Risk of catching/spreading coronavirus from a tennis ball?

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Thiem's 1HB

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Was planning to have a singles hit with a buddy over the weekend.

He's obviously at the other end of the court, we're not shaking hands, and also keeping 2m away from each other at change of ends.

Wondering what the risks were of transmitting coronavirus via the tennis ball?
 

TennisDawg

Hall of Fame
Good question I was in a doubles meetup league and we decided to stop the league. I have a ball machine that I’m charging right now. I may just use that for awhile. I guess that doesn’t answer your question, but HS Tennis in my area has been suspended for weeks even prior to the HS closing as have tournaments. There’s just a lot of uncertainty right now.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I don't get why its so hard to just not play for a while now and to avoid groups and crowds and people, even damn professionals in all sports are not playing for months now...who get paid a ton of money... and you are just doing it for fun.
This thing is serious, italy has a 9% death rate, and yes it might be mostly older than 60 people but so? There are some younger ones too, and its not the best thing if you get a bad pneumonia in any case, but the most important part is ur contagious and its extremely contagious, so u might infect ur parents, grandparents, kids.. people with a bigger risk, imagine someone dies then?

Here in europe we are taking this really seriously, you should act for the next weeks AS if you ARE infected, for the safety of others and yourself...also this vid is good to check out,

 

dman72

Hall of Fame
The problem is if you touch the balls after touching your face, or a towel that then touches your face. If you wipe your hands with sanitizer gel at every change over before touching a towel, etc, you are PROBABLY taking reasonable precautions.
 

Thiem's 1HB

Rookie
I don't get why its so hard to just not play for a while now and to avoid groups and crowds and people

It's not groups and crowds and people, it's me and 1 other guy in a place likely to be deserted.

How is it any different to people travelling to work on a train? Or being in a work space, hospital, school or factory? Or going into a shop, touching the door handles, pressing the touchscreen on the till, handing over money etc? If anything there's ALOT less contact.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
It's not groups and crowds and people, it's me and 1 other guy in a place likely to be deserted.

How is it any different to people travelling to work on a train? Or being in a work space, hospital, school or factory? Or going into a shop, touching the door handles, pressing the touchscreen on the till, handing over money etc? If anything there's ALOT less contact.

Well in europe we pretty much shut down most of what you listed in most countries.

Now ok il give u that if you go play with 1 dude and u keep ur distance it shouldn't be a big issue, but u need to sanitize your hands often and wash them throughly after, and not touch ur face, and like I said keep ur distance.. that should minimize ur chances to get sick...alltho if its true what they say that this virus is airborne and can stay in the air for hours, specially with the outside winds... its not a guarantee.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
May be the year for Pickleball, easy to clean in a Hazmat suit
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Thiem's 1HB

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Well in europe we pretty much shut down most of what you listed in most countries.

Not sure where you live, but most non-public workplaces aren't closed in Europe. Supermarkets are open, factories are open, offices are still open, massive Amazon distribution centres are full of staff etc. Even schools in the UK have been open all this time (though closing on Friday). People still need to earn a living. Not everyone is a Silicon Valley dot com millionaire who can work remotely from a laptop whilst on yacht.
 
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There will be no FRV2 serve videos this summer so that should tell you how serious this is. No wiggle room for playing tennis.
 
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1stVolley

Professional
A possible risk from tennis balls I haven't seen discussed is the formation of a virus aerosol when a contaminated ball is struck by the racquet. If the ball had the virus on the surface, the violent action of the swing might send the virus into the air. A recent NIH article mentioned the special risk a virus aerosol poses (this was in regard to certain medical procedures that could create an aerosol, like treating dental caries by drilling or orthopedic bone shaving).

If someone infected coughs or sneezes while playing tennis it seems possible that the court surface could harbor the virus and balls landing in the affected area as well as our shoe soles could pick up some of the virus.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
If someone infected coughs or sneezes while playing tennis it seems possible that the court surface could harbor the virus and balls landing in the affected area as well as our shoe soles could pick up some of the virus.
This virus (and viruses in general) is pretty finicky and it needs finely tuned conditions to survive in. Exposure to the sun's UV rays and high temperatures damages RNA and destroys viruses.

Source:
If I'm reading the chart correctly, 1 hour of solar exposure on a clear day in summer alone (in some places) would kill 99% of the viruses analyzed. This doesn't factor in the heated up court surface. So if you are going to play, play outdoors
 
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FatHead250

Professional
If you both self-isolate apart from playing tennis between each other, then no risk whatsoever.

