Novak's 4 in a row

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roysid

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ibbi said:
I mean not really. Federer was a single win away from doing exactly the same thing on 2 different occasions, if Djokovic had gone through the single obstacle Federer had to go through again and again en route to doing it then maybe, but as he simply benefited from being in peak form for the couple of years that Nadal fell off I wouldn't say it's all that one of a kind achievement. Consider also that Federer might have won 4 in a row if not for Roland Garros 2005, he might also have won 4 in a row if not for W08/AO9, he lost on every single one of these occasions to the one dude.
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Federer would have won 4 in a row had he won any of the matches against Nadal from 2005-07 Rolland Garros.
But the one match he closely missed winning was US 2009 final against del potro. So many chances to go 2 sets love and win the match. Then he would have won 4 in a row.

Similarly novak Djokovic also missed 4 in a row in 2011 French, 2012 French and also 2015 French. But he was never very close to winning any of these matches
 
itrium84

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StrongRule said:
I wonder why Nadal fans never hype his wins over Murray in RG 2011 and 2014 semifinals. According to Djokovic fans that were wins over the god of clay who has a higher peak than 2008 Nadal. I guess we should hype this more. :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
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Do you agree with the other guy that Laver's CYGS is overrated because he didn't win Nadal on RG?

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mike danny

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NoleFam said:
I also said 2016 was a weaker year. I don't get where this is going. Point is, Djokovic had already proven years before that he could dominate even when the competition is strong and funny how I am hearing how he is only winning now because the competition is weak but many posters in here must have forgotten 2017 and half of 2018.
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1 year doesn't absolve him of all the other times he benefited from weaker competition.

2015 wasn't better than 2004-2005.
 
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StrongRule said:
Even some of his fans admit that in RG 2011 and 2013 he played better than in RG 2016, but ended up facing stronger opponents. But according to you Djokovic only plays well when he wins, when he loses he is always terrible. Funniest thing is that you keep saying Nadal only wins in USO because of weak draws, but you hate when same stuff is being written about Djokovic. Keep believing that Djokovic in RG 2016 is the highest clay level in the history of tennis. :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Why did he play better in RG 2011? He played good but he had 5 days off and got soft in that layoff from play. RG 2013 is definitely arguable that it is highest level but I'm laughing at your clear agenda here when it comes to 2016. Also, false that when Djokovic loses I always say he was terrible. In fact, that's a flat out lie. Find a post of mine where I said Nadal only wins USO because of weak draws. You can't because that's also a lie. Also, nice gaslighting that I would ever say 2016 RG Djokovic was ever the highest level of tennis since (a) it's his weakest surface and (b) everyone knows Nadal's level on that surface is the highest. It seems after so much embarrassment and making stupid asinine claims that after a while you would just shut up.
 
itrium84

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StrongRule said:
Why do you mention Laver all the time? He belongs to a very different era.
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Never won Nadal, though.

He is only guy beside Djokovic to win a Grand Slam in OE. They both didn't win Nadal at RG during those streaks. Laver's GS is seen as greatest achievement, but Novak's is not, because Novak didn't win clay god.
You can't have it both ways - Grand Slam is greatest achievement, or it isn't - choose as other guy did, he admits 1969GS is overrated just so he could claim 2015-16GS is not underrated.
What is your position on Grand Slam, is it greatest achievement in tennis, or it isn't?

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RS

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NoleFam said:
2016 RG was not Djokovic's highest level? Lol.


Not a big difference but there is a difference, at least in my view.

He has taken advantage the most? False. Fedal are much better in taking advantage of dips in opposition thsn Djokovic is. They almost always capitalize. He fumbled more often like 2015 RG and 2016 USO.

Fair enough.
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Maybe so 2016 slightly better with room to debate due to Fedal in 2017 being better.
I did not mean Djokovic took advantage of a easy draw just he won more slams in recent years than Fedal.
RG 15 was a tough draw btw with the way Wawrinka was playing in that final.
 
RaulRamirez

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It still boggles my mind that people can be pretending to argue that winning three in a row, and (I don't know) a hypothetical 4th, is better than winning 4 in a row. What is wrong with people? It's only been done once in the last 50 years, so yes, it's a great accomplishment. Period.

That doesn't mean that this makes Djokovic (automatically) the mythical GOAT, but he has had the best one-year run (or at least 12-month, possibly 18 to 24-month run) since 1969. Just as Fed, most would say, has had the best 4-year run in the OE. I'm not neglecting Nadal, who has his own distinctive accomplishments.

I do think that two factors made Novak's NCYGS somewhat underplayed/underrated.
1. The hold that Federer - and to a lesser extent, Rafa - still have on the sport, and the media.
2. It culminated at RG, with a very short turnaround time till they were off to Wimbledon. At any other juncture, I think it would have been celebrated more. There's a longer gap between majors after the AO, and after Wimbledon, and of course, if it culminated at the US Open, it would be a true Grand Slam.
 
TennisFan3

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The thing with Novak is that he lost to Stan and Nadal BOTH in RG finals. He won RG when either of those 2 players were not there.

One could argue that Federer was DESPERATELY unlucky from 2005 to 2008 at RG. I mean every single time stopped by the same player.
Even a cub Nadal beats Fed in 2005 in the SF at RG.
There was NO other player who could have stopped Fed from winning multiple RG titles.

And that's really one of the only holes in Djokovic's resume. His vulnerability to Stan on multiple surfaces. Even a peak Djokovic was stopped by Stan in several slams. Every GOAT needs a kryptonite and if Stan wasn't a factor, Djokovic would have been the undisputed GOAT.

As much as I hate to admit it, peak Fed was MORE DOMINANT than peak Novak. Simply because only 1 player could stop him on 1 surface.
 
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MichaelNadal said:
Imagine 19 or 20 8-B

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Lol
 
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MichaelNadal said:
Ultronians after the US Open....
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Ultronions now:

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You are such a troll and liar.... :rolleyes:

I haven't noticed Novak's fans leaving forum after USO... Most of them including me were happy for him... Most of Novak's fans are ok, even happy Nadal to finish as goat, including me....

It's Fed fans who were desperate after USO, with Berretinni and other similar things... Everyone is aware about it.... but you are most famous Fed fans butt kisser in Rafa's club... :sneaky:
Keep kissing it's funny to watch...
 
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beard said:
You are such a troll and liar.... :rolleyes:

I haven't noticed Novak's fans leaving forum after USO... Most of them including me were happy for him... Most of Novak's fans are ok, even happy Nadal to finish as goat, including me....

It's Fed fans who were desperate after USO, with Berretinni and other similar things... Everyone is aware about it.... but you are most famous Fed fans butt kisser in Rafa's club... :sneaky:
Keep kissing it's funny to watch...
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Roger has class and doesn't have to ASK to be cheered.
I actually respect Novak and if he would cut the heel bs out I could get behind him.

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