Real reason Federer loses in slams is the undeniable fear of his torturer Nadal

[Shady_Sawyer]

They might pretend like they are good friends off court BUT .....There is a deep fear of Nadal in Federer's mind. Nadal is Freddy Kruger and soon Del Potro could soon be Jason Vorhees for Federer. Fed cannot be blamed when we look at all that has happened between them but this is the main reason why he lost to Djokovic in US open 2010. In the US open semis of the previous 2 years he wasn't sure whether Nadal would get to the final and that made him play well against Djokovic especially last year when he beat him in straights. He knew that Del Potro was in the final and not Nadal. Even in AO 10 he started playing great tennis once he saw that Nadal and Del Potro was out in the quarters. After getting beaten in Madrid 2010 he knew Nadal was back. During FO 10 and W 10 he knew Nadal was coming for him and thats the main reason he lost to dirtbags like Soderling and Berdych. Lets say Nadal lost in the first round of FO Wim and UO 10 I would put all my property on the line and bet that Federer would have elevated his game and won those 3 slams.

 

[ashitaka2010]

 

[formula16]

sadly, i'd have to say i kinda agree

 

[robin7]

I noticed that Federer usually (if not always) played first before Nadal in all tournaments they particpated.

Was USO2010 the only time that Nadal reached the finals before Federer did?

 

[Shady_Sawyer]

I noticed that Federer usually (if not always) played first before Nadal in all tournaments they particpated.

Was USO2010 the only time that Nadal reached the finals before Federer did?

I do think so. And whenever Nadal reaches finals before Federer we can see the change in his game with his opponent. Notice the difference in Fed's focus on UO semi 2010 and UO semi 2009. In AO 09 semi Fed played first....and guess what. He destroyed Roddick and then Nadal came through with Verdasco which Fed hoped he wouldnt and then the next day ...Boom Fed's serve has gone down the drain... something that was going well for him throughout the tournament. My guess is he even fears Del Potro which is why he lost his serve in the UO 09 final. Nadal plays a game where he is ready to suffer in each point playing forehands and backhands endlessly and make others suffer at the same time. Fed cant stand it and he'd rather lose to Nadal than to have an eternal struggle in each point in the match.

 

[namelessone]

They might pretend like they are good friends off court BUT .....There is a deep fear of Nadal in Federer's mind. Nadal is Freddy Kruger and soon Del Potro could soon be Jason Vorhees for Federer. Fed cannot be blamed when we look at all that has happened between them but this is the main reason why he lost to Djokovic in US open 2010. In the US open semis of the previous 2 years he wasn't sure whether Nadal would get to the final and that made him play well against Djokovic especially last year when he beat him in straights. He knew that Del Potro was in the final and not Nadal. Even in AO 10 he started playing great tennis once he saw that Nadal and Del Potro was out in the quarters. After getting beaten in Madrid 2010 he knew Nadal was back. During FO 10 and W 10 he knew Nadal was coming for him and thats the main reason he lost to dirtbags like Soderling and Berdych. Lets say Nadal lost in the first round of FO Wim and UO 10 I would put all my property on the line and bet that Federer would have elevated his game and won those 3 slams.

You do realize that Rafa has usually more losses in SF than Fed(usually in HC tourneys) when they entered the same tourney, right?

Guess Rafa was scared of his torturer in tourneys like Cincy 09', USO 08'-09', Toronto 10' to name a few. The notion that some players are "scared" of playing others after sooo many meetings is preposterous.

 

[Shady_Sawyer]

You do realize that Rafa has usually more losses in SF than Fed(usually in HC tourneys) when they entered the same tourney, right?

Guess Rafa was scared of his torturer in tourneys like Cincy 09', USO 08'-09', Toronto 10' to name a few. The notion that some players are "scared" of playing others after sooo many meetings is preposterous.

I didnt say that Nadal was scared. He is never scared and most of the pros are not scared of anybody either. In fact Nadal lost in all those hard court semis coz his hard court game wasnt good enough. But this specific match up Federer vs Nadal is just a nightmare for Federer. It became a bigger nightmare for him after Wimbledon 2008. Why do you think he lost his serve in Wim 08 and AO 09? But if you look at his Wim 09 final he served 50 aces or something. His serve disappears when he knows he could lose. And its the same reason why he was not focused on UO 10 semi. As long as Nadal is around Federer knows he is in trouble. Once Nadal is not around or has lost in the earlier rounds of tournaments Fed is confident of winning any slam anywhere.

