Rackets used by pro's from mid 80's to late 90's

[LeoFulgencio]

I concentrated more on uncommon player or rackets. Most of the rackets are from the 80's, 90's.

RoxPro

Puma Davis Cup / / Puma BB Winner / / Puma Red / / Puma BB Super

Pro Kennex Composite Destiny

Slazenger Phantom / / Slazenger Quadro

Donnay Pro Cynetic / / Donnay Pro Cynetic 1 ? / / Donnay Pro Cynetic ? / / Donnay Pro One 1 + 2 / / Donnay "Stadler" / / Donnay

Dunlop / / Dunlop Max 200G / / Dunlop

Dynamic ?

Emrik

Estusa BB Provantech

Fox

Major Bullit / / Major Bullit / / Major

Sfida

Völkl ---- Völkl ---- Völkl ----- Völkl ---- Völkl TR-25 ---- Völkl Pro 30-T ---- Völkl FCS 1 -- 2 -- 3 -- 4

Prince Aluminium --- Prince CTS Synergy DB OS ---- Prince Response 1 -- 2 ------ Prince + 2

Prince Vortex ------- Prince Thriple Threat Graphite 1 + 2 ----- Prince ---- Prince Woodie 1 + 2

Prince ----- Prince Boron

 

[LeoFulgencio]

Snauwaert ATP Tour / / Snauwaert / / Snauwaert / / Snauwaert

Spalding Orbi-Tech

"S"

Rossignol FT 5.80: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 / / Rossignol / / / Rossignol

Lacoste Equijet

Yonex

Head Edge / / Head Director / / Head I. / / Head Elite Master: 1 - 2 - 3 / / Head PC 600: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10

Head PT630: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7

Head Graphite Pro: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8

Fischer Vacuum Pro: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7

Yamaha Xam / / Yamaha Secret 04

Kneissl Reach 1 / / Kneissl Reach 2 / / Kneissl / / Kneissl

Sportastic

Tecnifibre

Wilson Profile 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5

 

[LeoFulgencio]

Wilson Pro Staff Classic 1 -- 2 -- 3 -- 4 -- 5 -- 6 -- 7 -- 8

Wilson Pro Staff Midsize 1 (clone) -- 2 (clone) -- 3 -- 4 -- 5 -- 6 -- 7 -- 8 -- 9

Wilson 1 -- 2 -- 3 -- 4 -- 5

 

[struggle]

Amazing that pro's used a Wilson Profile in any form.

 

[Steve Huff]

Some companies went downhill so fast. Volkl seemed to have some pretty big names, and it's as if they just quit sponsoring pros. Prince took quite a big nosedive too, considering some of the names they had.

 

[am1899]

Some companies went downhill so fast. Volkl seemed to have some pretty big names, and it's as if they just quit sponsoring pros. Prince took quite a big nosedive too, considering some of the names they had.

Kinda in the same vein...I was struck by how many of those mfg’s are now defunct.

 

[PBODY99]

VIJAY AMRITRAJ was using the Orbi-Tech Splading frame one of my frames of that era.
Yannick Noah was using a Yamaha 04
Arantxa Sanchez Slazenger Phantom constructed using the same tech but different mold as the Max 200G
Annabel Croft was using the YAMAHA XAM. I can't tell if it is a 4 or 6

Thanks for posting

 

[coachrick]

Amazing that pro's used a Wilson Profile in any form.

I did a mini-clinic with Tom Gullickson when he was using the Profile Largehead. His lefty kick serve had me returning from the adjacent court!!!! ca 1991, IIRC
I don't recall the ATP tour player who used the 95(I want to say it was Jim Pugh)at the same Atlanta event...strung with Pro-Blend at max tension...what a brick!!!

 

[coachrick]

Some companies went downhill so fast. Volkl seemed to have some pretty big names, and it's as if they just quit sponsoring pros. Prince took quite a big nosedive too, considering some of the names they had.

That German fellow who "controlled" Volkl tennis really messed things up in the early 2000s...according to one of their largest pro shop accounts in the States.

 

[vsbabolat]

I did a mini-clinic with Tom Gullickson when he was using the Profile Largehead. His lefty kick serve had me returning from the adjacent court!!!! ca 1991, IIRC
I don't recall the ATP tour player who used the 95(I want to say it was Jim Pugh)at the same Atlanta event...strung with Pro-Blend at max tension...what a brick!!!

