Then Hewitt and Nishikori have the best drop in the world!Depends how you define open racquet drop, but Yes.
Then Hewitt and Nishikori have the best drop in the world!
I know, that’s why I said best drop, not best serve.Racquet drop isn't everything you know? Don't blame their racquet drop
Well they don't have the best open racquet drop. Sampras doesDo you agree they have the best drop?
Then Hewitt and Nishikori have the best drop in the world!
You’re missing something. We’re not just throwing the racket at the ball. We’re throwing and rotating at the same time to increase the speed of the racket face into the ball.
I think you should shave, that would make you look 20 years younger
Good points. Both about shaving and forced pronation.I think you should shave, that would make you look 20 years younger
I think the pronation stuff is overrrated, a lot of times it just makes the wrist hurt so much when forced. And at the high speed there has to be less logical movement or else the timing will not be right as well esp when all those servers can aim really well.
That's just my opinion about serves
Tried. Makes me look 10 years younger only. Not worth the dumb activity.think you should shave, that would make you look 20 years younger
The glasses make you look smarter.Tried. Makes me look 10 years younger only. Not worth the dumb activity.
It looks to me like you are using a grip that is a little toward eastern forehand from continental, and that is the cause of your fugly racquet drop. Most top pro servers have a grip slightly toward the backhand grip from continental.
OP is in denial about his serve grip. He thinks it is continental.This. Hard to get anywhere with the wrong grip. That causes bigger issues than racquet drop.
Trav, shall we put an end to this nonsense??OP is in denial about his serve grip. He thinks it is continental.
I’m talking about the very topic of this thread. Trying to define continental grip by heel pad or knuckle location is too vague (only limits it to a 45-deg range).Trav, shall we put an end to this nonsense??
Tell me the reference points for the conti grip you’re talking about? You seem very confident about your eyesight!
I can’t believe you’re so stubbornly ignorant about this. Does Raonic have a western backhand serve grip then? How is that angle reliable?? Do you take the wrist flexion and forearm rotation at the ready position into account at all? I know what a conti grip is, I use different variations of it deliberately at times not randomly. So please stop this nonsense!I’m talking about the very topic of this thread. Trying to define continental grip by heel pad or knuckle location is too vague.
It is much easier to look at what the racquet face does to know if your grip is correct. All of the these reference points tell me that your grip is “Aussie” rather than full continental. When you reach forward with both hands at the start of your serve, the racquetface is vertical. In general, the racquetface for most high-level servers (including Sampras) will be tilted about 30 degrees from vertical at that point. This is because they are using a different grip (about 20-30 degrees rotated from yours).
The second obvious cue that your grip is the very topic of this thread. Your racquet doesn’t pronate very much just before contact because your grip is weak. Fix your grip, and you will naturally have to probate just like Pete.
I can’t believe you’re so stubbornly ignorant about this.
Most of the best servers use a grip that is between continental and bh grip. Raonic is almost full bh grip. Same with Goran. Pete is closer to continental, but slightly on the backhand side (stronger side) of continental. Yours is different. Your grip is on the weaker side of continental. Big difference.I can’t believe you’re so stubbornly ignorant about this. Does Raonic have a western backhand serve grip then? How is that angle reliable?? Do you take the wrist flexion and forearm rotation at the ready position into account at all? I know what a conti grip is, I use different variations of it deliberately at times not randomly. So please stop this nonsense!
Perhaps I will try to film a couple of my own serves using 3 different grips: using your grip, then with full conti, and then with bh, to demonstrate how the degree of pronation is linked to the grip.I can’t believe you’re so stubbornly ignorant about this. Does Raonic have a western backhand serve grip then? How is that angle reliable?? Do you take the wrist flexion and forearm rotation at the ready position into account at all? I know what a conti grip is, I use different variations of it deliberately at times not randomly. So please stop this nonsense!
