RS
Bionic Poster
I probably won't unless it's insults used so I guess it was pointless asking this to you tbh.
Roddick USO 03 final vs Djokovic USO 15 final?
- Thread starter RS
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RS
Bionic Poster
Think Roddick USO 06 is a little underrated. He played great stuff in the 2 middle sets but the first set.
Roddick was close to taking Djokovic 5 in that one
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
He served well (even very well) but I agree with the other poster that he was just too passive off the ground. Comparing this match to the 2007 QF as far as the baseline is concerned is like night and dayThink Roddick USO 06 is a little underrated. He played great stuff in the 2 middle sets but the first set.
Roddick was close to taking Djokovic 5 in that one
abmk
Bionic Poster
RS
Bionic Poster
I do think both were a little bit better in the USO 07 QF tbh. (Yeah I know Fed might be a hot take
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Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
abmk
Bionic Poster
I am not bullying RS by any means. Merely stating the reality. His choice to do what he wants of course.
Edit: Just for the record, I already put Herald user on ignore. So doubt you'll see me responding to him in any way.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes you are. Stop messing him or his threads up because you can't stand what is being said, so long as it is civil. I don't approve of those takes but rudeness is not an acceptable response. You didn't like it when I was rude to you, huh.
abmk
Bionic Poster
I have no intention of messing up RS's threads. I only responded to that guy Herald as he deserved for his trolling. I don't troll that way.
and I put that guy Herald on ignore. So doubt you'll see me responding to him in any way.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
It doesn’t matter what the opinions he expresses happen to be. I happen to disagree sharply with them but at least he didn’t seem to be annoying or uncivil.
Rudeness is never acceptable if the object of that rudeness is being cordial (or at the very least not antagonistic) towards you.
GoldenSwing
Rookie
Djokovic beat Federer in one of his best serving years in the USO 2015 final....
Roddick would lose in 3-4. Come on now
Roddick would lose in 3-4. Come on now
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
what if I told you the Roddick serve is better than Federer’s serve at his best?
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Would you stop justifying your behaviour because 'they deserved it'? That's the typical bully/abuser reasoning. I don't imagine you'd appreciate someone trying to lay a smackdown on you because 'you deserve it'. ha.
Good if so. You didn't have to respond in the first place anyway. Me, I would like to keep probing him until and unless I could make sure he's truly beyond reasoning. There's a not insignificant number of fairly extreme users still at least partially open to reasoning with if one were to feel like it.
abmk
Bionic Poster
I have lower tolerance for nonsense than you do.
oh and yeah, Herald was pretty annoying with his posts on top of being pretentious by saying he was being reasonable.
In any case, I have no interest in continuing to be harsh towards him or engage him further. Hence I put him on ignore.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Fed didn't exactly serve great in that final. Remember it was played late after a lengthy rain delay, resulting in a slower court + suboptimal play from both due to the long wait and unusual match play time.
abmk
Bionic Poster
one harsh post because he posted rubbish isn't bullying. If I continued that as a pattern, it would be.
and like I said ->
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Not one since you made another in a different thread, too. I was referring to RS anyway, it's mean of you to be uncivil in his threads and this is far from the first time. He has fun seeing opinion clashes and there's nothing wrong with that so long as civility is maintained, and that is practically his motto; I don't remember seeing Reece insult anyone ever, he's supremely even-tempered for this board. Worthy of some respect and keeping the climate mild in his threads just to have an actual insult-free space if nothing else.
I feel like a lot of people would find you to be annoying, pretentious and overestimating the quality of your reasoning... just saying.
abmk
Bionic Poster
I wasn't being uncivil to RS. just a little blunt. Opinion clashes is not the same as stirring up stuff unnecessarily which he has done on few occasions.
and I am not targetting RS's threads by any means.
I'll give credit to RS for not insulting others, but given the stirring he does on occasions, his threads can get hot (not just from my end).
I'd rather leave this alone cause you won't like my honest response, lol.
RS
Bionic Poster
Yeah that take was debatable.
abmk
Bionic Poster
I do think both were a little bit better in the USO 07 QF tbh. (Yeah I know Fed might be a hot take
higher peak in USO 06 final (better returning and I'd say little better BH as well), but marginally more clutch in close stages in USO 07 QF.
Edit: Also 06 form more repeatable for 06 fed than what he managed in 07 for 07 fed
RS
Bionic Poster
Who wins these matchups and in how many sets?
1. Roddick USO 07 QF vs Murray USO 08 SF
2. Hewitt USO 05 SF vs Murray USO 08 SF
3. Agassi USO 05 F vs Nadal USO 08 SF
4. Hewitt USO 01 SF vs Federer USO 05 SF
5. Roddick Cincy 04 vs Nadal Cincy 13
6. Djokovic Canada 13 vs Tsonga Canada 14
7. Tsonga Wim 14 vs Kyrgios Wim 14
1. Roddick USO 07 QF vs Murray USO 08 SF
2. Hewitt USO 05 SF vs Murray USO 08 SF
3. Agassi USO 05 F vs Nadal USO 08 SF
4. Hewitt USO 01 SF vs Federer USO 05 SF
5. Roddick Cincy 04 vs Nadal Cincy 13
6. Djokovic Canada 13 vs Tsonga Canada 14
7. Tsonga Wim 14 vs Kyrgios Wim 14
RS
Bionic Poster
Chisora beat Pulev. Didn’t watch it though.Lewis' mandible should not be underestimated.
