he is on, he is basically boringly unbeatable. But he is beatable, as Fed almost showed. Then again, he did not beat him.
Djoker, is just simply the best when he is playing is A+ game. He should only fear himself.
The Rafa "never loses to anyone if he is healthy" is false. However, Djoker "never loses to anyone if he does not beat himself" is true.
Why don't you post with your usual account, instead of using one of your backups? Or do you know I already have those on ignore?So, why don't you leave this ridiculous thread and continue watching matches on youtube or write some comments anywhere else where you can pick even more likes than you have right now?
Don't worry, we can live without you. We could live without tennis before 2015, we can live without your posts as well.
Depends on the surface. Taking into account everything it's between him and Fed for the modern era for me. Second tier would be Nadal/Sampras/Lendl/Borg etc...
Why don't you post with your usual account, instead of using one of your backups? Or do you know I already have those on ignore?
And you actually admit you started watching tennis in 2015 and don't think anything before that counts. Thank you for proving my case. Please keep posting.
Welcome to heaven and I thought you had such potential.You and ignore - a match made in heaven innit Ann ?
Welcome to heaven and I thought you had such potential.
Peak Djokovic would smoke both of this guy's easily. SafinBased on consistency, no. Based on peak tennis, Safin and Federer have higher peaks. Wawrinka, Del Potro and Nadal are about tied with Djokovic in their peaks.
Past greats: Kuerten has higher clay peak, Sampras has higher indoor and grass peak. Wooden racket era I won't talk about as it's a different sport
I was just giving you crap because you're such a smartazz. I like smartazzes.Didn't mean it as a slight remark, just pulling your leg Ann
Those are lucky ones.Or do you know I already have those on ignore?
And today's your lucky day too - until you create another fake ID to troll with.Those are lucky ones.
Because Sampras actually had fast surfaces to play on. Since 2003 (the vast majority of Roger's career), he's been denied carpet, fast grass and generally fast HC's. And anyway, Roger beat your guy the one and only time they met... on a very fast surface. Put Pete on today's Wimbledon grass and Agassi beats him like a drum every time there.Sampras is the best on fast surfaces just better than Federer.
"Hardly ever comes in" according to people who don't watch him play matches unless it's against their favorite.
The actual stats tell a different story. Djokovic played 1545 total points at Wimbledon this year, and came to net 230 times, winning 170 of those points. That's good for a 15% net approach rate, and 74% net points won.
For comparison, Fed came in 256 times on 1572 points, and won 203 of those net points. This is a 16% approach rate with a 79% success rate. 1% higher approach rate than Novak despite having a better serve, giving him a better chance of attacking.
In short, Djokovic comes to net 1% less than Federer, who should be our frame of reference. Wow, what a humongous difference! Unless you mean to tell me Fed also "hardly ever comes in"
Also an extremely mediocre net game.A man who can't execute the overhead - one of the most basis shots in Tennis is considered the greatest player people have ever seen? Dearie me.. This forum has gone down the drain after Djokovic's Wimbledon win
Blazing fast, right, with all time great aggressive net play.Watch this. Wimbledon '19 is lightning fast in comparison.
Is the Swiss Army paying him a pension for his services during the WW1 or 2 where I am told he injured his back.Didn't like the fact that my fav got troubled by a 38 year old pensioner. But let us make hay while sun shines.
This is the answer as far as I am concerned. I don't think I have ever seen anyone play Djokovic's style of tennis better than Djokovic himself, and his style of tennis is clearly dominant under current circumstances.He is the greatest based on the style of play tennis currently demands and rewards.
Im a Nadal fan. Djokovic superior on Asian HC and grass, Nadal is better on clay and in my view American hard courts.Novak is moving near GOAThood status with every slam , but many have always called him the best ever and he might really be.
Do you,as a fan, think he is the best player *you* have seen?
Personally, I think he really might be. The greatest combination of grit , athleticism and controlled offense.
I think he just mastered his strengths and improved his weaknesses to the point he is , as an article rightfully said, a fortress.
The only player I might put over him is Fred. Not because I like him too but because Fred at his best has a lot of attacking options and his game might be more suited across the surfaces.
With him and Novak I am at 50-50. Maybe Novak edges it due to being better mentally.
Note : As the OP , I do not want this to descend into an usual big 3 beauty contest. I request people to respect each other's opinion, simply state their own and not indulge in unnecessary argument,keep that for other zillion threads .
Only Novak Fans, anyone who's not one if he wishes to post , must post about someone who is superior to his favorite.
LMAO..the contradictions of Federer fans is priceless. Nadal and Djokovic are tier 1 clearly, Federer tier 2. Its as clear as a bell...Federer career has two parts, one pre Nadal/Djokovic the 2nd less impressive post Nadal/Djokovic.Depends on the surface. Taking into account everything it's between him and Fed for the modern era for me. Second tier would be Nadal/Sampras/Lendl/Borg etc...
It's been like this for a week now. Half of them went AWOL, the other half became more saltier than the Dead sea.I thought this thread was addressed to Novak fans, what with all these Fed fans bringing their salt in here.
Wow, is that true? If so, then that’s unreal!13-0 active streak in Slams against Big4.
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Think it is 14-0 after Wimbledon but yeah his last slam match he lost against big 4 was FO 2014 I presumeWow, is that true? If so, then that’s unreal!
Wow, is that true? If so, then that’s unreal!
Good riddance S&V boting for me. It was never watchable after wood racquets were no more.Blazing fast, right, with all time great aggressive net play.
As a Novak fan I would have to admit that Roger, Novak and Rafa are equal but in different aspects of the game. My wish for Novak I wish he would take more shots out of the air and play more of a net game in order to shorten points. In this respect Roger is definitely superior to Novak.He is the greatest based on the style of play tennis currently demands and rewards.
What I find even more interesting is that in 2 years or fewer, he is almost sure to have the Slam record and weeks at #1 record. And that’s after going on a 2 year “walk about”. Had he not done that, he’d already have both records now