Please rotate your grip 20-30 degrees from there, and then film your serve. I think you will be surprised by what you find.Are there any other geniuses here who think this serve grip is not continental?! I want to know.
I do that on second serves.Please rotate your grip 20-30 degrees from there, and then film your serve. I think you will be surprised by what you find.
Is your 2nd serve prettier?I do that on second serves.
You still don’t get it. I already told you that I used the same grip on all serves that you see in the first video but still managed to drop the racket on edge by changing the swing only ie trying to hit the ball with the edge of the frame. But you keep disregarding what I say as you’re bloody stuck with your claim about my grip. Phew!!Is your 2nd serve prettier?
You still don’t get it. I already told you that I used the same grip on all serves that you see in the first video but still managed to drop the racket on edge by changing the swing only ie trying to hit the ball with the edge of the frame. But you keep disregarding what I say as you’re bloody stuck with your claim about my grip. Phew!!
I am just trying help. I maintain that your grip is not at all the same grip as Sampras uses. He hits most of his serves, both first and second, with what most would call “strong continental”. Your grip as shown in OP, in contrast, is “weak continental.” You are complaining about your ugly racquet drop, yet you don’t want to hear the answer. Shift your grip for your first serve, and your racquet will naturally follow a different path to the ball, and your serve will look less like a 3.5 serve and more like a pro.You still don’t get it. I already told you that I used the same grip on all serves that you see in the first video but still managed to drop the racket on edge by changing the swing only ie trying to hit the ball with the edge of the frame. But you keep disregarding what I say as you’re bloody stuck with your claim about my grip. Phew!!
Yes, absolutely.Did not read entire thread...
Bottom line is that your drop issue is completely fixed now by thinking of contacting with edge?
We don’t know how better/worse their serves would be with an on-edge racket drop, do we
I get it that you are using the same bloody grip. If you are tired of people telling you to change your grip, then stop showing us video of you using the same bloody grip. It’s the first thing I noticed when I watched the video is that your grip is weak - it’s the number one giveaway of a 3.5 level serve, and I mean that in a constructive way because I think you can correct it.Are you guys crazy??
How many times do I need to say it?
In the first video of this thread, when I started dropping the racket on edge I was still using the same bloody grip. I didn’t change it. The racket dropping with open face happens no matter which grip I use, UNLESS I CHANGE THE WAY I SWING!
I don’t agree with the grip thing either but ok keep it separate from this thread then. At least accept that the open drop is not related to my grip and we will move on. Or keep talking about the grip, it’s up to you.I get it that you are using the same bloody grip. If you are tired of people telling you to change your grip, then stop showing us video of you using the same bloody grip. It’s the first thing I noticed when I watched the video is that your grip is weak - it’s the number one giveaway of a 3.5 level serve, and I mean that in a constructive way because I think you can correct it.
I will agree to disagree.I don’t agree with the grip thing either but ok keep it separate from this thread then. At least accept that the open drop is not related to my grip and we will move on. Or keep talking about the grip, it’s up to you.
You still think my open racket drop is from my grip??I will agree to disagree.
Yep. Show me a serve with a bh grip and let’s see what that does to the racquet drop.You still think my open racket drop is from my grip??
Ok I will but am worried you will say that’s not real backhand grip!Yep. Show me a serve with a bh grip and let’s see what that does to the racquet drop.
Yep. Show me a serve with a bh grip and let’s see what that does to the racquet drop.
Thank you. I’ve told him the same thing many times but I think he has a childhood trauma with grips! He can’t get over it.But he says the drop issue is fixed when he focuses on contacting with edge. And that he is always using the same grip (whatever grip that might be)...
Thank you. I’ve told him the same thing many times but I think he has a childhood trauma with grips! He can’t get over it.
I'm using the same grip on all of those serves in the video, which is continental by description ie both the first knuckle and the heel pad on bevel two.
Are there any other geniuses here who think this serve grip is not continental?! I want to know.