Yes, it was Jim that used the 95

 

[vsbabolat]

That German fellow who "controlled" Volkl tennis really messed things up in the early 2000s...according to one of their largest pro shop accounts in the States.

Yes, that German fellow really hurt Völkl tennis badly. I don’t think they have ever fully recovered

 

[retrowagen]

It should also be borne in mind that in the early 1990’s, most of the European manufacturers who were seemingly flourishing in the 1980’s were more or less forced by currency markets, tightening labor and environmental regulations and costs, and a regional economic depression to relocate production to East Asian OEM’s, as a matter of survival. At the same time, the tennis boom market of the mid 80’s (think Boris and Steffi’s Germany, circa 1986) was rapidly going bust, and the racquet business was becoming more of an incremental annual remarketing exercise rather than R&D driven. The military and aerospace industries glommed onto carbon fiber, driving the cost up via demand, and making quality materials too expensive, or simply unavailable. The immense amount of prize money and appearance money floating around the ATP and WTA tours (especially the ATP) was also conditioning pros to seek lucrative racquet contracts (Donnay Agassi, for instance), which many of these smaller Euro brands discovered did not return on the investment with sufficient retail sales.

It was a perfect storm of bad conditions, ultimately killing the tennis production of most of the old European brands: Kneissl, Adidas, Rossignol, Donnay, Snauwaert, Fischer...

Investor groups have tried to purchase brands to assign an old European name to a new Asian-made product, with several redux of Donnay, Kneissl, and recently a reboot of Snauwaert. Adidas tried to market an unremarkable line of Chinese-made racquets in the late 2000’s, quickly gone. Rossignol and Fischer still produce skis, but fewer and fewer in their respective home countries. Head still has their tennis design studio in Austria, but their racquet production for retail consumption occurs in the same series of factories in China, who produce units for the other major (and minor) brands. Voelkl somehow manages to survive, despite its management. Prince, as a company, has been bought and sold numerous times since Benetton owned it in the late 80’s, and with each subsequent sale, its future has seemed more unclear.

Racquets is quite a racket! It has been difficult for it to be a profitable business since 1989 or so.

 

[BorgCash]

Kneissl White Star Pro, Adidas GTX Pro and Pro-T(Ivan), Rossi F200 Carbon (Mats), Prince Magnesium Pro 90 (Pat), Emrik Magnum (Wally Masur), Prince Original Graphite (many incl Paul McNamee), Slazenger Panther Pro Ceramics (Jimbo), Wimbledon ( Ken Flach, Joakim Nystrom), Pro-Kennex Silver Ace (Robert Seguso),...

 

[muddlehead]

Love the Wilson Profile 2.7 95 pics. (I can't tell if Pearce's racket is the blue tint 3.6. ) Very cool. It's the racket I play with. I knew about Pugh. Hadn't seen the others. Gully no less. Thx for the pics.

I think MM-F's racket in pic 4 is the lighter aluminum version, the Hammer.

 

[NicoMK]

So many great frames compared to most of the sh** that we now have. I'm talking about retail frames. Pro stock is yet another planet.

 

[BorgCash]

So many great frames compared to most of the sh** that we now have. I'm talking about retail frames. Pro stock is yet another planet.

All stock frames of the 80's are probably the same quality as modern pro stock.

 

[NicoMK]

All stock frames of the 80's are probably the same quality as modern pro stock.

Sure. I was talking about retail frames which, for me, aren't the same quality as they were 30-40 years ago.

 

[surrealfx]

My first tennis coach used Rox Pro. I think he was sponsored by them. My dad has some Fox rackets in the closet. I used the C-10 pro for a few years as a child. At a Volkl demo day at my club, I told the rep that I used it, and he gave me a Felix Mantilla poster.

 

[BorgCash]

Sure. I was talking about retail frames which, for me, aren't the same quality as they were 30-40 years ago.

Sure, now retail frames are on their way to garbage quality compare with old ones.

 

[NicoMK]

My first tennis coach used Rox Pro. I think he was sponsored by them. My dad has some Fox rackets in the closet. I used the C-10 pro for a few years as a child. At a Volkl demo day at my club, I told the rep that I used it, and he gave me a Felix Mantilla poster.