To elaborate: even if one of you has teh virus and they spread it to you, you are self-isolated anyway. And if in 99.99 percent of te time you both don't, then you can't catch it from each other, or catch it elsewhere and spread it to the second player during the asymptomatic period, due to the fact that you both self-isolate. Same goes for every reasonable group of tennis player, 4 players at max. YOu can just go out and play tennis with each other without any risks. And the benefits you reap from every practice session way outweigh the disadvantages of sitting at home all day
 
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socalmd123

Professional
Tried to play with my kids today on our association courts and were kicked off by security saying association shut down the tennis courts. How is playing tennis with my kids spreading the covid19? We live in same house. I'm an internist and believe in social distancing but closing the tennis courts seems ridiculous. I can see closing basketball courts where close physical contact....but tennis courts?
 

1stVolley

Professional
If you both self-isolate apart from playing tennis between each other, then no risk whatsoever.

To elaborate: even if one of you has teh virus and they spread it to you, you are self-isolated anyway. And if in 99.99 percent of te time you both don't, then you can't catch it from each other, or catch it elsewhere and spread it to the second player during the asymptomatic period, due to the fact that you both self-isolate. Same goes for every reasonable group of tennis player, 4 players at max. YOu can just go out and play tennis with each other without any risks. And the benefits you reap from every practice session way outweigh the disadvantages of sitting at home all day
Since there does not seem to be any testing of virus transmission on tennis balls, I don't think anyone can say with assurance that there is no risk in playing tennis. I think it is quite plausible that someone with virus on their hands can pass it to other players by contaminating the balls they use. The virus would only need to exist on the surface of the balls for a very short time before being touched by someone else. What the actual level of risk is, no one can say until an experiment is done to determine it.

If you use some device on court to keep score there is also the possibility that it can be contaminated and then touched by another player. The virus might only need to stay on the surface for something like 5 minutes before being touched (a reasonable guess at the length of a single game).
 

FatHead250

Professional
Since there does not seem to be any testing of virus transmission on tennis balls, I don't think anyone can say with assurance that there is no risk in playing tennis. I think it is quite plausible that someone with virus on their hands can pass it to other players by contaminating the balls they use. The virus would only need to exist on the surface of the balls for a very short time before being touched by someone else. What the actual level of risk is, no one can say until an experiment is done to determine it.

If you use some device on court to keep score there is also the possibility that it can be contaminated and then touched by another player. The virus might only need to stay on the surface for something like 5 minutes before being touched (a reasonable guess at the length of a single game).
No but only the two players are touching the balls anyway
 

1stVolley

Professional
This virus (and viruses in general) is pretty finicky and it needs finely tuned conditions to survive in. Exposure to the sun's UV rays and high temperatures damages RNA and destroys viruses.

Source:
If I'm reading the chart correctly, 1 hour of solar exposure on a clear day in summer alone (in some places) would kill 99% of the viruses analyzed. This doesn't factor in the heated up court surface. So if you are going to play, play outdoors
Several issues with this study including the fact that the COVID-19 virus was not studied and a wide variation in UV viral inactivation was reported (30% was mentioned). The study did not examine any single-strand RNA virus (COVID-19 virus falls in this category). Also, time of day, time of year, degree of cloudiness, presence of shade, etc., all affect intensity of UV irradiation.

The issue we face is that the possibility of viral transmission playing tennis is not known, but let's assume it is small. That small possibility has to be factored into the consequence that someone may die after being infected. It might not be the infected tennis player but a friend or family member who has a comorbidity like asthma.
 

1stVolley

Professional
This virus (and viruses in general) is pretty finicky and it needs finely tuned conditions to survive in. Exposure to the sun's UV rays and high temperatures damages RNA and destroys viruses.

Source:
If I'm reading the chart correctly, 1 hour of solar exposure on a clear day in summer alone (in some places) would kill 99% of the viruses analyzed. This doesn't factor in the heated up court surface. So if you are going to play, play outdoors
The COVID-19 virus was not tested and, in fact, no single-strand RNA virus (which includes the COVID-19 virus) was. The report mentions a 30% variation in effectiveness of UV irradiation effectiveness among the tested viruses. Since COVID-19 was found to persist on some surfaces (cardboard, plastics and stainless steel) for over a day or two, I'm not sure calling viruses "pretty finicky" is perfectly appropriate.

