R o g e r F e d e r e r f o r C Y G S 2 0 1 8

[guanzishou]

H e c a n d o i t.

 

[Red Rick]

 

[merlinpinpin]

You didn't say, though--how would you feel about it?

 

[ChrisRF]

Of course it is very difficult and more likely he won’t do it, but IF he does it, it would be the greatest achievement in the history of sports.

 

[junior74]

 

[letstakeourshirtsoff]

if he does pull it off, they will have to rename september the 9th to 'Rogr Fedr day'

 

[Tennis_Hands]

OP, you ask for a miracle (and before someone says something to that effect: not because of Nadal at RG).

 

[Badabing888]

Of course it is very difficult and more likely he won’t do it, but IF he does it, it would be the greatest achievement in the history of sports.

You do realise that if by chance he did do it Anti Fed fans would just seek ways to deminish it. "Oh it doesn't count because Rafa, Novak, Murray weren't at their best peak, injured etc.../ it was achieved in a weak era etc, etc"

 

[Sum Buddy Ells]

You do realise that if by chance he did do it Anti Fed fans would just seek ways to deminish it. "Oh it doesn't count because Rafa, Novak, Murray weren't at their best peak, injured etc.../ it was achieved in a weak era etc, etc"

Or by saying Rod did it twice

 

[tennis_pro]

Too early for that, I say he'll have a better chance in 2031.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Too early for that, I say he'll have a better chance in 2031.

Fedr in a wheelchair beating all that youngsters

 

[Deleted member 742196]

You do realise that if by chance he did do it Anti Fed fans would just seek ways to deminish it. "Oh it doesn't count because Rafa, Novak, Murray weren't at their best peak, injured etc.../ it was achieved in a weak era etc, etc"

Frankly speaking, that’s a rational position for anti-fed fan.

It’s the Fake FedFans in here only interested in him winning guaranteed draws that are the warped ones.

Go to any of the clay threads - you’ll spot them lurking in the “skip clay Fed”, “don’t be greedy Fed”, “you have no chance on clay Fed”, “Theim is more of a favourite than Fed” comments.

I don’t know about CYGS, but it begins with RG2018 - which I think he most definitely has a shot at. In fact, I believe he has a better shot at RG then at USO.

One step at a time. Looks to be an amazing year for FedFans.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Frankly speaking, that’s even a rational position for anti-fed fan.

It’s the Fake FedFans in here only interested in him winning guaranteed draws that are the warped ones.

Go to any of the clay threads - you’ll spot them lurking in the “skip clay Fed”, “don’t be greedy Fed”, “you have no chance on clay Fed”, “Theim is more of a favourite than Fed” comments.

I don’t know about CYGS, but it begins with RG2018 - which I think he most definitely has a shot at. In fact, I believe he has a better shot at RG then at USO.

One step at a time. Looks to be an amazing year for FedFans.

Why do you think that?

 

[Deleted member 742196]

Why do you think that?

His 2.0 playbook “storm the net” after a mid court half-volley has trouble with flat and deep strokes.

I see him being pinned on the baseline by big/flat hitters like Cilic and Delpo, USO the ball bounce goes through the court more than other GS surfaces.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

His 2.0 playbook “storm the net” after a mid court half-volley has trouble with flat and deep strokes.

I see him being pinned on the baseline by big/flat hitters like Cilic and Delpo, USO the ball bounce goes through the court more than other GS surfaces.

What good is storming the net, if he cannot make the half volley after which it is supposed to happen?

What circumstances do you envision that say that he can rely on half volleys on clay?

 

[roysid]

No chance. Don't think Rog will play Rg

 

[D.Nalby12]

I am more than happy with 2 Slams.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

What good is storming the net, if he cannot make the half volley after which it is supposed to happen?

What circumstances do you envision that say that he can rely on half volleys on clay?

Half volleys are easier to execute on clay then hard court because more upright bounce?

Easier to time more aggressive returns?

Big hitters like Delpo/Cilic are neutralized.

I never worry about Fed’s service games, the key vulnerability through all his career has been return games. And its in his return games where clay is an excellent surface for him being aggressive.

Nobody has seen Fed try his new game on clay, anybody that talks about Fed not having a chance on it is referring to his pre 2017 baseliner days.

If anyone had insight to offer post 2017 on how his game might works on clay I’d be fascinated but everything is a variant of the “give up on clay Fed, Thiem/Zverev etc wont even let you get to Nadal” rationale.

Either way. I think he has an excellent chance of making a deep run at RG and would love for it to happen.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Half volleys are easier to execute on clay then hard court because more upright bounce?

Easier to time more aggressive returns?

Your comment begs the question: have you ever played on clay?