 

[Shady_Sawyer]

Now another guy who is gonna give Fed nightmares is Del Potro as you could see in UO 09 and YEC 09

 

[Totai]

Fed lost to Montanes in Estoril this year, he must be so scared to face him in future tournaments and will probably tank so he won't have to face him, right?

Your post is a joke.

 

[abmk]

Why do you think he lost his serve in Wim 08 and AO 09? But if you look at his Wim 09 final he served 50 aces or something. His serve disappears when he knows he could lose.

he served brilliantly in wimb 08, it was the main thing that kept him in the match ... you are utterly clueless and this thread is an epic fail ......

 

[SteveO]

Now another guy who is gonna give Fed nightmares is Del Potro as you could see in UO 09 and YEC 09

Doesn't really make sense. He was destroying DelPorto before USO09. Why would his serve fail in USO09 if he has not had a chance yet to develop a 'fear'?

 

[sureshs]

I have to agree. Fed has a deep-rooted fear of playing Nadal and so he ends up tanking subconsciously. The fear is all-consuming because it reduces Fed to nothing. All his achievements dissolve when defeated by Nadal. He knows that in tennis, one who wins is better.

 

[ivan_the_terrible]

I have to agree. Fed has a deep-rooted fear of playing Nadal and so he ends up tanking subconsciously. The fear is all-consuming because it reduces Fed to nothing. All his achievements dissolve when defeated by Nadal. He knows that in tennis, one who wins is better.

Unless the other player is injured...

You cannot have it both ways, right?

 

[sbengte]

I have to agree. Fed has a deep-rooted fear of playing Nadal and so he ends up tanking subconsciously. The fear is all-consuming because it reduces Fed to nothing. All his achievements dissolve when defeated by Nadal. He knows that in tennis, one who wins is better.

Agreed. But there is one slam where the universal laws above don't come into play and Fed hasn't tanked for two years in a row now , Nadal or no Nadal.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=282818&highlight=cincinnati

 

[Mustard]

Nadal Freddy Krueger? LMAO :lol:

 

[Shady_Sawyer]

Doesn't really make sense. He was destroying DelPorto before USO09. Why would his serve fail in USO09 if he has not had a chance yet to develop a 'fear'?

Because he knew Del Potro could beat him in UO 09. He didnt have much conviction that he could win

 

[jackson vile]

They might pretend like they are good friends off court BUT .....There is a deep fear of Nadal in Federer's mind. Nadal is Freddy Kruger and soon Del Potro could soon be Jason Vorhees for Federer. Fed cannot be blamed when we look at all that has happened between them but this is the main reason why he lost to Djokovic in US open 2010. In the US open semis of the previous 2 years he wasn't sure whether Nadal would get to the final and that made him play well against Djokovic especially last year when he beat him in straights. He knew that Del Potro was in the final and not Nadal. Even in AO 10 he started playing great tennis once he saw that Nadal and Del Potro was out in the quarters. After getting beaten in Madrid 2010 he knew Nadal was back. During FO 10 and W 10 he knew Nadal was coming for him and thats the main reason he lost to dirtbags like Soderling and Berdych. Lets say Nadal lost in the first round of FO Wim and UO 10 I would put all my property on the line and bet that Federer would have elevated his game and won those 3 slams.

It really looked like Roger could not make up his mind at the USO, if he wanted to be in the final or not. That was the strangest performance ever by Roger. Roger was winning in straight fast sets before then.

Wim was strange also, out of no where Berdych beats Roger on his best surface??? Roger was winning in straight fast sets before then.

The FO I can understand, Soderling went straight illmatic on Roger and no version of Roger could ever beat that version of Soderling.

 

[ashitaka2010]

It really looked like Roger could not make up his mind at the USO, if he wanted to be in the final or not. That was the strangest performance ever by Roger. Roger was winning in straight fast sets before then.

Wim was strange also, out of no where Berdych beats Roger on his best surface??? Roger was winning in straight fast sets before then.

The FO I can understand, Soderling went straight illmatic on Roger and no version of Roger could ever beat that version of Soderling.

Are you kidding?

If Falla had not choked BIG TIME, it would have been the greatest upset in tennis history.

Berdych defeated him earlier in the year, and during the end of this match Rafa was losing the first set vs Soderling.

