Pure Aero, Pure Aero VS, Extreme Tour

[riddick]

Pure Aero, Pure Aero VS, Extreme (the whole line in general)

All have spin effect grommets (to go over-the-top, you can even pair them with spin effect strings). With enough practice, you can chill and play with easy power (ie. Pure Aero, Pure Aero VS) and super easy spin. High launch and the ball dips at the last moment. You can play and chill without seriousness towards tennis skills & techniques, tennis form and tennis footwork

These are the players I always try to avoid
Not to mention those who play with Pure Drive (with string set-up like a rocket launcher), trying to blast you on each hit.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Pure Aero, Pure Aero VS, Extreme (the whole line in general)

All have spin effect grommets (to go over-the-top, you can even pair them spin effect strings). With enough practice, you can chill and play with easy power (ie. Pure Aero, Pure Aero VS) and super easy spin. High launch and the ball dips at the last moment. You can play and chill without seriousness towards tennis skills & techniques, tennis form and tennis footwork

These are the players I always try to avoid
Not to mention those who play with Pure Drive (with string set-up like a rocket launcher), trying to blast you on each hit.

What do you mean spin effect strings? RPM Blast?

 

[TennisHound]

The PA23 is a little underpowered. The PAVS and ET are both a little heavy, since they are platform racquets.

 

[riddick]

What do you mean spin effect strings? RPM Blast?

Shaped poly in general. In particular, those which are stiff and with a squared profile can produce "nasty spin" (so called) but the consistency of the ball path is undesirable for pros or seasoned players. Also, as the sharp edges of the string wear out over time and randomly, the predictability of the shot (control and accuracy) becomes worse (depending on your tolerance, eg. ok to you if you play to big targets with lots of easy spin).

Spin-effect grommets have larger/oblong grommet holes which facilitate more string movements (at mains). Similar inconsistency and trade-off ensue.

 

[GimmeBackMyDog]

lol. I have all three of those rackets. The major brands all make nice rackets.

But this thread is kind of silly.

The number 1, number 6 and number 11 players in the world are all using a Pure Aero VS.

And you're claiming they don't have proper form and footwork?

Maybe you can go visit them with your wooden racket and give them a few pointers.

 

[riddick]

Many experienced amateur tennis players know it. Those top ATP guys (ie. Alcaraz, Nadal, Rune) just use the paint job of the retail Pure Aero and Pure Aero VS

Their racquets are not the retail ones. The mold, the lay-up (then the flex RA), and the customisation of their racquets are very different from the retail ones. Only the paint job is the same.

If you are a real tennis lover and you are experienced, you will know what kind of shots are hit with a racquet of swingweight 320 pts and what kind of shots are hit with a racquet of swingweight 335 pts.

 

[Bartelby]

I thought it was pretty well established that Nadal played with the original Aeropro Drive with 9 grams of lead at the tip and 3 in the butt and a swingweight around 360.

 

[riddick]

I thought it was pretty well established that Nadal played with the original Aeropro Drive with 9 grams of lead at the tip and 3 in the butt and a swingweight around 360.

It's not a retail Pure Aero Rafa
Not the mold, not the lay-up, not the RA and different specs

 

[GimmeBackMyDog]

Many experienced amateur tennis players know it. Those top ATP guys (ie. Alcaraz, Nadal, Rune) just use the paint job of the retail Pure Aero and Pure Aero VS

Their racquets are not the retail ones. The mold, the lay-up (then the flex RA), and the customisation of their racquets are very different from the retail ones. Only the paint job is the same.

If you are a real tennis lover and you are experienced, you will know what kind of shots are hit with a racquet of swingweight 320 pts and what kind of shots are hit with a racquet of swingweight 335 pts.

If you are aware of it, can you tell us what specs and mold Alcaraz and Rune are actually using?

All information available claims they use the stock version with some slight alterations.

Can you give us some more information on what the actual flex rating is on the rackets they use?

 

[GimmeBackMyDog]

Also...Alcaraz, Rune and Nadal are all pretty well noted to use RPM Blast strings.

You are claiming this is false or that the strings are repainted to look like RPM Blast strings?

Maybe you can give us some inside info on what strings they are actually using.

Or send them an email informing them about the dangers of shaped poly.

 

[riddick]

It's common knowledge among experienced tennis players that there is "a paint job thing" and the top professionals use pro stock with customisation and the racquet bear a paint job. They do not use the retail racquet (maybe except Federer, after unique customisation of the RF97 by P1 shop). They just endorse the racquets and receive endorsement fees.