Like, ever.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

Your comment begs the question: have you ever played on clay?

Like, ever.

Friday:

Feel free to now shift the goalpost to how rec level has nothing to do with pro level.

Really, if you had observation(s) that were technical I’d trouble myself to factor them into my thinking but it’s all conjecture.

The whole of your perspective on clay is based on Fed’s results prior to 2017. Mine are based after 2017.

The one thing we do have in common is neither of us has seen him on clay recently.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Friday:

Feel free to now shift the goalpost to how rec level has nothing to do with pro level.

Really, if you had observation(s) that were technical I’d trouble myself to factor them into my thinking but it’s all conjecture.

The whole of your perspective on clay is based on Fed’s results prior to 2017. Mine are based after 2017.

The one thing we do have in common is neither of us has seen him on clay recently.

Most of your comments show that you have no idea.

I asked you and I will ask again: what circumstances do you envision that say that he can rely on half volleys on clay?

Have you ever attempted a half volley off of heavy spinner on clay?

Btw: this photo can be taken from anyone/anywhere.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

Most of your comments show that you have no idea.

I asked you and I will ask again: what circumstances do you envision that say that he can rely on half volleys on clay?

Have you ever attempted a half volley off of heavy spinner on clay?

Btw: this photo can be taken from anyone/anywhere.

Well, if you aren’t even going to take what I say at face value, where’s the intent in exchange?

*have you even played on clay?*
*here’s me two days ago*
*could be anyone*

Really, I’m not the sort of person suited for such conversation. If even simple things become a warfare in doubt, it’s hardly feels constructive.

What are you even looking for? A time stamp? A passport copy? A notarized statement, attested by the foreign office in triplicate, to prove it’s me?

Lawyers might be more suited for this on a forum, I’m not a lawyer nor have I ever aspired to become one.

This takes away from the things I want to be talking about, in this case why clay might even be more suited than fast-hard.

Anyway, let’s just move it along without getting mired too much into things.

There is no way you can disagree with this truism:

You’ve not seen Federer compete on clay post 2017.

I haven’t either.

Whatever both of us might believe and think about 2018 is conjecture.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Well, if you aren’t even going to take what I say at face value, where’s the intent in exchange?

*have you even played on clay?*
*here’s me two days ago*
*could be anyone*

Really, I’m not the sort of person suited for such conversation. If even simple things become a warfare in doubt, it’s hardly feels constructive.

Really, what are you even looking for? A time stamp? A passport copy? A notarized statement, attested by the foreign office in triplicate, to prove it’s me?

Lawyers might be more suited for this on a forum, I’m not a lawyer nor have I ever aspired to become one.

This takes away from the things I want to be talking about, in this case why clay might even be more suited than fast-hard.

Anyway, let’s just move it along without getting mired too much into things.

There is no way you can disagree with this truism:

You’ve not seen Federer compete on clay post 2017.

I haven’t either.

Whatever both of us might believe and think about 2018 is conjecture.

Jeebus, noone asked you to do anything except to prove that you understand what you are talking about.

Noone asked you to post pictures as they do not prove that you understand what you are saying (or anything at all), which is the essence of my post about playing on clay (or at all), so stop with the irrelevancies and answer the question, if you want to forward the conversation in any meaningful way.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

Jeebus, noone asked you to do anything except to prove that you understand what you are talking about.

Noone asked you to post pictures as they do not prove that you understand what you are saying (or anything at all), which is the essence of my post about playing on clay (or at all), so stop with the irrelevancies and answer the question, if you want to forward the conversation in any meaningful way.

Your comment begs the question: have you ever played on clay?

Like, ever.

 

[Deon Sanders]

Won't happen because he won't play dirt

And that's a good thing for him because it shows he has self respect unlike Ned and wont be pressured anymore into that garbage surface

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Obtuse on purpose or.....?

Either way, your purported claim to be interested in the subject seems rather frivolous at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

Obtuse on purpose or.....?

Either way, your purported claim to be interested in the subject seems rather frivolous at the moment.

His 2.0 playbook “storm the net” after a mid court half-volley has trouble with flat and deep strokes.

I see him being pinned on the baseline by big/flat hitters like Cilic and Delpo, USO the ball bounce goes through the court more than other GS surfaces.

What good is storming the net, if he cannot make the half volley after which it is supposed to happen?

What circumstances do you envision that say that he can rely on half volleys on clay?

Half volleys are easier to execute on clay then hard court because more upright bounce?

Easier to time more aggressive returns?

Big hitters like Delpo/Cilic are neutralized.

I never worry about Fed’s service games, the key vulnerability through all his career has been return games. And its in his return games where clay is an excellent surface for him being aggressive.

