Retired against Roddick if I remember correctlyWho did Djokovic lose against at the AO 2009? He was the defending champion.
Who did Djokovic lose against at the AO 2009? He was the defending champion.
Here they are both still mid 20's so capable of everything physically .
I am same age as Fed now and in 2009 I used to play all day football , go to the parties at night till the morning, get wasted totally. Go to sleep by 0600 , wake up and go to work by 0900 and still alive next days to repeat this routine.
Now if i do the same once i am a mess for a week and injured for couple of weeks. Thats how much is the difference between being 27 or 38..
I think the big question is how much does wisdom/experience and pattern recognition help an aging player as their physical attributes decline. Do Rafa and Fed keep up because they subconsciously identify situations much faster than they used to. They've played so many matches that their tennis IQ/wisdom helps them predict the ball path better than 4-5 years ago. Is this enough to compensate for a loss foot speed? Also, they might not hit as hard, but with their experience are they picking better targets than they would have 4-5 years ago.
But you are not an elite athlete, that's the difference. How your body holds up compared to these elite athletes are in no way comparable.
Murray was tougher to beat in 2017 than in 2013 because he was ranked higher.No data to support your claim --> useless thread.
They are much more wiser and experienced today. You are definitely talking sense regarding reading pattern of play today compared to their versions 10-15 years ago. And that plays a big part aswell.
The Fed since the racket chance is capable of an UFE at any point and lacks consistency and movement.Both men hits bigger these days.
What I see in that match:
Nadal: Weaker server, weaker BH, less polished player overall but his movement was definitely quicker than Rafa today. That you can see.
Federer: If you watch Fed today and last year or so, you can see his movement has started to be a bit slower especially to the sides, but Fed from few years ago was moving just aswell if not even better. as oppose to everything else, I'd say Federer today is improved from that version. Better serve, BH better, better at the net, plays the game faster, he is wiser and more experienced and overall hitting bigger from ever facet of the game. In form fed from 15-19 Id put my money on him in 4 sets against this Rafa.
These are my honest thoughts from watching them, the movement on Rafa you can clearly see it has detoriated if you compare him today to ten years ago, but purely as a tennis player he is much more polished now and hitting bigger especially the serve and BH. Both men are more decorated tennis players today.
The higher ranked player, even by just 1 position, wins slam finals/semis/quarters about 70% of times. Data collected since 1991 (about 840 matches). So even if they had a similar tournament, reaching the same round, the player who was better in the previous 12 months ended up being better in that match too.Murray was tougher to beat in 2017 than in 2013 because he was ranked higher.
It's practically a different sport now. It felt like Nadal could get to any ball and fed had every shot in the book plus a few more. Now they are old and all anyone cares about is pointless stats because the actual tennis is so meh.
Peak verdasco could probably win 10 slams in this era and tt would be full of verdasco = goat threads.
2020 AO Federer >>>>2017 AO Federer because he is ranked higher.The higher ranked player, even by just 1 position, wins slam finals/semis/quarters about 70% of times. Data collected since 1991 (about 840 matches). So even if they had a similar tournament, reaching the same round, the player who was better in the previous 12 months ended up being better in that match too.
ATP uses the ranking to make the draws, which is telling. You wish your eye test was more objective and reliable than the ranking so you can say that Baghdatis, Gonzalez and Philippoussis were tougher opponents than Federer, Nadal and Murray.
Tell ATP to use your eye test instead of the ranking.2020 AO Federer >>>>2017 AO Federer because he is ranked higher.
Federer in mid 2010 >>>>> Federer in 2017 because he was ranked higher.Tell ATP to use your eye test instead of the ranking.
You have to tell ATP, not me.Federer in mid 2010 >>>>> Federer in 2017 because he was ranked higher.
What? This is exactly what you're telling me.You have to tell ATP, not me.
Me and ATP follow an objective criteria that is not always right but it makes us right most of the times.What? This is exactly what you're telling me.
2015 AO Nadal > 2017 AO Nadal because he was ranked higher.
Dude I used to be an obsessive day trader back in the day and that analogy sucks.Me and ATP follow an objective criteria that is not always right but it makes us right most of the times.
Do you know how trading works? You're not expected to earn always, but you should most of the times. This is the same logic. The ranking is more reliable than your eye test because it is right more times. I hope I could explain myself.
Movement/Speed is the most important part in tennis, then comes the serve.Both men hits bigger these days.
What I see in that match:
Nadal: Weaker server, weaker BH, less polished player overall but his movement was definitely quicker than Rafa today. That you can see.
Federer: If you watch Fed today and last year or so, you can see his movement has started to be a bit slower especially to the sides, but Fed from few years ago was moving just aswell if not even better. as oppose to everything else, I'd say Federer today is improved from that version. Better serve, BH better, better at the net, plays the game faster, he is wiser and more experienced and overall hitting bigger from ever facet of the game. In form fed from 15-19 Id put my money on him in 4 sets against this Rafa.
These are my honest thoughts from watching them, the movement on Rafa you can clearly see it has detoriated if you compare him today to ten years ago, but purely as a tennis player he is much more polished now and hitting bigger especially the serve and BH. Both men are more decorated tennis players today.
Why does the ATP uses the ranking despite it not being always right?Dude I used to be an obsessive day trader back in the day and that analogy sucks.
The problem that you don't see is that the ranking is based on a 12 month period. It is very rare for a player to maintain a specific level all the time, there are ups and downs. Like f.e. Fed was no 1 until August 2008 but clearly his level in 2008 was worse compared to 2007 but because he won so much in 2007 his ranking didn't drop until August.Why does the ATP uses the ranking if it is not always right? Why for example Federer and Nadal were not at least top8 seeds at 2017 AO?
Please answer my question.The problem that you don't see is that the ranking is based on a 12 month period. It is very rare for a player to maintain a specific level all the time, there are ups and downs. Like f.e. Fed was no 1 until August 2008 but clearly his level in 2008 was worse compared to 2007 but because he won so much in 2007 his ranking didn't drop until August.
There are many facotrs to consider and rankings is only one of them.
Both men hits bigger these days.
What I see in that match:
Nadal: Weaker server, weaker BH, less polished player overall but his movement was definitely quicker than Rafa today. That you can see.
Federer: If you watch Fed today and last year or so, you can see his movement has started to be a bit slower especially to the sides, but Fed from few years ago was moving just aswell if not even better. as oppose to everything else, I'd say Federer today is improved from that version. Better serve, BH better, better at the net, plays the game faster, he is wiser and more experienced and overall hitting bigger from ever facet of the game. In form fed from 15-19 Id put my money on him in 4 sets against this Rafa.
These are my honest thoughts from watching them, the movement on Rafa you can clearly see it has detoriated if you compare him today to ten years ago, but purely as a tennis player he is much more polished now and hitting bigger especially the serve and BH. Both men are more decorated tennis players today.
Why does the ATP uses the ranking if it is not always right?
Because they have to use something to seed players in tournaments. You think a 1 month ranking would be better? It would reflect the current form more.Please answer my question.
So ATP thinks it'a a reliable method to determine the level of play. So do I.Because they have to use something to seed players in tournaments. You think a 1 month ranking would be better? It would reflect the current form more.
When did I say it's perfect? They use it because it's usually right and is therefore reliable.Lol. Lewis, this is possibly the most colossally stupid thing I’ve ever read on TTW, and that’s saying a lot. Yeah, corporations never use imperfect measuring systems – except for all the time.
When did I say it's perfect? They use it because it's usually right and is therefore reliable.
2001 Fedr > everybody because of ponytail
Maybe I didn't express myself properly.Reread your statement