What is a reasonable swingweight?
Does it change as one improves?
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I've always appreciated the idea of calculating the swing-weights of individual racquets to get a number that reflects the "heaviness" of one racquet compared with another. I think that some folks have found this spec to be rather helpful and that's great, but I don't use this number anymore because it can actually create a misleading impression of a frame for me.
Two racquets can have the same swing-weight, but have significantly different layouts and weight distributions. One can be rather light in terms of static weight along with perhaps head-heavy balance while another can have a relatively heavy static weight and a balance that's substantially head-light. Despite having the same swing-weight, these racquets would be very different players for me (and for most of us).
If swing-weights are a helpful reference for you, that's great. I prefer to look at the combo of any frame's static weight, balance, and flex when I want to get an idea of how it will maneuver and also how stable it might be through the ball. Since swing-weights can be misleading without knowing some other specs, I just go for other specs and these three have been a better guide or predictor for me of what a racquet's personality might be on the courts.
As players improve, they often trend toward heavier racquets that have higher swing-weights. As long as these heavier frames are a manageable weight for that player, they can potentially offer more power and stability in general. That can become more important as developing players work toward producing stronger shots, but also as they play stronger opponents and face faster incoming shots.
Switching into heavier alternatives doesn't have to be intimidating. Hefty frames can be quite manageable and comfortable when they also have enough head-light balance to handle with relative ease. And sometimes it can be easy to simply tune a little extra heft and stability into a frame using some lead tape, etc. I'd bet that almost any racquet weighing 11.0-11.5 oz. would be fine for lower level players as long as it also had a comfortable balance.
As a tennis teacher, I'm actually not wild about very light racquets, even for beginners. Those sorts of frames might be helpful for absolute beginners who are just trying to get the strings on the ball, but they allow developing players to get away with bad habits too often. They let us produce shots by swinging with not much more than the arm and shoulder instead of the larger essential muscles in the legs and the core. They also require especially fast swing speeds to generate more power. That can be stressful, especially for developing players who don't have well developed mechanics.
There are some players with fantastic timing who can swing light racquets super-fast and hit terrific shots, even at the college level. Heavier racquets aren't a must for everybody as they improve, but when the power increases and the ball gets moving faster, most of us need enough beef on hand to "win the collision" and hit the ball with some authority using our comfortable swing speeds. I also like to go to the net, so I crave the inherent stability of a heavier racquet to command my volleys.
No, it's personal. You need to experiment with this and find what you like. I went down from 325+ to 320 over the last few years. I was a strong 4.0 last time the club rated me...I was hoping to get feedback with some personal experience... Thinking that adult league players may say something like... 3.0 should use 330 SW...3.5 340.... 4.0 350 etc
No, it's personal. You need to experiment with this and find what you like. I went down from 325+ to 320 over the last few years. I was a strong 4.0 last time the club rated me...
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What is a reasonable swingweight?
Does it change as one improves?
I was hoping to get feedback with some personal experience... Thinking that adult league players may say something like... 3.0 should use 330 SW...3.5 340.... 4.0 350 etc
Yeah, that SW would put you above everyone at ATP.
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For adult rec players, weighting up a racquet is generally unnecessary. Not that it is wrong, but just not necessary. Even at the men’s 4.5 level, very few players add weight to their frames, and playing stock racquets is very common. The pace and spin at 4.5 is just not enough to require added weight to stabilize the frame or add power. Most 4.5 adults do not serve in the triple digits or hit 80+ mph ground strokes. Maybe at the D1 level adding weight may be necessary, but for the “after work” 4.5 adult player, there is ample pace and spin in a stock racquet.
Is it 335 stock? Then more like low 340s.All I did was add 2g of lead to 12 o clock on a burn 95. SW should be more like 350ish?
Is it 335 stock? Then more like low 340s.
Why have you added the weight in the first place?
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I know this is also a very player specific thing...
That is true. I just don’t know who is out there hitting this ball that is so heavy that a 360+ swing weight is necessary. You may be talking about futures or challenger level stuff. I don’t know what level you play. But no one at 4.5 or below is hitting that heavy.
Yes it’s lighter and has higher head heavy balance than the heavy with more head light balance . My stock graphene speed pro at 11.7 oz 7pt HL now with 5.5 grams lead split 70/30 between polar ends is 12.3 oz and 6HL but feels more head heavy than stock , but still swings faster then a non polarized frame to me
I also measure the swing weight using the tw university method of hanging by pencils and timing to number 10 swings then input into sw calculator. With string and vibration dampener I have a 343 sw
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How many times did you take measurement? How far off were measurements?