Great!

Now kids want to play with the Babs and they get Rafa's posters.

 

[Grieeegoorr]

Yannick really was power hungry, lead tape and power pads on a Secret 04, no wonder he is choking up on the grip

 

[LeoFulgencio]

Yamaha Secret 06 ---- Yamaha ----- Yamaha ---- Yamaha Secret 04 ---- Yamaha -------- Yamaha

Dunlop Max Impact ----- Dunlop Max 200G ------ Dunlop Rim ------- Dunlop Max 200G (Alexander Zverev)

Dunlop Max 200G -------- Dunlop Max 200G ----- Dunlop Max 200G -------- Dunlop Revelation Tour Pro

Dunlop Revelation Select Pro

Puma ----- Puma ----- Puma Top Speed ------ Puma Vilas Power

Mad Raq ---- Mad Raq

Tecnifibre1 ---- Tecnifibre2

Miller

Major Bullit ----- Major "black"

Spalding ----- Browning

Unknown ----- Unknown

Kneissl White Star

Pro Kennex ----- Pro Kennex Silver Ace ----- Pro Kennex ----- Pro Kennex

Pro Kennex Composite Destini AVC -------- Pro Kennex

MegaAge

Wimbledon Boron ----- Wimbledon Boron -------- Wimbledon Boron

Slazenger Phantom

Yonex Cyborg 2200 ----- Yonex Super RQ500 ----- Yonex RQ-380 ----- Yonex RD-7
Yonex RD Ti70

Head Pyramid Tour

Bridgestone -------- Bridgestone

Toalson

Estusa

Spalding

 

[LeoFulgencio]

Head Prestige: 1 --- 2 ----- 3 ---- 4 ---- 5 ----- 6 ----- 7

Head Pro Tour 630: 1 ---- 2 ----- 3 ----- 4

Head Graphite Pro: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4

Head ----- Head ----- Head Elite Pro ------ Head Elektra Pro ---- Head Elite Master

Völkl Pro ------ Völkl TR-25 ------ Völkl ----- Völkl ----- Völkl ----- Völkl C7 Pro ----- Völkl Catapult V1 ----- Völkl "black" Korda

Völkl TR-25

Prince Graphite Pro ---- Prince Precision 730 ---- Prince ----- Prince Mag Pro (Pioline): 1 ---- 2 ----- 3 ----- Prince

Prince Spectrum Comp ------- Prince Original Graphite 90 ------ Prince O. G. ------ Prince Spectrum Comp

Spalding

Lacoste

 

[LeoFulgencio]

Donnay P C ----- Donnay Pro One ------ Donnay Pro One OS ----- Donnay Pro One ----- Donnay VST ------ Donnay VST

Wilson Profile 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7A - 7B

Wilson Pro Staff Classic 1 -- 2 -- 3 -- 4 -- 5 -- 6 -- 12x16: 7A -- 7B

Wilson Ultra 2: -- 1 -- 2 ----- Wilson Ultra PFK ----- Wilson Hyper Carbon Pro Staff with Völkl stencil / / / Fischer with Völkl stencil / / /

Wilson Pro Staff 7.0 PJ ----- Wilson Pro Staff 7.0 ------ Wilson Pro Staff 7.0 ----- Wilson Pro Staff 7.0 ----- Wilson Pro Staff 7.0

Wilson Sting -------- Wilson Sting ------ Wilson PS Midsize PS PJ ------ Wilson + 1 ------ Wilson Pro Staff Midsize ---

Tim Henman's transition from Wilson Pro Staff Classic to Slazenger: 1 ---- 2 ---- 3 ---- 4 ---- 5 ---- 6

Wilson Pro Staff 6.6 ---- Wilson Pro Staff Midsize (his tennis career ended by a car crash in 1989 at age of 22) --- Wilson Pro Staff

Snauwaert Graphite Mid ----- Snauwaert Graphite Mid ------ Snauwaert ATP Tour: 1 ------ 2 ------ 3 ------- Snauwaert

 

[JW10S]

the 'unknown' racquet in the hands of Andrew Sznajder pictured above is a Spalding--but I don't know specifically which one. That is the logo they used for their last generation of racquets.