 

[Mustard]

Wim was strange also, out of no where Berdych beats Roger on his best surface??? Roger was winning in straight fast sets before then.

Uh? Out of nowhere? Federer came within a whisker of losing to Falla in the first round of Wimbledon.

 

[veroniquem]

Nadal had already lost when Fed played his semi in Cincy (Nadal lost in quarters)

Fed did look like he wasn't giving his best effort in some parts of the USO semi but then again he often looks that way and that's one of the things about Fed that gets on my nerves big time. If you have solved the mystery of "why", good for you. Personally, I haven't. My hypothesis: defense mechanism when the control of the match escapes him (aloofness)? Sudden loss of energy? Who knows? But he even vaguely looked like he was tanking the last set of AO 2009 and I'm pretty sure he actually was not!!
There might be some element of truth in the OP's theory, the fact that once Nadal has lost, Fed starts believing in his chances for the victory more, he becomes more confident that the title is his. I know there was Delpo last year but not many people have beaten Fed in slam finals other than Nadal (just Nadal and Delpo actually) and only Nadal has done it more than once.

 

[Mustard]

Nadal had already lost when Fed played his semi (Nadal lost in quarters)

He means the quarter final match in Cincinnati. Nadal played Baghdatis for a place to reach the semi finals and play against Federer, and Baghdatis won.

 

[Nadal G.O.A.T]

So why didn't Fed tank the Cincy semis? Did he KNOW Nadal would tank himself and lose to Baggy of all people (and on the "real slam" which Nadal hasn't won yet)? Stop being a ******.

Does anyone saying an opinion differ than yours must be a ******

Please stop insulting people

 

[P_Agony]

Nadal had already lost when Fed played his semi (Nadal lost in quarters)

No, Nadal played after Federer was already waiting for him in the SF.

 

[Mustard]

No, Nadal played after Federer was already waiting for him in the SF.

That's what veroniquem said :-?

 

[P_Agony]

That's what veroniquem said :-?

No, she claims Nadal played before Federer. He played AFTER Federer (at least that's what I understood from her post).

Which puts sureshs' claim as utter nonsense. sureshs claims Federer always tanks when he knows Nadal is waiting for him in the next match, but he didn't tank Madrid this year, nor did he tank Cincy when he knew Nadal would probably reach the semis.

 

[Nadal G.O.A.T]

Ofcourse Federer is afraid of Nadal even when both enter the court i guess Federer wants to cry and say take me out of here!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mustard]

No, she claims Nadal played before Federer. He played AFTER Federer (at least that's what I understood from her post).

Which puts sureshs' claim as utter nonsense. sureshs claims Federer always tanks when he knows Nadal is waiting for him in the next match, but he didn't tank Madrid this year, nor did he tank Cincy when he knew Nadal would probably reach the semis.

Veroniquem said:

Nadal had already lost when Fed played his semi (Nadal lost in quarters)

Nadal lost to Baghdatis in the quarter finals after Federer had won his quarter final against Davydenko earlier that day. Therefore, Nadal had already lost when Federer played his semi final against Baghdatis.

 

[veroniquem]

Thanks Mustard. Pags, I see what you mean, it's OK: you're right, Fed played his quarter before Rafa played his. I don't think it mattered that much anyway since Rafa was playing like crap in Cincy! (I reacted to your original post which said "why didn't Fed tank his semi?" and I said Rafa had already lost. It seems you really meant: why didn't Fed tank his quarter? Because he needs the points and because a semi doesn't get as much media exposure as a final. I definitely believe Fed is NOT looking forward to playing another slam final vs Rafa. At this point in time, it wouldn't be particularly outlandish, given all the slams he already has anyway, to think that Fed would rather take his chance when Rafa "slips", than risk tarnishing his legacy further by losing yet more finals to Nadal).

 

[Shady_Sawyer]

I dont care about mickey mouse events like Cincy or Toronto. Im talkin about the slams and Fed does fear Nadal in the slams...Big time. And when Nadal is out of grand slams in early rounds thats when Federer can sleep well. Why do you think he never converted on all those break point chances against Nadal? Why do you think he lost to Berdych of all people at wimbledon? He beat this guy in straight sets on grass the last time they met. Why do you think he lost to Djokovic in UO 2010 when he beat this guy last year in straight sets and even in Rogers Cup 2010. The answer is obvious.