Take average of 3 times and the result is input into sw calculator. The results are accurate and sensitive to how well you time .
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Sorry, I meant how different were the 3 different measurements you took?
Those are the times in seconds . Average time in seconds . Swing weight and balance point
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Swing 40 times instead of 10, then divide the time by 4. Way more accurate.Wow this is pretty close! Mine were wildly off. Going to try again tomorrow. Thank you!
It's not that easy. It all depends on stroke mechanics and length. Too much SW with bad technique can not only cause problems striking the ball but also cause injuries. Most will get to a point where their preferred swing weight will stop going up regardless of level. Shorter strokes tend to fare better with less swing weight and longer more fluid strokes can typically handle more swing weight.I was hoping to get feedback with some personal experience... Thinking that adult league players may say something like... 3.0 should use 330 SW...3.5 340.... 4.0 350 etc
Excellent adviceSwing 40 times instead of 10, then divide the time by 4. Way more accurate.
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Swing 40 times instead of 10, then divide the time by 4. Way more accurate.
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I agree, the only thing I can add to this thread is I see way too many 4.0 and below players using Wilson Pro Staff autographs and even the Yonex 330g , I am fairly confident it isn't helping them play better and 30% or so of them are not in good physical condition at all. Those players should tone it down a little weight wise in my opinion.That is true. I just don’t know who is out there hitting this ball that is so heavy that a 360+ swing weight is necessary. You may be talking about futures or challenger level stuff. I don’t know what level you play. But no one at 4.5 or below is hitting that heavy.
What is a reasonable swingweight?
Does it change as one improves?
If you’re a real stud like me then about 390. I apply lead tape by the yard in my utter dominant manliness. But if you’re not quite there yet, no shame in admitting it, stick lower like 315-325.
PS. Got bageled last night by some guy with a stock Pure Aero. I must need more lead tape.
Just head over to the racquet forum if you need more advice like this.
LMAO I can see thatI am surprised nobody has mentioned that the size/weight/physique of the player plays a huge role. I (4.5/ 5.9'/180 lbs) had trouble hitting any decent serves with the IG Prestige MP whereas my hitting partner that is 4.5, 6.4 and 210 lbs serves bombs with it.
I agree, the only thing I can add to this thread is I see way too many 4.0 and below players using Wilson Pro Staff autographs and even the Yonex 330g , I am fairly confident it isn't helping them play better and 30% or so of them are not in good physical condition at all. Those players should tone it down a little weight wise in my opinion.
I can't argue that your experience is wrong, you've seen them playing ok. I see them unable to maneuver the racket at net, having poor footwork, not swinging the stick at full speed (meaning they aren't hitting bad shots, but they would get better action and variety with a lighter weight), I mean they aren't hurting themselves or unable to pick up the racket, but they swing the 12.5 sticks slowly like a giant hammer pendulum so it isn't helping them, they aren't using the weight to do anything special, just carrying around more weight with no benefit.Best set of tennis I played was with an RF97. Unfortunately it fatigued me by the second set. But for 30 min it was glorious.
I think many good 3.5’s and most 4.0’s can handle heavier frames and play well with them if they don’t fatigue. The most awful strokes I see still come from the Pure Aero/Pure Drive/Ultra world.
I can’t recall the last time I saw someone with a 12.5 oz stick playing terrible. Most have pretty smooth strokes and hit with control and pace.
I can't argue that your experience is wrong, you've seen them playing ok. I see them unable to maneuver the racket at net, having poor footwork, not swinging the stick at full speed (meaning they aren't hitting bad shots, but they would get better action and variety with a lighter weight), I mean they aren't hurting themselves or unable to pick up the racket, but they swing the 12.5 sticks slowly like a giant hammer pendulum so it isn't helping them, they aren't using the weight to do anything special, just carrying around more weight with no benefit.
@wings56 measure your rackets using a cross string 3 strings off from where you measured them first and see what your SWs are. You may also want to video your racket swings and use an editor to determines your period. Timing the period with a stop watch is a waste of time.
EDIT: BTW if you make a mistake of +/-0.01 sec in a racket’s period your measured SW will be off by about +/-5 points. That’s a 10 SW point swing. If you have an iOS device get SwingTool it is usually accurate to +/- 0.002 seconds.
Yeah, that SW would put you above everyone at ATP.
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I agree, the only thing I can add to this thread is I see way too many 4.0 and below players using Wilson Pro Staff autographs and even the Yonex 330g , I am fairly confident it isn't helping them play better and 30% or so of them are not in good physical condition at all. Those players should tone it down a little weight wise in my opinion.