 

[LeoFulgencio]

the 'unknown' racquet in the hands of Andrew Sznajder pictured above is a Spalding--but I don't specifically which one. That is the logo they used for their last generation of racquets.

Thanks! I changed it to Spalding.

 

[daddabompa]

Thanks! I changed it to Spalding.

Wrong editing, sorry.
Profit to congrats for the thread, really good!

 

[michael valek]

Yannick really was power hungry, lead tape and power pads on a Secret 04, no wonder he is choking up on the grip

This - because they aren’t heavy enough of course

 

[BorgCash]

Yamaha Secret 06 ---- Yamaha ----- Yamaha ---- Yamaha Secret 04 ---- Yamaha -------- Yamaha

Dunlop Max Impact ----- Dunlop Max 200G ------ Dunlop Rim ------- Dunlop Max 200G (Alexander Zverev)

Dunlop Max 200G -------- Dunlop Max 200G ----- Dunlop Max 200G -------- Dunlop Revelation Tour Pro

Dunlop Revelation Select Pro

Puma ----- Puma ----- Puma Top Speed ------ Puma Vilas Power

Mad Raq ---- Mad Raq

Tecnifibre1 ---- Tecnifibre2

Miller

Major Bullit ----- Major "black"

Browning ? ----- Browning

Unknown ----- Unknown

Kneissl White Star

Pro Kennex ----- Pro Kennex Silver Ace ----- Pro Kennex ----- Pro Kennex

Pro Kennex Composite Destini AVC -------- Pro Kennex

MegaAge

Wimbledon Boron ----- Wimbledon Boron -------- Wimbledon Boron

Slazenger Phantom

Yonex Cyborg 2200 ----- Yonex Super RQ500 ----- Yonex RQ-380 ----- Yonex RD-7
Yonex RD Ti70

Head Pyramid Tour

Bridgestone -------- Bridgestone

Toalson

Estusa

Spalding

I don't think that Jarryd used Browning. He played with Fischer Vacuum Pro 90.

 

[LeoFulgencio]

I don't think that Jarryd used Browning. He played with Fischer Vacuum Pro 90.

It's actually a Spalding, has the same string stencil as Andrew Sznajder's racket.

 

[JW10S]

It's actually a Spalding, has the same string stencil as Andrew Sznajder's racket.

Yes it's a Spalding, the stencil looks to be hand drawn and not as clean as the one on Szajder's racquet but it's the same logo. Also the racquet listed by "S" with Renzo Furlan is also a Spalding with the older string logo.

I really like this thread btw.

 

[teachingprotx]

Awesome thread ! Best in years

 

[BorgCash]

It's actually a Spalding, has the same string stencil as Andrew Sznajder's racket.

I see that it is Spalding stencil, but i've never heard that Jarryd played with Spalding. He used Donnay Borg Pro Mid and then became a Fischer guy for a long period.

 

[BorgCash]

It's actually a Spalding, has the same string stencil as Andrew Sznajder's racket.

Great thread, btw

 

[retrowagen]

Enjoying the photos of more obscure players of the 80’s and 90’s (and their weapons!).

Andrew Snajder used to participate on this forum, s few years back.

 

[vsbabolat]

I see that it is Spalding stencil, but i've never heard that Jarryd played with Spalding. He used Donnay Borg Pro Mid and then became a Fischer guy for a long period.

In 1989 he used Spalding and then went back to Fischer

https://imgur.com/a/TjhzXyb

 

[BorgCash]

In 1989 he used Spalding and then went back to Fischer

https://imgur.com/a/TjhzXyb

Strange, not a pj? Missed this period, guess it wasn't long.

 

[13GATOSNEGROS]

Tim Mayotte and Bettina Bunge with my then favourite racket, the Head Professional. They both used this great stick during the very early 80s.

Even though i tried/used ANY racket i could get my hands on, at the end of the day i always returned to my beloved redhead.

 

[tennistiger]

I did a mini-clinic with Tom Gullickson when he was using the Profile Largehead. His lefty kick serve had me returning from the adjacent court!!!! ca 1991, IIRC
I don't recall the ATP tour player who used the 95(I want to say it was Jim Pugh)at the same Atlanta event...strung with Pro-Blend at max tension...what a brick!!!

Paul Chamberlin and Luis Herrera with Profile 95.