For those who are particularly obsessed with the gear of tennis professionals, trying to convince themselves they are using the same racquet that the top ATP professionals are using, they have a lot ... a lot to learn ...

RPM Blast is an octagonal shaped poly (closer to a round poly), which does not bite as hard as a 4-sided poly. It's less erratic in its life cycle. The pros switch to a racquet with fresh strings much more frequently than amateurs in a match anyway. Low power and closer to a round poly than a pointed & sharply shaped poly. It has good playability for a few hours. Most experienced players know it has low value comparing to its price.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Why don't they just make the racquets the pros actually use retail so everyone can use what they really do

 

[ulunxtns]

It's common knowledge among experienced tennis players that there is "a paint job thing" and the top professionals use pro stock with customisation and the racquet bear a paint job. They do not use the retail racquet (maybe except Federer, after unique customisation of the RF97 by P1 shop). They just endorse the racquets and receive endorsement fees.

For those who are particularly obsessed with the gear of tennis professionals, trying to convince themselves they are using the same racquet that the top ATP professionals are using, they have a lot ... a lot to learn ...

RPM Blast is an octagonal shaped poly (closer to a round poly), which does not bite as hard as a 4-sided poly. It's less erratic in its life cycle. The pros switch to a racquet with fresh strings much more frequently than amateurs in a match anyway. Low power and closer to a round poly than a pointed & sharply shaped poly. It has good playability for a few hours. Most experienced players know it has low value comparing to its price.

I remember someone in this forum who actually has Alcaraz's racquet confirmed that he's using stock form VS with some customization. So not all of them are using paint job racquets. Plus the upcoming Rafa 2023 will be the racquet that he will be using since the racquet will be his specs.

 

[Mischko]

Try different logic: manufacturers engineer the best race car level racquet for their top juniors, or sometimes competitors during their career - all brands. That's how Wilson made the first Tour 90, and 97S, KP88 etc, and exactly how Babolat made the Aero VS 2017 for Felix. And then 3 years later this actual Aero VS for Alcaraz and Rune. Head made Extreme Tour for Musetti, a racquet that didn't exist before, just like most Babolat VSes or Tours didn't exist until they made them for a top upcoming player.

Too stiff, too direct feeling and too demanding for players who don't swing it fast enough, so next versions are always softer, for club players and juniors etc. but the top ATP player always continues to play with the original racquet made exactly for them, but in a different paintjob. Rafa's racquet is the original Aero Pro that was made for him when he was 17, just like Alcaraz' and Rune's racquet is the actual VS made for them when they were 17. Nothing mysterious there. Even if the player wants some tweaks later in their career it is still the same racquet with minimal differences.

Seen so many times. Gravity Pro was made for Zverev, and then several other top pro players adopted it, but it's too demanding even for young competitors, and I won't be surprised one bit if this upcoming 2023 Gravity Pro turns out to be a hit with players who found the first GP too demanding. That's what sells racquets.

 

[Moveforwardalways]

As was posted above, Alcaraz and Rune both use the Pure Aero VS in a form very close to stock form.

 

[riddick]

I remember someone in this forum who actually has Alcaraz's racquet confirmed that he's using stock form VS with some customization. So not all of them are using paint job racquets. Plus the upcoming Rafa 2023 will be the racquet that he will be using since the racquet will be his specs.

I have read that kind of threads/stories too. The poster claimed he grabbed hold of the racquet Alcaraz used. He purported it's a stock Pure Aero VS (even claimed without customization).

Experienced tennis players have tried different player-style racquets of different swingweights and different flexes. The kind of shots played by Alcaraz just could not be produced by a retail Pure Aero VS (stock form). A racquet having swingweight of 321 pts could not produce these shots. Many people have tried adding lead to Pure Aero VS to increase swingweight and it did not take lead well (did not work out). Also, an RA of 67-68 was too high for top pros who use full body motion (engaging the kinetic chain, core muscles and all body parts) to play real competitive tennis. They generate their own power and spin with their whole body (hence having a wide dynamic range of power and spin controlled by them), not relying on a stiff racquet (for easy power) and spin effect grommets (for easy spin). They need predictability and consistency from their gear.

There maybe a new Pure Aero Rafa coming up, copying the way of RF97. More revenues for racquet manufacturers (not bad for Babolat at the end of Rafa's career).