TheFifthSet
Legend
Definitely too much.
RS
Bionic Poster
What do you think?
Roddickulous1
Semi-Pro
He was good in the middle two sets although the game he played to get broken in the 3rd set was kinda bad. Overall, I just felt he lacked power in his grounsdstrokes and didn't take enough advantage of serve+1 opportunities. The net rushing game plan wasn't going to get it done against Federer, not that another method would've worked but it would've resulted in a higher levelof play from Rod. Also, I thought Fed took his foot a bit off the gas after the 1st set tbh. Rod kinda sucked in the 1st set and was out of gas in the 4th iirc.Think Roddick USO 06 is a little underrated. He played great stuff in the 2 middle sets but the first set.
Roddick was close to taking Djokovic 5 in that one
The 08 USO QF, he played awesome in the last 2 sets after sucking in the 1st and being mediocre in the 2nd. I actually think he might've been better in the 4th set than the 3rd. He was serving big and straight up bossing Djokovic from the baseline at times in the 4th. He just choked pathetically serving for that set with 2 consecutive DFs and then that dumb dropshot at 5-5 in the TB (Djo lucked out there). I'd take the last 2 sets over anything he did at 06 USO because that the brand of tennis is when Rod was most effective.
Roddickulous1
Semi-Pro
The Nalby match wasn't Roddick best during that run but definitely wasnt a terrible match either. He could've definitely been way clutcher though and he wouldn't have been down MP or even needed a 5th.
That's a tough series to predict. Maybe 6-4 Fed cause of the match up even if I don't think he always had the higher level of play. Like I feel Rod played better in the USO final than Fed did but winning H2H is different story.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
There's no necessity to be rude because 'someone is stirring up stuff'.
I know, it's always someone else while you're perfectly fine. Just stop bothering RS with rudeness and there's no need for any of this, please.
TheFifthSet
Legend
RS
Bionic Poster
No about the winner lol idc about the abmk thing
RS
Bionic Poster
How would you rate Djokovic today out of 10?
RS
Bionic Poster
When I watched the USO 06 F I remember Fed making Rod look worse than he was in the first but Rod was going in the 4th and obviously had that great stint of play. Roddick was more passive though Federer had a much higher winner rate over Roddick than the 07 encounter which is a bit damming because winners is huge part of Roddick's game.
Yeah Roddick hit out quite late in the USO 08 QF wonder how the match goes if Roddick gets into that 5th
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Herald
Guest
I applaud the underlined. You are a man of reason and fairness.
However just because we are on opposite sides of the coin doesn't make me beyond reasoning or extreme. Have you considered that perhaps you could be both?
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Have you? Go check yourself. You seem dogmatic.
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Herald
Guest
Because I think Federer had weak competition and Djokodal are > than him? Does that define dogmatic to you?
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Your reasoning is. 'Roddick 1 slam, poor H2H with Federer -> Roddick weak, therefore Federer struggles with Roddick -> Federer poor'. That was a good example.
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Herald
Guest
I believe I explicitly rejected this caricature of my argument. Besides, that wasn't my argument at all. The argument was that an older Fed could beat a younger Roddick. Looks like you may have glazed over my posts which is what I honestly suspected given some of your responses.
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Herald
Guest
Well said.
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Herald
Guest
Also, I clearly conceded the possibility that 2009 Roddick might beat 2019 Federer, although I argued the opposite initially, and still find it unlikely. That's not dogmatic behavior mister.
Roddickulous1
Semi-Pro
Rod clearly served better (bigger and better placement) and was hitting bigger from the baseline in the 07 match. That should explain the winner differential. It wouldn't surprise me if 06 Rod had more forced errors than 07 Rod though, because of the net rushing tactics. I don't have stats to back this up but he seemed to have approached the net less in the 07 match.When I watched the USO 06 F I remember Fed making Rod look worse than he was in the first but Rod was going in the 4th and obviously had that great stint of play. Roddick was more passive though Federer had a much higher winner rate over Roddick than the 07 encounter which is a bit damming because winners is huge part of Roddick's game.
Yeah Roddick hit out quite late in the USO 08 QF wonder how the match goes if Roddick gets into that 5th
Would put the 5th set in 08 USO QF at 50/50 or a bit of an edge to Djo for being more clutch. Rod could carry the momentum from the 3rd/4th sets or he could still find a way to choke too like he actually did in the 4th. I did think Rod's level of play in the 3rd and especially 4th was better than Djokovics at any point in that match. Djos level was pretty consistent for the most part.
Rod only came back down from 2-0 in a slam twice and both were back in 03 when he was a more ballsy/mentally tougher player. 03 USO semi and AO 03 4R vs Youzhny where he was actually down 2 sets and a break.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
'Could' is a very elastic claim though. No limit to what Federer 'could' do if he had a favourable birthdate, hoahoahoah.
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Herald
Guest
So I'm confused - have you or haven't you accepted my argumentation style is nowhere near dogmatic?
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Unlikely based on player names and convenient stat interpretation? Which is what most of any arguments are about... but you think you're better than that, no?
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Herald
Guest
*sigh* We're back to this again.