 

[13GATOSNEGROS]

PS: two Head Pros - same size/weight - but two different rackets; no.1 plays supersweet as usual, no.2 feels heavy and difficult to maneuver (my choice for thundering balls against the wall).

 

[Sanglier]

Tim Mayotte and Bettina Bunge with my then favourite racket, the Head Professional. They both used this great stick during the very early 80s.

Even though i tried/used ANY racket i could get my hands on, at the end of the day i always returned to my beloved redhead.

You were more faithful to your redhead than Bunge, who switched to the larger Tournament Pro in an effort to add serve & volley to her game, initially with disastrous results, before eventually working out what she needed with the help of Head technicians, as she was doing here at the Maark Corp plant in New Jersey (from a 1983 article in Tennis magazine):

 

[13GATOSNEGROS]

Is she wearin' pajama pants?

 

[galain]

I see that it is Spalding stencil, but i've never heard that Jarryd played with Spalding. He used Donnay Borg Pro Mid and then became a Fischer guy for a long period.

Jarryd did play with a Spalding or awhile. I'd never seen him holding a Völkl until this thread appeared though!

 

[coachrick]

Tim Mayotte and Bettina Bunge with my then favourite racket, the Head Professional. They both used this great stick during the very early 80s.

Even though i tried/used ANY racket i could get my hands on, at the end of the day i always returned to my beloved redhead.

Certainly one of my favorites from the late '70s-81 or so. I can take partial credit for the Mayotte family's switch to HEAD as Chris(older brother of Tim) was the #1 player at South Carolina and we helped him transition from wood(mostly Bancroft Players Special with custom graphics for our shop) to something more durable. Tim, of course, switched to the composite models(Graphite Master was one, I believe) later and I'm not sure what model Chris used for his brief pro career.
One particularly fun time was when Chris got SIX new Red Heads the day before the team was to leave for Athens, GA and the NCAA championships. Yep....I got all strung for him in time to make the trip!! Leoina 66 @ 64#, IIRC (He traded his HEAD nat gut for Leoina as the gut was too powerful and fragile).

From time to time, I would treat myself to a new 4 5/8L RedHead with a Fairway grip wrapped ON TOP of the factory leather...strung with Babolat AFV @ 62-64#.....SWEET !!!

 

[coachrick]

Certainly one of my favorites from the late '70s-81 or so. I can take partial credit for the Mayotte family's switch to HEAD as Chris(older brother of Tim) was the #1 player at South Carolina and we helped him transition from wood(mostly Bancroft Players Special with custom graphics for our shop) to something more durable. Tim, of course, switched to the composite models(Graphite Master was one, I believe) later and I'm not sure what model Chris used for his brief pro career.
One particularly fun time was when Chris got SIX new Red Heads the day before the team was to leave for Athens, GA and the NCAA championships. Yep....I got all strung for him in time to make the trip!! Leoina 66 @ 64#, IIRC (He traded his HEAD nat gut for Leoina as the gut was too powerful and fragile).

From time to time, I would treat myself to a new 4 5/8L RedHead with a Fairway grip wrapped ON TOP of the factory leather...strung with Babolat AFV @ 62-64#.....SWEET !!!

A pic of Chris in his Boast/South Carolina team kit...with his HEAD aluminum racket!!

https://live.staticflickr.com/4099/4943399586_dc61266b7f_b.jpg

 

[13GATOSNEGROS]

Certainly one of my favorites from the late '70s-81 or so. I can take partial credit for the Mayotte family's switch to HEAD as Chris(older brother of Tim) was the #1 player at South Carolina and we helped him transition from wood(mostly Bancroft Players Special with custom graphics for our shop) to something more durable. Tim, of course, switched to the composite models(Graphite Master was one, I believe) later and I'm not sure what model Chris used for his brief pro career.
One particularly fun time was when Chris got SIX new Red Heads the day before the team was to leave for Athens, GA and the NCAA championships. Yep....I got all strung for him in time to make the trip!! Leoina 66 @ 64#, IIRC (He traded his HEAD nat gut for Leoina as the gut was too powerful and fragile).

From time to time, I would treat myself to a new 4 5/8L RedHead with a Fairway grip wrapped ON TOP of the factory leather...strung with Babolat AFV @ 62-64#.....SWEET !!!