 

[ulunxtns]

I have read that kind of threads/stories too. The poster claimed he grabbed hold of the racquet Alcaraz used. He purported it's a stock Pure Aero VS (even claimed without customization).

Experienced tennis players have tried different player-style racquets of different swingweights and different flexes. The kind of shots played by Alcaraz just could not be produced by a retail Pure Aero VS (stock form). A racquet having swingweight of 321 pts could not produce these shots. Many people have tried adding lead to Pure Aero VS to increase swingweight and it did not take lead well (did not work out). Also, an RA of 67-68 was too high for top pros who use fully body motion (engaging the kinetic chain, core muscles and all body parts) to play real competitive tennis.

There maybe a new Pure Aero Rafa coming up, copying the way of RF97. More revenues for racquet manufacturers (not bad for Babolat at the end of Rafa's career).

I'm not saying Alcaraz or Rune are using the stock form without customization. Of course, they did some customization, just like most of us will do to our racquets. The point is they (Alcaraz and Rune) are most likely using the stock VS as a platform racquet to customize, not a different racquet with the VS paint job.
Btw, I saw tennisnerd just posted today that Dan Evans's racquet SW is 326.5, which is not unmanageable for a lot of rec players. A lot of players on tour have gone down their SW in recent years.

 

[riddick]

As I often say, recreational players should play with a racquet they can maneurve and with which they can improve tennis skills and techniques and not be obsessed with what the top pros are using (as usually they are not using the retail version with their face on the placard). There are stories/hearsays on the Internet, which are not verifiable (or not worth the effort to properly verify). Another thing is top ATP pros generate their own power and spin with their whole body (hence having a wide dynamic range of power and spin controlled by them), not relying on a stiff racquet (for easy power) and spin effect grommets (for easy spin). They need predictability and consistency from their gear.

I also know Dan Evan's play style and the shots he produces. Very doubtful about this story. A lot of experienced recreatonal tennis players prefer to use 327SW to 330SW (their comfort zone). A lower swingweight would mess up their timing and swing.

The swingweight used by the ATP pros have come down in the last 10 years (maybe due to some useful/successful technologies implemented on racquets and strings). However, currently to survive in the ATP circuit, 330SW to 340SW is a meaningful range.

 

[ulunxtns]

I also know Dan Evan's play style and the shots he produces. Very doubtful about this story. A lot of experienced recreatonal tennis players prefer to use 327SW to 330SW (their comfortable zone). A lower swingweight would mess up their timing and swing.

Here is the link to the video:

And he posted Dan Evan's SW 326.5 on his own page, which he measured from Dan Evan's actual racquets. I consider that a verified fact.
If you have more reliable sources about all these numbers, please share them with us.

 

[riddick]

This is not properly verified information. Just unverified materials posted by a Youtuber.

I do not care about what gear and spec a particular ATP player uses. None of my business. I just use the racquet and string (ie. gear set-up) which are suitable for me

 

[ulunxtns]

He had Dan's Racquet in his office and he measured it.

I do not care about what gear and spec a particular ATP player uses. None of my business. I just use the racquet and string (ie. gear set-up) which are suitable for me

Now 'you do no care' lol. Your previous comments seem like you care a lot since you were 'educating' others that Pros all use 'paint job' racquets and they have much higher SW.
I do agree we should use whatever suit us, but do not comment on others when 'your facts' are simply not verified.

 

[riddick]

Tennisnerd has posted things wrong in the past and his reviews are too "canned food" like. His style is to keep producing stuff and earn some Ytube money. I just watch his posts/videos for entertainment. I would not get serious with his posts.

It's my right to be doubtful about "the Dan Evans story". It's unverified information (not much better than hearsay) to me but it's a golden fact to you (by your own standard).

There is no point in our discourse

 

[ulunxtns]

Tennisnerd has posted things wrong in the past and his reviews are too "canned food" like. His style is to keep producing stuff and earn some Ytube money. I just watch his posts/videos for entertainment. I would not get serious with his posts.

It's my right to be doubtful about "the Dan Evans story". It's unverified information (not much better than hearsay) to me but it's a golden fact to you (by your own standard).

There is no point in our discourse

Good job

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

I remember someone in this forum who actually has Alcaraz's racquet confirmed that he's using stock form VS with some customization. So not all of them are using paint job racquets. Plus the upcoming Rafa 2023 will be the racquet that he will be using since the racquet will be his specs.

