Yes, I was so sad about us Fed fans. At first they seemed rational, since Fed had the records, they didn't need to be irrational. But now that Djokovic and Nadal are close, they are using the same double standards. I guess we are all the same.
Ranking(YE #1 and weeks at #1) and Wimbledon only matters when it suits Nole's fans argument
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UnforcedTerror
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Djokovic isn't greater than Nadal because of the ranking points but for his versatility (all big titles & NCYGS) and WTF titles.
As for Sampras, well he was such a mug on clay so it's hard to argue he's better than any of the Big3.
As for Sampras, well he was such a mug on clay so it's hard to argue he's better than any of the Big3.
TheGhostOfAgassi
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Inspirering what you are saying about your realisations! Instead of going into goat debates... take a step back and look at our own intentions behind our opinions...
yeah, I guess we are all the same
I believe there are more than 1% of the people are rational. Yes, there are double standard from all fan base, but Nole fans are the most unreasonable one. Many Fed fans that I know are consistent when comparing player's career achievements and their placement in ATG. They kept the same weigh/value for each major accomplishment, and not overrate and/or short-changed certain one to suit their favorite player. For me, I've always maintain the same criteria for years and have never changed my mind on how I value and judge the player's placement in ATG. The metric that I use covers EVERY important area that a pro player accumulate in their entire career.
* Number of Major Titles won
* Overall performance at Grand Slam Events
* Player Ranking(weeks and YE #1)
* Performance at ATP(WTA for the ladies)
* Performance(Win/loss record) at Davis & Fed Cup events
* Records held or broken(i.e. Consecutive winning streaks)
* Intangibles(Overall contribution to tennis)
What's hilarious is that the moment Nole vaulted over Pete with one more slam than Sampras has, this was somehow proof that Pete was a buffoon, a hack, a "nobody" and non-entity in spades. Yet there is one lone slam in the tally between them.
However, Fed has 5 more majors than Nole but he's still defamed as a buffoon, a hack, a nobody and "weak era" chump.
Explain that logic.
As a Nole fan I place Nole ahead of Sampras not just only because he surpassed him but also due to the fact that Sampras retired after his 14th whereas in current run we can expect Nole to win a few more at least. Heck we are even talking about a possible go at Fed's haul leave alone Nadal and that too me makes Nole at a higher level than Sampras.
But the point is some of Nole fans say 15>14, so obviously Nole>Sampras, but when it's 20>15, they say 'well, Nole has the NCGS(trivial), Fed has weak era, poor H2H, so therefore Nole>Federer'. I'm paraphrasing but you get the point about the double-standard.
As for you giving Nole more credit than what he deserve as of now because you think he will win a few more in the future, I don't think it's right. You should wait until he actually win more rather than handing it to him prematurely. Even if he inevitably moves further ahead of Pete even future, giving him credit beforehand is disrespect to Pete.
Ok. Agreed. By the way Nole already is ahead in slam race than Sampras.
If people in this forum feel that Pete might still be ahead of Novak then surely Murray is well below the likes of Becker and Edberg, leave alone Lendl. That makes some Murray fans seem pretty laughable for trying to create a Big 4.
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