Thanx for this stories; such was my reason for joining TW-Forum. A few guys here, respect.

I played wood before; usually Snauwaerts and Sirts (and destroyed a Maxply) and then i got that HeadPro. It was like ... cant describe ... it was so good. It was everything i ever wanted without even knowing it; played my best tennis with that racket.
I played it for years and never wanted anything else. When i play it today, it still feels the same.

 

[JW10S]

PS: two Head Pros - same size/weight - but two different rackets; no.1 plays supersweet as usual, no.2 feels heavy and difficult to maneuver (my choice for thundering balls against the wall).

Back when I was using HEAD Professionals I had one slip out my hand while serving on a particularly humid day and bent it. I had 3 others so it wasn't a big deal but I took it to my stringer to see what he thought. Without hesitation he cut out the strings and stuck the racquet in between the 3 metal poles that held up his stringing machine. He then hit the butt-end of the handle with a mallet. It came out symmetrical albeit a little diamond shaped. He strung it up and surprisingly it played just fine. I used it as my practice racquet for a good while. The grip construction made the racquet comfortable and back in those days I used 4 3/4 grips.

 

[coachrick]

Back when I was using HEAD Professionals I had one slip out my hand while serving on a particularly humid day and bent it. I had 3 others so it wasn't a big deal but I took it to my stringer to see what he thought. Without hesitation he cut out the strings and stuck the racquet in between the 3 metal poles that held up his stringing machine. He then hit the butt-end of the handle with a mallet. It came out symmetrical albeit a little diamond shaped. He strung it up and surprisingly it played just fine. I used it as my practice racquet for a good while. The grip construction made the racquet comfortable and back in those days I used 4 3/4 grips.

Back in those days, one of our regular starving-college-student customers shows up with a new Red Head for me to string. Naturally, we wanted to know why he would buy from another shop(we KNEW why he brought it to me to string ). He said the other shop owner had taken the frame off display and discounted it for that reason. Seemed odd that a racket would need to be discounted for that reason....UNTIL I took the strung racket off the machine and the racket folded up into a SPOON shape!!! The frame had been used for months in a WINDOW display!!!! Apparently, the exposure had virtually melted the foam handle and weakened the throat piece to the point that it had zero integrity....even though the frame looked pristine!!! You should have seen the look on our faces when that racket just folded up!!!

 

[13GATOSNEGROS]

Back in those days, one of our regular starving-college-student customers shows up with a new Red Head for me to string. Naturally, we wanted to know why he would buy from another shop(we KNEW why he brought it to me to string ). He said the other shop owner had taken the frame off display and discounted it for that reason. Seemed odd that a racket would need to be discounted for that reason....UNTIL I took the strung racket off the machine and the racket folded up into a SPOON shape!!! The frame had been used for months in a WINDOW display!!!! Apparently, the exposure had virtually melted the foam handle and weakened the throat piece to the point that it had zero integrity....even though the frame looked pristine!!! You should have seen the look on our faces when that racket just folded up!!!

I saw faces of people who wanted me to string their woodies way harder than i did recommend; I said that I wont take any guarantee now.
Usually they sat and had a coffee or Fanta while they were waitin and they watched me workin their poor Sirts or Wilsons or whatever (i hated them watchin me, they usually talked s*** about how well they play or maybe about Björn Borg and how hard his rackets are strung). And then CRACKKKKK! It didnt happen very often but it DID happen. I loved the look on their faces.

 

[coachrick]

I saw faces of people who wanted me to string their woodies way harder than i did recommend; I said that I wont take any guarantee now.
Usually they sat and had a coffee or Fanta while they were waitin and they watched me workin their poor Sirts or Wilsons or whatever (i hated them watchin me, they usually talked s*** about how well they play or maybe about Björn Borg and how hard his rackets are strung). And then CRACKKKKK! It didnt happen very often but it DID happen. I loved the look on their faces.

For us, it was more the new composite rackets that got the string tension abuse as customers were trying to harness all that new-found power!
In the Southeast US, the temps and humidity would warp an overstrung woodie more often than the frame would crack. Of course, we had a few break on us.
Fiberglass frames were particularly fragile as the strings would sometimes sink into the string channel on the YFG30 or the PDP Fiberstaff