Video is inaccessible. If Nole is there, he’s 4.0 pusher.
Sorry guys, see if it works now. BTW, I think one of the most fun points comes at 5:54.Yes ... what Draggy said ... about video not available
I always do if my opponent doesn't pick one up. Here it was more of an accident though...You have to ask him for me if he aimed at that ball on the court @4:30 on purpose. hehehe ... love it.
I re watched that ball on court point a couple times to see how it got there. It's like one of those incredible golf putts with a super break. I think the last ball was a FH volley. It was just a safe singles volley. He said he didn't even realize the ball was on the court. He needs to learn doubles volley.Did your son grow a lot since last video.
I watched the first couple of games, will watch the entire video later. To me, I see two players that are on their way to top tier ... but they have to get more stingy with their unforced errors. Put it this way ... your son looks like a junior I would have played in the past where my old man "don't miss" play would have bothered. Then they show up next summer and beat me easily.
You have to ask him for me if he aimed at that ball on the court @4:30 on purpose. hehehe ... love it.
I re watched that ball on court point a couple times to see how it got there. It's like one of those incredible golf putts with a super break. I think the last ball was a FH volley. It was just a safe singles volley. He said he didn't even realize the ball was on the court. He needs to learn doubles volley.
Yup. He grew. From last year's video (actually saw it was one year ago) he gained a few inches. But more importantly, got a lot stronger (varsity swim team). His movements are faster and he's putting a lot more pace and spin on the ball. His control has gone way up and he is able to handle different types of balls better. Last year's video showed he had trouble with my off pace junk balls. (actually, I can see that my own game has improved over last year, so there is hope for older players. LOL)Did your son grow a lot since last video.
I watched the first couple of games, will watch the entire video later. To me, I see two players that are on their way to top tier ... but they have to get more stingy with their unforced errors. Put it this way ... your son looks like a junior I would have played in the past where my old man "don't miss" play would have bothered. Then they show up next summer and beat me easily.
You have to ask him for me if he aimed at that ball on the court @4:30 on purpose. hehehe ... love it.
Black I think missed every single first serve in his first service game. His 2nd serve is reasonably good so why didn't he ease back on his first serve?
You don't think that's the correct thing to do? I've practiced my 2nd serve diligently and am pretty consistent with it. So I use that a lot for my 1st serve too these days whenever I have problems landing that first serve. The problem is I never win any easy points and every point/game is a grind. IMO if you have a consistent 2nd serve, why not go for it on the first serve, and then slowly learn to control any excess power? Especially for a kid, I'd just encourage him to continue going for it, as long as he's continuously paying attention, improving, and not just hitting the back fence every time.
It depends: if it's a match, I will ease back sooner, especially if my 1st serve % is very low.
It also depends on what kind of 1st serve % I normally achieve. If it's usually 65-70%, I'll keep it up longer on the assumption that my serve will eventually go in. If it's usually 30%, I'd ease back more quickly.
I don't want to give my opponent more opportunities to attack the return. Everyone's got to make that decision as to where the line is drawn and I'm not saying that line is the same for everyone.
It depends: if it's a match, I will ease back sooner, especially if my 1st serve % is very low.
It also depends on what kind of 1st serve % I normally achieve. If it's usually 65-70%, I'll keep it up longer on the assumption that my serve will eventually go in. If it's usually 30%, I'd ease back more quickly.
I don't want to give my opponent more opportunities to attack the return. Everyone's got to make that decision as to where the line is drawn and I'm not saying that line is the same for everyone.
I bet you two aren't talking about the same tennis. You are setting up your s&v ... ironically avoiding the grind @mcs1970 is trying to avoid with bigger 1st serve.
So blue is upper varsity sophmore. Black is lower varsity junior of a rival school with a stronger team. Black asked to practice with blue. Blue probably played 85% capacity to keep the match "interesting". He typically will bagel him if he got serious. This particular practice set, the score was 6-1; the first 1 being the first game. I tried to tell blue to work on flattening out his FH as I think it's too loopy for his level of play. Since he's playing a weaker player, I told him its ok to make some errors working on a certain technique. I think he just disregarded me and just played to have fun.4.0
Both have a tendency to overhit their FHs; black shirt more than blue shirt.
Black I think missed every single first serve in his first service game. His 2nd serve is reasonably good so why didn't he ease back on his first serve?
I like Blue's tendency to move forward on short balls and continue moving forward.
I didn't see a lot of point construction. Blue/lefty should have been hitting everything CC to Black/righty BH and vice versa.
Blue had the better overall game; I liked the loop on his BH swing. It was more fluid than Black's.
Black allowed the ball to get too close to his body on his FHs, especially when moving forward.
This is a great observation. I hadn't noticed it until watching the video. I could see something was odd with his form, but couldn't put my finger on it. Also, I thought some of his FH slices were unnecessary. That he could have gotten behind the ball and hit a solid ts FH.Black allowed the ball to get too close to his body on his FHs, especially when moving forward.
Good point: I'm usually happy even with a reasonable 2nd serve so I can get into the net. Against the better opponents, that will simply result in getting passed more. So where I draw the line also varies by opponent.