 

[P_Agony]

Thanks Mustard. Pags, I see what you mean, it's OK: you're right, Fed played his quarter before Rafa played his. I don't think it mattered that much anyway since Rafa was playing like crap in Cincy!

Playing crap or not, it just proves sureshs wrong. Plus, Rafa wasn't playing so crappy in Madrid, right? And Fed still challenged him there and gave him quite a fight too.

 

[Mustard]

Playing crap or not, it just proves sureshs wrong. Plus, Rafa wasn't playing so crappy in Madrid, right? And Fed still challenged him there and gave him quite a fight too.

The whole notion is nonsense. Don't let it get to you.

 

[P_Agony]

The whole notion is nonsense. Don't let it get to you.

Yep. you're right. Sometimes I just need to learn to ignore stuff

 

[veroniquem]

(answer to shady)
No it's not obvious. It's extremely debatable and can people stop calling masters "mickey mouse events" once and for all? They're to best of 3 what the slams are to best of 5.

 

[veroniquem]

Playing crap or not, it just proves sureshs wrong. Plus, Rafa wasn't playing so crappy in Madrid, right? And Fed still challenged him there and gave him quite a fight too.

Absolutely true. I believe Fed believed in his chances in that event because he had beaten Nadal there the year before. (And don't forget it was before Nadal won his 1st slam this year. Wasn't it Fed who said after Rafa got Madrid that winning 3 masters in a row meant nothing because everything was determined by RG? (Fed and his crass mind games... rolleyes)

 

[Trillus]

I dont think any of the losses had to do with Nadal.

French Open- Soderling was on fire in that match and Roger's 1st serve went out in the window after the 1st set it seemed. Roger also seems to be having far more trouble with hard hitters than he did in his prime.

Wimbledon- He never looked good there.

U.S Open- Well he had 2 match points in the semis, there was no way to know Djokovic would make screaming winners to save both. His performance in the semis was surprising I admit since he had seemed very in from all summer after Wimbledon. Still an off day he should have beaten an on fire Djokovic, but Djokovic came up with great shots to save the match.

 

[Nadal G.O.A.T]

No need for debate, Any player has a bad H2H with another player sure won't like to play him to extend his losing record and this is Federer's Case

So we may create another thread better

 

[P_Agony]

Absolutely true. I believe Fed believed in his chances in that event because he had beaten Nadal there the year before. (And don't forget it was before Nadal won his 1st slam this year. Wasn't it Fed who said after Rafa got Madrid that winning 3 masters in a row meant nothing because everything was determined by RG? (Fed and his crass mind games... rolleyes)

Nadal plays his own mind games. I never agreed with Fed's pressers however. He's too honest, too direct, and sometimes comes off as arrogant. Rafa is too dishonest for my taste. I would take a Roddick interview over any one of these two any day. My real problem with Nadal is how he behaves on court, especially as a champion and as the best player in the world. We'll continue to disagree on this.

 

[veroniquem]

(to Trillus)
Yes but by the time Djoko came up with those great shots, Fed had played well below par for whole stretches of the match. It could be weariness but having an off day at a USO semifinal, for a guy like Fed?? Maybe he just underestimated the threat Djoko posed.
Fed always seems weird to me. I don't understand the way he thinks.

 

[veroniquem]

Nadal plays his own mind games.

Rafa plays 0 mind game. He never says anything demeaning, critical or sly with the purpose of getting into an opponent's head (which is how I define what Fed does vs Djoko, Murray and Nadal).

 

[Nadal G.O.A.T]

Are my posts readable not kidding just because i am a new user

 

[Talker]

Fed does the best he can, the past few years he's just not had the game when he needed it like in the past.
He knows Nadal will be a tough match but he still went on to be in all those finals through the years.
Right now I don't think he cares who he'll meet, he just wants to do the best he can and go as far as he can.
Fed's been riding on his reputation for a few years now, it's just very tempting to think he'll have one more good stretch of tennis left.

 

[Nadal G.O.A.T]

Fed does the best he can, the past few years he's just not had the game when he needed it like in the past.
He knows Nadal will be a tough match but he still went on to be in all those finals through the years.
Right now I don't think he cares who he'll meet, he just wants to do the best he can and go as far as he can.
Fed's been riding on his reputation for a few years now, it's just very tempting to think he'll have one more good stretch of tennis left.

are my posts readable?

