Question about the new Prince Neos 1500

stician

Semi-Pro
My stringing experience began 18 years ago with a drop weight from Klipper Mate for $150. For two years in high school I worked at a shop that had two Neos 1000 and a Babolat Star 3. Babolat was the smoothest fastest machine I've ever used and when I went to college the Kipper Mate rusted in my parent’s basement and I tossed it. Fast forward 11 years I decided it was time to DIY again and on a limited budget pulled the trigger on the EAG-300 machine because it looked like the Neos 1000. I figured the value was too good to be true and boy was I wrong! I sucked it up and used it on probably 60 string jobs personally and did a few friends’ frames selectively as I really didn't enjoy using it. My gripe was how rough the glide bars and clamp moved. The tension head wasn’t smooth either especially the lockout release took a good amount of pressure to press back. It has some side to side slack, wobble if you will. Working on two frames back to back was about as much as I can muster before feeling mentally fatigued. I was hoping over time the machine would break in and become smoother. It’s just as rough as day one.

These past few weeks I’ve been researching endlessly for a better replacement and set a budget about $1200 starting with serious look at Silent Partner’s DG machine. Much to my dismay it is out of stock for at least 6 to 8 months; a supplier issue that the owner couldn't elaborate and it must be awful for his business. Deep down I am not 100% convinced that a rotating tension head is the best long term option since my Klipper Mate days taught me that strings crimp after a while and it was a pain to thread, wrap and secure over and over. EAG-300 has the basic upright and linear feel but the devil was in all the details. It does not rotate 360 degrees and stringing initial mains meant an awkward angle. Well actually it does rotate 360 degrees but there wasn't enough track for the crank to tension. The mounting system is crude and table lock cumbersome to use. All in it would take 35 minutes if I hustled but more like 40 minutes on most days.

I remember the Neos 1000 from 1993 was smooth and simple to use. It took about 30 minutes IIRC and 1/3 of the price of a Babolat machine it's good enough. I'm hoping a new Neos 1500 will be the last machine I buy for the next 10+ years. Since it isn’t the cheapest one when compared to Alpha and Gamma. The Neos 1500 seems like a good upgrade from the 1000 so my question is to those that have experience with both… what’s it like to use? Is it good value when compared to the Neos 1000?

TIA to this informed community!
 

flydog21

New User
Hey Stician,

I currently own the 1500, and had a 1000 years ago. I have also owned a Revo 4000 and an Eagnas Hyper something-or-other. Your Eagnas experience is similar to mine, in that the machine works but is sloppy and tiring to use.

I purchased the 1500 based on my experience with the 1000. I always regretted selling it and was tempted to buy a new one, but decided to take a chance that the 1500 would be just as good but cooler. It was a good bet. The 1500 is equally easy to mount and string the frame, but the machined turntable is just plain beautiful to look at and the clamps are excellent. I only strung a couple of frames before adding a Wise head. I have no regrets, and would do the same again in a second.

Both machines are very fine tools and a good value. The 1500 has a bit more versatility and just plain looks great. I am such a superficial person regarding the appearance, but hey, life is short!
 

stician

Semi-Pro
Hey Stician,

I currently own the 1500, and had a 1000 years ago. I have also owned a Revo 4000 and an Eagnas Hyper something-or-other. Your Eagnas experience is similar to mine, in that the machine works but is sloppy and tiring to use.

I purchased the 1500 based on my experience with the 1000. I always regretted selling it and was tempted to buy a new one, but decided to take a chance that the 1500 would be just as good but cooler. It was a good bet. The 1500 is equally easy to mount and string the frame, but the machined turntable is just plain beautiful to look at and the clamps are excellent. I only strung a couple of frames before adding a Wise head. I have no regrets, and would do the same again in a second.

Both machines are very fine tools and a good value. The 1500 has a bit more versatility and just plain looks great. I am such a superficial person regarding the appearance, but hey, life is short!