Also, tennis is played at different times, including at night, which should be factored into a safety evaluation. But the point I'm trying to make is that the safety of playing tennis free from COVID-19 infection is not known. Even if we grant that the potential is small, we have to consider that the consequence might involve someone's death. Not, perhaps, the death of the tennis player but of another person who might have a contributing comorbidity like asthma or high blood pressure.
 

Dan R

Professional
Each player should brings their own can of balls, and they only touch the balls they brought (serving/feeding). The other player sends the balls to the other side only using the racket. Don't touch the racket head/strings. Keep a reasonable distance apart. I you are disciplined to follow these rules then I don't think there not much risk.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Each player should brings their own can of balls, and they only touch the balls they brought (serving/feeding). The other player sends the balls to the other side only using the racket. Don't touch the racket head/strings. Keep a reasonable distance apart. I you are disciplined to follow these rules then I don't think there not much risk.

Also wear a mask so you dont sneeze and cough into the air, and sit on the opposite side of the court at changeover. keep distance of 10 feet at all times, and wear tight ski glasses with no air leakage around.
 

Friedman Whip

Professional
Just wear gloves if you are that concerned
I've thought of gloves too. I have a pair of golf gloves that I can play pretty well with. Seems to me if all players were to wear uncontaminated gloves and observe other obvious precautions (like no hands to face) things would be good. If someone sneezes on the balls, get different balls. Discard the balls afterwards.
 
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norcal

Legend
I am still playing. Here are the rules we use (one of our group is a UCD doctor who is actually working on covid-19 response).

No one plays if they are sick in any way, especially fever, cough, or any breathing problems

Hand sanitize immediately before start of play. Then don’t touch eyes, nose or mouth.

Maintain minimum 6 feet apart at changeovers (we just spread out on both sides of the court).

No handshakes, slaps, hugs, etc. Appropriate respiratory hygiene (cough or sneeze into sleeve, or use Kleenex, etc) then hand sanitize again.

Hand sanitize immediately after play. That way there is minimal risk.
 

Znak

Hall of Fame
I am still playing. Here are the rules we use (one of our group is a UCD doctor who is actually working on covid-19 response).
Strange for a doc to be okay with that considering there can be people that are covid asymptomatic...

Personally the amount I sweat, the chances of me not touching my face will be impossible haha

(also fyi, soap is much more effective than sanitizer if you have access to the clubhouse to wash your hands)
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Several issues with this study including the fact that the COVID-19 virus was not studied and a wide variation in UV viral inactivation was reported (30% was mentioned). The study did not examine any single-strand RNA virus (COVID-19 virus falls in this category). Also, time of day, time of year, degree of cloudiness, presence of shade, etc., all affect intensity of UV irradiation.

The issue we face is that the possibility of viral transmission playing tennis is not known, but let's assume it is small. That small possibility has to be factored into the consequence that someone may die after being infected. It might not be the infected tennis player but a friend or family member who has a comorbidity like asthma.
ssRNA viruses are included in the study. It's also worth noting that DNA is more stable than RNA, and double-stranded is more stable than single-stranded; leaving ssRNA as the least stable.

As expected from the differential chemical reactivity to UV between ribonucleotides and deoxyribonucleotides, the SnS values for ssRNA viruses are higher than those for ssDNA viruses.

[...]

The values of SnS indicate that viruses containing dsDNA or dsRNA are generally more resistant (with SnS values in the thousands of J/m2 · kb) than viruses whose genomes are ssDNA or ssRNA (SnS values ranging from 50 to several hundred J/m2 · kb).

(SnS is their measure of sensitivity - higher number means more sensitive.)


I'm not even saying it's safe to play outside, just that it's safer
 

Addxyz

Hall of Fame
I live in a shelter in place area. Someone messaged our Meetup group saying someone attending a private tennis lesson was fined $500 for non-compliance doing a "unnecessary activity".
 

norcal

Legend
Strange for a doc to be okay with that considering there can be people that are covid asymptomatic...

Personally the amount I sweat, the chances of me not touching my face will be impossible haha

(also fyi, soap is much more effective than sanitizer if you have access to the clubhouse to wash your hands)

Yes there is going to be risk in any activity, I'm sure my grocery shopping this morning put me at 10x the risk playing tennis later will.