 

[abraxas21]

Nadal plays his own mind games. I never agreed with Fed's pressers however. He's too honest, too direct, and sometimes comes off as arrogant. Rafa is too dishonest for my taste. I would take a Roddick interview over any one of these two any day. My real problem with Nadal is how he behaves on court, especially as a champion and as the best player in the world. We'll continue to disagree on this.

i do kind of feel the same way.

nadal insisting that he's not the fave when he clearly is can be considered a mind game but i don't think he intends anything wrong just like i don't think fed meant anything wrong when he said that for murray winning his first GS was a lot harder than for him winning another one (which is 100% true but people don't like to hear it and thus say it's a mind game on fed's part).

 

[abmk]

Are you kidding?

If Falla had not choked BIG TIME, it would have been the greatest upset in tennis history.

Berdych defeated him earlier in the year, and during the end of this match Rafa was losing the first set vs Soderling.

Uh? Out of nowhere? Federer came within a whisker of losing to Falla in the first round of Wimbledon.

eh what ??? these facts don't matter as they don't fit in to jackson vile's "theory" !!!

 

[jack_kramer]

Chickenerer has a Swiss mentality in that he is afraid of a real fight. He has one of the worst five-set records among the greats and he basically folds up like a cheap suit in slams whenever someone stares him down. Witness Safin AO '05, Nadal Wimby '08, Nadal AO '09, Delpo USO '09, Djokovic USO '10. (and frankly I don't give a crap about his h2h versus RodDick because he's a clown too.)

I have no respect for cowards and/or selfish, unpatriotic deserters like Roger (Kazahkstan 5-0 over Switzerland - WTF?! ). Cowarderer will NEVER be considered a true GOAT because he lacks the testicular fortitude in the closing moments of true battles!

Nadal: 14-3, 82% 5-set record
Borg: 26-6, 81%
Laver: 18-5, 78%
Sampras: 33-15, 68%
McEnroe: 25-13, 66%
Federer: 17-13, 56%

 

[Spider]

Chickenerer has a Swiss mentality in that he is afraid of a real fight. He has one of the worst five-set records among the greats and he basically folds up like a cheap suit in slams whenever someone stares him down. Witness Safin AO '05, Nadal Wimby '08, Nadal AO '09, Delpo USO '09, Djokovic USO '10. (and frankly I don't give a crap about his h2h versus RodDick because he's a clown too.)

I have no respect for cowards and/or selfish, unpatriotic deserters like Roger (Kazahkstan 5-0 over Switzerland - WTF?! ). Cowarderer will NEVER be considered a true GOAT because he lacks the testicular fortitude in the closing moments of true battles!

Nadal: 14-3, 82% 5-set record
Borg: 26-6, 81%
Laver: 18-5, 78%
Sampras: 33-15, 68%
McEnroe: 25-13, 66%
Federer: 17-13, 56%

I think mentally he just doesn't believe he can win when someone pushes him to five sets. Federer is a great front runner but if someone is able to push him to the limit, he just mentally gives up. Very poor attitude.

 

[jack_kramer]

I think mentally he just doesn't believe he can win when someone pushes him to five sets. Federer is a great front runner but if someone is able to push him to the limit, he just mentally gives up. Very poor attitude.

well said

 

[veroniquem]

Nadal is the anti-Fed. His results in 5 setters are superb. What a man

 

[veroniquem]

i do kind of feel the same way.

nadal insisting that he's not the fave when he clearly is can be considered a mind game but i don't think he intends anything wrong just like i don't think fed meant anything wrong when he said that for murray winning his first GS was a lot harder than for him winning another one (which is 100% true but people don't like to hear it and thus say it's a mind game on fed's part).

No that's downplaying expectations about HIMSELF, nothing to do with attacking someone else.
Fed said that? Gee. Case in point.

 

[P_Agony]

Rafa plays 0 mind game. He never says anything demeaning, critical or sly with the purpose of getting into an opponent's head (which is how I define what Fed does vs Djoko, Murray and Nadal).

That's your opinion, which I respect but disagree with. To me, Nadal's whole "Roger is the best chin chistory" and "For sure I don't want to see Roger in the final, no?" is the definition of mind games. Nadal isn't stupid, he knows he has Roger's number and would love to play him at any chance they get, because he knows his chances are pretty good. This false humbleness is exactly the mind games Nadal plays. Roger calls it as it is, he knows he's good, and he knows he's a favorite to win many events, and it can come off as arrogant. Like I said, none of them are perfect, IMO, from the interviews/pressers side of things.