Nobody has seen Fed try his new game on clay, anybody that talks about Fed not having a chance on it is referring to his pre 2017 baseliner days.

If anyone had insight to offer post 2017 on how his game might works on clay I’d be fascinated but everything is a variant of the “give up on clay Fed, Thiem/Zverev etc wont even let you get to Nadal” rationale.

Either way. I think he has an excellent chance of making a deep run at RG and would love for it to happen.

Your comment begs the question: have you ever played on clay?

Like, ever.

Friday:

Feel free to now shift the goalpost to how rec level has nothing to do with pro level.

Really, if you had observation(s) that were technical I’d trouble myself to factor them into my thinking but it’s all conjecture.

The whole of your perspective on clay is based on Fed’s results prior to 2017. Mine are based after 2017.

The one thing we do have in common is neither of us has seen him on clay recently.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

That is enough for me to know that your talk about Federer's current style and clay is thin air.

And it is not that Federer cannot play with it, I am sure he can and hope he will at some point.

In this particular instance it is about a "well-wisher" that has no prayer, if he has to explain why Federer should play, beyond his hope that he will get injured.

What is extremely amusing to me is the following: this borders on the superstition, as whether Federer plays doesn't mean that he will get injured, or that he will necessarily win/lose any tournament after the clay court season. He can get injured while bathing the kids, as the history shows, which will not stop him from doing what he decides to do.

Here comes the second point which is: noone is fooled that that newly found appreciation for Federer's game on clay has any roots in actually liking watching him play. The number of Nadal fans that want that as well as the type of their reasoning for that signals that there isn't much difference between them and individuals such as yourself (who cannot explain even his own words).

One can only confirm that by reading opinions like "Edberg thinks/advises Federer to not play clay, because he himself was not successful on the surface, and thinks that Federer will not be as well with similar tactic".

So, Rusty, time to find something else.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

That is enough for me to know that your talk about Federer's current style and clay is thin air.

And it is not that Federer cannot play with it, I am sure he can and hope he will at some point.

In this particular instance it is about a "well-wisher" that has no prayer, if he has to explain why Federer should play, beyond his hope that he will get injured.

What is extremely amusing to me is the following: this borders on the superstition, as whether Federer plays doesn't mean that he will get injured, or that he will necessarily win/lose any tournament after the clay court season. He can get injured while bathing the kids, as the history shows, which will not stop him from doing what he decides to do.

Here comes the second point which is: noone is fooled that that newly found appreciation for Federer's game on clay has any roots in actually liking watching him play. The number of Nadal fans that want that as well as the type of their reasoning for that signals that there isn't much difference between them and individuals such as yourself (who cannot explain even his own words).

One can only confirm that by reading opinions like "Edberg thinks/advises Federer to not play clay, because he himself was not successful on the surface, and thinks that Federer will not be as well with similar tactic".

So, Rusty, time to find something else.

I think he won't. Because this is what he said about last year's decision:

During all that, you make the decision of not playing on clay …

– Yes. Late on, actually. Because I was on clay. I told myself: I’ll see how I feel, where I’m at. Honestly, it was a coin-flip situation. I remember exactly where we were and how we decided. My entourage told me: ‘If you do it, Roger, think it over carefully. Because it will be a month where you’ll work like crazy. It won’t be easy, and what will it get you? Because if you don’t win Roland … And my physio was worried about my knee that had bugged me the year before. My conditioning coach, Pierre [Paganini] told me: ‘Listen, there’s so much work to do before playing on clay, and, in the end, what’s the goal? Just playing? It’s your decision.’ The coaches told me: if the priority is Wimbledon, you have to really think about it. Twenty-four hours later, I told myself: bah, you know what? OK, it’s tough, but it’s wise. It was the first time in my life I said no to a Slam while feeling healthy. Because the year before I pulled out of Roland with a bad back and knee, and I couldn’t play the US Open because of the knee. There was a solid reason each time. But this was a first and it was weird, yeah …


In hindsight, wasn’t it the best decision you made this year?

– No, no. It doesn’t give me any pleasure withdrawing from a tournament. I’m still a competitor. In hindsight, it wasn’t a bad decision, but it wasn’t a good one either, if it had turned out I could play on clay anyway, and still play on grass after, like I’ve done my whole career, in fact. Even in hindsight, I see what you mean, but I won’t accept it. It was an important and difficult decision to make because I was healthy.

Sounds to me like someone who instinctively regrets a decision that had to be made but also realises it was correct. And that logic applies just as much this year if not more.