With proper distancing the only way to get the virus is from the balls. Frequent hand sanitizing/good hygiene should take care of that (of course not 100%, nothing is).

We are shelter in place but outdoor activities are allowed if using proper distancing, no crowds etc. No clubhouse, we play on public courts.
 

ballmachineguy

Hall of Fame
I guess if I knew I was playing someone that was infected, I wouldn’t touch my face, but I would worry about them touching the ball and then me whacking a serve and inhaling the fuzz I knocked off.

Speaking of that, I wonder how much ball fuzz your average touring pro inhales in a year?
 

Scuoteguazza

New User
Here is a link to an article that includes info from a retired professor of pathology.


Here is the key quote:

Ellen Jo Baron, a retired Stanford University professor of pathology who directed diagnostic microbiology and virology laboratories for more than three decades, knows a few things about viruses and how they’re transmitted.

Baron’s best advice: Enjoy the outdoors but do it in a fairly isolated, conservative fashion. Don’t stop to talk to others and be mindful not to touch railings, such as those on a bridge or a staircase.

And, most likely, even a tennis ball. [Emphasis added]

“Coronavirus sits on that ball and is happy for a couple of hours,” Baron said.

Dick Gould, Stanford’s tennis coach for 38 years until retiring in 2004, has been telling friends to stay away from the courts because of the uncertainty over the ball. No one knows what that fuzzy green material might collect and transmit between players.

“When it gets right down to it, we need to do the right thing,” Gould said. “Playing tennis is different than walking around the block.”
But by all means, self-isolate with some tennis, he said: Hit a ball against a wall.
 

Crashbaby

Semi-Pro
Seriously, could you get infected through touching the ball since it’s touched by all players on the court? League matches in Australia have not been cancelled yet. All Indoor sports just got banned here, but no word yet on outdoor sports.
 
It is unlikely, but absolutely possible. My son and DIL are, respectively, a scientist and a NYC intensive care physician, and I have run this by them. ( I was even worried about the sneaky virus flying off an infected ball upon impact!) Personally, when I work with my coach, only she touches the balls. When I hit with my friends, we never touch our faces, we break for hand sanitizer every 10 minutes or so, and never get closer than 10 feet apart. And of course we do our racquets and hands after we play. Overkill, for sure, but we are all onboard with it.

Personally, I hate doubles, which is fortunate, because I would not play doubles right now. Too great a chance to accidentally get too close while someone is hitting and giving a big exhale.

That's me.
 

Ruark

Professional
It's conceivable that you could catch it from a tennis ball, but again, remember to always always keep your hands away from your face. If you have the virus on your fingers, it won't infect you, BUT remember that the "gateway" through which the virus enters your body is your nose and mouth.
 

SpaceAce42

Banned
I don't think people here realize the amount of BALL FUZZ that gets EVERYWHERE! Stays on my shoes, my shirt etc..

I joined here for the reason to plead with people NOT TO PLAY TENNIS RIGHT NOW. Please stay at home when possible.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
I don't think people here realize the amount of BALL FUZZ that gets EVERYWHERE! Stays on my shoes, my shirt etc..

I joined here for the reason to plead with people NOT TO PLAY TENNIS RIGHT NOW. Please stay at home when possible.
Two inches of snow is keeping everyone off the courts today
 

smboogie

Semi-Pro
This has been a concern I have heard about and here in the Bay Area some public courts are closed (locked) for public use but I have not heard of anyone actually getting it. I think it is best for groups to just stay home, take a break and get through this. Off season training time I guess.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
This has been a concern I have heard about and here in the Bay Area some public courts are closed (locked) for public use but I have not heard of anyone actually getting it. I think it is best for groups to just stay home, take a break and get through this. Off season training time I guess.
Campbell closed their courts last week; Santa Clara yesterday. Don't yet know about San Jose and other communities around here.

Pretty easy to practice social distancing on the court if you are hitting with 1 other person. (Can even do it with 4 ppl on a court).

Wearing a glove on my off-hand and only touching the balls only with that gloved hand. Taking extra gloves and hand sanitizer to the courts for other players. Also disinfectant spray for an occassional spritz of the balls.

Been hitting on the wall more than on the courts for nearly 2 weeks. Even easier to practice social distancing on the wall or the court than it is at home (or the store) for many ppl.
 
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