Blue has beaten every 4.0 adult he has played. The adult's biggest comment is, "he hits all of my best shots back" "he's too fast". He lacks point construction. He needs to flatten out his FH to get more pace to shorten opponent's reaction time. Also, need to exploit his lefty serves more. He pretty much hit mostly faster 2nd serves for his first the entire match. His go-to strat is to grind out the point. But he's sort of caught at a cross roads of just being a wall vs hitting a weapons-grade shot. He's also experimenting on his touch shots. For as good as his game is, his OH is horrible.
One of the serve out calls was questionable but the angle couldn't overturn the call on the court.
Sometimes a s&v brother just needs that flat ace to the deuce T.
I think we discussed this about moving forward. Blue has one of the slowest first steps of someone with his speed. But my guess is a bit of indecision. It was also the first game, so I'll just blame it on slow to warm up. He's like a flourescent light bulb. Takes a while to hit his stride.Good foundation. On some of the short ones, perhaps a slice would have been better than expending so much effort to try and come up on the ball [ie 1:05].
I'll point out that part of the video.BTW: an attentive roaming umpire will call Blue's serve at 9:00 a foot fault. His left foot at contact was OK but it started the service motion on the wrong side of the center hash [Isner and Safin have been called for this before]. It's esoteric but why even risk the chance of being called for it in a big pressure situation? Just tell him to move to the left by a couple of feet.
More generally, why is he changing his starting serve position on the Ad side? Is it to take advantage of the lefty slice out wide? He doesn't have that variation on the Deuce side, that I observed.
Blue shirt = sophmore in HSIs this high school? They look about the level of our kids, general players. My son is our number one and he can hang with 4.5 players. Definitely both have academy or coach training, so these guy/kids are probably around 4.0 based on serving and groundy errors. If college they probably play club or are deep in the lineup on D3.
Blue shirt = sophmore in HS
Black shirt = junior in HS
R 3.5Neither players have official NTRP ratings. So let's give them one. We'll call white cap "R" and blue cap "E".
*edit* Let's try it again.
I'll try editing and start from the beginning of the ball toss.cut the balltapping out, maybe it will be easier for audience =)
R (d) E 6-1R 3.5
E 4.0
How do I look up UTR? I think I have USTA # for both players.Blue shirt 6 or 7 utr? Both look decent but many holes in the game. Iook up the utr. Am I far off?
Utr is based on a persons name. Just go to myutr.com. plugin name. And it will spit it out. You need 10 or so matches for it to generate a reliable rating.How do I look up UTR? I think I have USTA # for both players.
Blue shirt = UTR 8Blue shirt 6 or 7 utr? Both look decent but many holes in the game. Iook up the utr. Am I far off?
Blue shirt = UTR 8
Black Shirt = UTR 7
Black is a good player in his own right. But if the two played a formal match, say they ran into each other at a USTA tournament, the score would be 0,1. I don't know how that correlates to UTR. Maybe with JR, it's a bit different?I'm pretty close. 1 utr point can be a competitive match. So black shirt is actually not too far behind.
Utr is actually the best for juniors. Because they all play each other. I think in this instance it could be match up. What I have discovered is 1 utr is anyone's match. But the jump from 7 to 8 is a pretty significant one in terms of consistency usually. Also I don't think any 4.0 ntrp adult is going to beat the 8 utr blue shirt. Or the 7 imo.Black is a good player in his own right. But if the two played a formal match, say they ran into each other at a USTA tournament, the score would be 0,1. I don't know how that correlates to UTR. Maybe with JR, it's a bit different?
That is probably the biggest difference between the two. Blue is MUCH more consistent. Much lower UE. In extended matches, blue has more fitness.Utr is actually the best for juniors. Because they all play each other. I think in this instance it could be match up. What I have discovered is 1 utr is anyone's match. But the jump from 7 to 8 is a pretty significant one in terms of consistency usually. Also I don't think any 4.0 ntrp adult is going to beat the 8 utr blue shirt. Or the 7 imo.
Utr is actually the best for juniors. Because they all play each other. I think in this instance it could be match up. What I have discovered is 1 utr is anyone's match. But the jump from 7 to 8 is a pretty significant one in terms of consistency usually. Also I don't think any 4.0 ntrp adult is going to beat the 8 utr blue shirt. Or the 7 imo.
its very difficult to quantify a video rating of players these day simply because ther so much sandbagging in local tourneys.Utr is actually the best for juniors. Because they all play each other. I think in this instance it could be match up. What I have discovered is 1 utr is anyone's match. But the jump from 7 to 8 is a pretty significant one in terms of consistency usually. Also I don't think any 4.0 ntrp adult is going to beat the 8 utr blue shirt. Or the 7 imo.
4.0 is about right... both need to develop some weapon... right now they just hit 'nothing balls' from the baseline.
These guys are bad with going for sideline shots and variety balls. When they try to go for the sidelines they hit out a ton. Against variety balls (different depth, height) they throw away all their forms and improvise with reaching, whatever, and screw up badly.
They are mince meats for any tournament "pushers".
4.0 is about right... both need to develop some weapon... right now they just hit 'nothing balls' from the baseline.
Lol. 8 utr is top end of 4.5. (9 utr is 5.0. )
You guys have no idea. Watch a 4.0 match on video. It's slow motion compared to these kids.
That chart is WAY OFF. Whoever made that chart has no clue.This chart shows it different...
This chart shows it different
I would say it looks accurate, @J011yroger said he is utr11 or 12? So would make him a strong 5.0
If utr9 was 5.0 then j011y would be playing futures lol
Top pro atp players are utr16
And WTA is utr14