Thanks for sharing your experience. How smooth and precise is the crank assembly on the Neos? It's been so long I don't recall the feel and anything is probably better than the Eagnas at this point for me.
 

flydog21

New User
Regarding the tension head free-play, there is markedly less slop than the Eagnas which flopped around like fish in a rowboat. That said, my lack of satisfaction with my Eagnas was not with the tension head which dispite the sloppyness worked well enough. I believe that one of the ways Eagnas keeps prices low is to leave the tolerances very high so they have little rejected material. For me, the clamp base fit and movement, as well as the mounting post slop was too time consuming to deal with. The Neos (either version) is in a whole other league.

Hey it's kind of funny how things work out. After I sold the Neos 1000, I was looking at the Eagnas 300 as a replacement. But I thought I would try the Hyper as an experiment. Either way, there is nothing that puts a good machine in perspective than owning one that is not so good.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
i have a neos 1000...the crank assembly on the neos is very smooth & precise. and i agree w/ flydog21 on the mounting post slop on a few of the eagnas stringers i've owned. the turntable of my combo 910 and flex 940 both had tons of play.

however, the turntable on my flex865s which was mounted on a bearing had no slop. also, i've seen a video of the plus 6500 turntable and it is slop free as well.

overall, hard to go wrong w/ a prince neos. eagnas can be a hit or miss proposition.
 
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Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
The NEOS 1500 is a lock-out (manual)version of Prince 3000. The turnable on both machines are the same. That being said. After owning a Gamm 6004 with Self Centering 2-point mounts, the Gamma is much better than the Neos 1500, price wise. The main difference being the ease of adjusting the towers, in order to center and mount the racket head. On the Neos 1500 there is a track that has steps. Both units being the same price the better deal is the Gamma with the extras you get with the machine.
 

struggle

Legend
I agree with everything that has been said so far, generally.

I am a combo 910 owner and am happy with it, BUT if I were
stringing for a living I'd certainly want/need something nicer.

If you are only doing a few/handful of frames a month, i don't
see that it matters unless you just have to have "the best" and
on some occasions, certain instances, I go that route too. I dig.

You oughtta see my collection of rarely used chainsaws!
 

stician

Semi-Pro
The NEOS 1500 is a lock-out (manual)version of Prince 3000. The turnable on both machines are the same. That being said. After owning a Gamm 6004 with Self Centering 2-point mounts, the Gamma is much better than the Neos 1500, price wise. The main difference being the ease of adjusting the towers, in order to center and mount the racket head. On the Neos 1500 there is a track that has steps. Both units being the same price the better deal is the Gamma with the extras you get with the machine.

I see that Gamma 6004 comes with more for the same price. Can anyone post up closeup shots of the turntable and clamp system? I already know how beautiful the NEOS 1500 is from pictures posted by flydog21. TIA, keep it coming because I'm ready to pull the trigger this week.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Not to hijack too much, but comparing electronic machines, the Gamma machines really have more 'stuff' than other brands.... I was impressed. If/when I ever do upgrade my machine, a Gamma will definitely bear some looking.
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
I see that Gamma 6004 comes with more for the same price. Can anyone post up closeup shots of the turntable and clamp system? I already know how beautiful the NEOS 1500 is from pictures posted by flydog21. TIA, keep it coming because I'm ready to pull the trigger this week.

Here are pictures from TW: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/viewlarge.html?pcode=6004
Though the pictures are from a 2009 model. The main difference is the brake. You can see the new design on the Gamma site. http://www.gammasports.com/gamma.cfm?product=1107
 

stician

Semi-Pro
I'm intrigued by the offset table on the new NEOS and overall clean minimal appearance. I've decided to place an order through TW for the 1500. Will post pics of the outgoing Eagnas and incoming 1500 in due course. Thanks ya'll for helping me making this major decision.
 

jnd28

Rookie
I am a relatively new owner of a 1500. I love it. My first machine was an Eagnas 940 and it worked fine but as has been said it was always a little sloppy. I then bought a Gamma ELS 7500 used from a tennis shop. I really liked that machine as well. Very very well made and could have served me forever. It was just way too big for my family room. I had a Wise head that I used on the 940 and now am using the wise on my NEOS 1500. Great combo great well built machine. Cant imagine ever needing anything else.