The concept that a racquet is the same because it has the same specs must be such a wrong idea. What about different materials of construction, different shape/aerodynamics, technologies in the racquet, different mold etc.?

 

[ulunxtns]

The concept that a racquet is the same because it has the same specs must be such a wrong idea. What about different materials of construction, different shape/aerodynamics, technologies in the racquet, different mold etc.?

I agree that the same specs does not equal to the same racquet.
But I feel like the new Rafa will be very close to what he’s actually using since the concept is creating the actual Rafa’s racquet like RF97.
I’m not 100% sure he will use it, he probably will still use APD, but the new one is gonna be as close as you can get if you want to play his specs.

 

[Tan Tennis]

All the arguments about pro player rackets aside, I just want to say that I also hate playing against topspin players using Babolat pure drive and pure aero. the ball bounces high and push me back or forcing me to play rising ball all the time.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

I agree that the same specs does not equal to the same racquet.
But I feel like the new Rafa will be very close to what he’s actually using since the concept is creating the actual Rafa’s racquet like RF97.
I’m not 100% sure he will use it, he probably will still use APD, but the new one is gonna be as close as you can get if you want to play his specs.

I hope so but idk if they're really gonna try to make it so similar outside of the specs

 

[Moveforwardalways]

The kind of shots played by Alcaraz just could not be produced by a retail Pure Aero VS (stock form). A racquet having swingweight of 321 pts could not produce these shots…. Also, an RA of 67-68 was too high for top pros who use full body motion...

So much false in that post. Makes me wonder if you have actually spent time around the game of tennis or ever played in any real way.

 

[riddick]

A few Internet trolls are active in this forum
Some are with big egos, fixate on things/something, wanting to pick a fight here & there (attack other people).

I believe even if you disgree with someone/something, you can have the grace and acknowledge people can agree to disagree.

 

[Moveforwardalways]

A few Internet trolls are active in this forum
Some are with big egos, fixate on things/something, wanting to pick a fight here & there (attack other people).

I believe even if you disgree with someone/something, you can have the grace and acknowledge people can agree to disagree.

Would you like a list of ATP and WTA pros who use racquets with RA above 67 and swing weight in the 320’s? Or would you like to Google it yourself?

 

[TennisHound]

….

 

[riddick]

He uses a swingweight of 326.5 pts ??? (It's a joke if someone say so)
Not even if he's a kid.
He used Wilson 6.1 95 as a junior (IIRC)

The ATP professionals use modern strokes and engage full body motion. Swingweights of 330-340 pts are a piece of cake to them. They play with fast to super fast Racquet Head Speed with racquets of 340-350SW. They have good maneuvrability with such racquets.

An unsuitably low swingweight would make their swing go haywire and they cannot finely control their swingpath when going for strong shots or finishing shots. Also, they would be wickedly butchered by their opponents.

They are not the weekend tennis players, beginners or intermediates.

 

[Moveforwardalways]

He uses a swingweight of 326.5 pts ??? (It's a joke if someone say so)
Not even if he's a kid.
He used Wilson 6.1 95 as a junior (IIRC)

The ATP professionals use modern strokes and engage full body motion. Swingweights of 330-340 pts are a piece of cake to them. They play with fast to super fast Racquet Head Speed with racquets of 340-350SW. They have good maneuvrability with such racquets.

An unsuitably low swingweight would make their swing go haywire and they cannot finely control their swingpath when going for strong shots or finishing shots. Also, they would be wickedly butchered by their opponents.

They are not the weekend tennis players, beginners or intermediates.

Sure, some of them play with heavy racquets with low RA. But many do not. Fritz, Rune, Rudd, Alcaraz, Fognini, Bryan Brothers, and Kyrios come to mind on the mens side. So many Pure Drives and Pure Aeros on the WTA they can’t be listed here.

 

[Bartelby]

Because real people can't use the racquets properly, so it's enough that the frame looks like the real thing.

It's clearly aesthetics above all else!

Why don't they just make the racquets the pros actually use retail so everyone can use what they really do

 

[bobeeto]

Aaaaand we’re back to 0 days since TT ranted about pro stocks being the key to success

 

[Jonesy]

OP is just trolling. Everyone is different and have an ideal racket that suits them, but only a specialist can find that perfect racket for them. For that find the travel man with a jam. I heard he can even transform a rec player into a pro just by changing the racket.