Full interview:

https://tennistranslations.wordpress.com/2017/12/

 

[acintya]

oh man. you are boring.
I˙d rather watch Gonzales wipe his a $ $ on the main clay court all day long than Fed win RG again - which was pure luck. In case you are a noob and have no idea about what I am talking about:

 

[Deleted member 742196]

oh man. you are boring.
I˙d rather watch Gonzales wipe his *** on the main clay court all day long than Fed win RG again - which was pure luck. In case you are a noob and have no idea about what I am talking:

Fair enough. I'd rather watch him win the slam that has had the most tension/questions in his career - the exact opposite of boring.

Everyone's got their own ideas.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

We can dream, can't we?

In reality he probably won't play RG anyway.
If Nadal is still toast then he should though.

 

[Steve0904]

It's not a realistic goal no matter how positive minded you want to be about it. If by some extremely slim chance he won RG, he'd likely be tired for Wimbledon, and that's not even looking at his troubles at the USO since 2008. I don't think it's a coincidence that the USO has become harder for Federer to win over the years as he's gotten older. It's the last slam on the calendar and as such I don't think he comes into it 100% fresh. Nobody does of course, but Federer's the oldest top contender left.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

oh man. you are boring.
I˙d rather watch Gonzales wipe his a $ $ on the main clay court all day long than Fed win RG again - which was pure luck. In case you are a noob and have no idea about what I am talking about:

Gonzalez was awesome.

 

[acintya]

Fair enough. I'd rather watch him win the slam that has had the most tension/questions in his career - the exact opposite of boring.

Everyone's got their own ideas.

you are right - but also - dont you think we need some changes in tennis? who the hell will take the lead in the tennis world - i am happy everytime someone beats Federer. why? because then i see some future in tennis. now it just looks like everything is ****ed up.

as i said million times - tennis has become so sterile. manhood is outta this world i guess - men turning into women and women turn into men - that means *****-s play what should be called a mans game.

so im just thinking - what the **** do federer fans want? instead for rooting for this old man they should see that we need a new hero or we can say goodbye to tennis.

imagine Federer would retire tomorrow? he would leave a big black hole behind which would suck up the whole tennis game. tennis would become unwatchable.

 

[smoledman]

Hecantdoit.

 

[Steve0904]

You do realise that if by chance he did do it Anti Fed fans would just seek ways to deminish it. "Oh it doesn't count because Rafa, Novak, Murray weren't at their best peak, injured etc.../ it was achieved in a weak era etc, etc"

That wouldn't matter one bit. Everybody knows the fanboys/girls are already insane. Their opinions aren't worth the dirt on the bottom of my boots.

Any objective fan would know that Federer winning the CYGS (he won't but if he did) would rank up there as one of the greatest achievements in sporting history. I don't say the greatest simply because you can't compare sports.

 

[donquijote]

If he does it at this age,I will start worshipping him.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

you are right - but also - dont you think we need some changes in tennis? who the hell will take the lead in the tennis world - i am happy everytime someone beats Federer. why? because then i see some future in tennis. now it just looks like everything is ****ed up.

as i said million times - tennis has become so sterile. manhood is outta this world i guess - men turning into women and women turn into men - that means *****-s play what should be called a mans game.

so im just thinking - what the **** do federer fans want? instead for rooting for this old man they should see that we need a new hero or we can say goodbye to tennis.

imagine Federer would retire tomorrow? he would leave a big black hole behind which would suck up the whole tennis game. tennis would become unwatchable.

It’s going to sound childish but as long as Nadal remains in the hunt I want Fed to continue cementing his legacy.

But you’re right. If both would retire, that might be best for tennis overall, and yes, perhaps me too.

The perfect end to this in my mind is Fed beats Nadal at RG, and Nadal beats Fed a month later at Wimbledon. USO some new guy breaks through.

I can relate to this post.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

If Rafa is out of RG then Fed can definately win there but I don't think he'll play regardless.

The US Open will be tough for him to win too - it's been 10 years. It seems to be one of the tougher slams for anyone to win consistently lately - even Djoker struggled during the years where he dominated at the AO. I guess if Fed arrives at the US Open with the Grand Slam on the line, there wouldn't be a better time for him to find a way to break his US Open title drought.

 

[I am the Greatest!]

This is like asking for a dead man to get back to life today. This will take a miracle.

 

[justasport]

if he stays healthy I believe it will be done....staying healthy is a huge if though at 36/37 years old

 

[moonballs]

His 2.0 playbook “storm the net” after a mid court half-volley has trouble with flat and deep strokes.

I see him being pinned on the baseline by big/flat hitters like Cilic and Delpo, USO the ball bounce goes through the court more than other GS surfaces.

Half-volleys for the win? Really?

What about the most important shot in Tennis?