You are going to love it.
 

firefox

Semi-Pro
Be aware that Neos 1500 has a big mounting platform, which I find difficult to properly mount racquets with thinner throat bridge and thick yoke beams (Babolat Aero Pro, Dunlop Max 200G), without the use of special adaptor shims.

As you can see in the picture, there is a 4mm space between the Aero Pro bridge and Neos mounting tower. You definitely don’t want to exert too much downward pressure with that space there. I am not aware if Prince makes any adaptors in different sizes and shapes.

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stician

Semi-Pro
the arrival

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I kid you not they shipped a Neos 1000 instead of the 1500 :mad: [TW rep response? We'll get back to you]

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stician

Semi-Pro
How did that happen? Did it come from TW? or was it dropped shipped?

It was drop shipped from Prince in South NJ. TW is usually good about fulfillment and as far I can tell TW executed the order correctly. My first reaction was disappointment but I was even more disappointed that it wasn't wrong the other way... like getting a 5000.
 
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LttlElvis

Professional
Be aware that Neos 1500 has a big mounting platform, which I find difficult to properly mount racquets with thinner throat bridge and thick yoke beams (Babolat Aero Pro, Dunlop Max 200G), without the use of special adaptor shims.

As you can see in the picture, there is a 4mm space between the Aero Pro bridge and Neos mounting tower. You definitely don’t want to exert too much downward pressure with that space there. I am not aware if Prince makes any adaptors in different sizes and shapes.

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Good point firefox. I have a 2 pt. Gamma 6004 and it poses the same problem with the narrow beam racquets. It only takes one scratched racquet to not make that mistake again. Gamma also doesn't have shims. My Eagnas did. I cut up a piece of rubber shelf liner to pad the throat mount. It works well.

http://www.containerstore.com/shop?productId=10024143&N=&Ntt=shelf+liner
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
It was drop shipped from Prince in South NJ. TW is usually good about fulfillment and as far I can tell TW executed the order correctly. My first reaction was disappointment but I was even more disappointed that it wasn't wrong the other way... like getting a 5000.

LOL! I would not say anything too if they happen to ship a new 5000 instead.
 

firefox

Semi-Pro
Good point firefox. I have a 2 pt. Gamma 6004 and it poses the same problem with the narrow beam racquets. It only takes one scratched racquet to not make that mistake again. Gamma also doesn't have shims. My Eagnas did. I cut up a piece of rubber shelf liner to pad the throat mount. It works well.

http://www.containerstore.com/shop?productId=10024143&N=&Ntt=shelf+liner

Yeah, I used three layers of old leather grip as shims, but a rubbery shim should be more secure. One of the many oversights of Prince engineering. :-?
The Prince 5000 mounting tower platform is shaped narrower on the outside, which should be a better fit for the narrow beam racquets.
 

stician

Semi-Pro
Eagnas EAG-300

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Neos 1500

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For my inaugural string job using the Neos 1500, I'm already getting it done at the 30 minute mark. I use a two piece method, increase knots tension by 4 lbs and reduce top five crosses by 4 lbs. I'm confident I can get it down to 25 minutes soon. The table is balanced, brake is fast, clamps are smooth and teeth are small enough to get right next to grommets, and lastly the tensioner is accurate out of the box (using a calibrator bought from Jim Henry). The frame is super easy to ingress and egress. Also Prince does throw in a set of micro tools in a carrying bag: diagonal cutter, angled needle nose plier and 3 awls (no starting or flying clamps). I have a feeling this machine was designed with speed and smoothness in mind.

Thanks again to all those that helped me make this decision :)
 
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