Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
DragonBlaze
Hall of Fame
LOL so true, Roger loves to troll Murray :twisted:
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Ahh, it's been too long since i've seen the troll face 
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
I really hope Murray's fans aren't waiting for him to mature so that his tennis accomplishments (GS titles) can start flowing in.
zagor
Bionic Poster
But thing is, tactics are just one part of the equation, a lot of it comes down to executuion. You can get close to winning or even win with the wrong tactics and lose with the right one.
Murray has the potential to make any match a tight contest even if solely because of his court coverage(one of the best if not the best I've ever seen on HC) and tenacity regardless of his gameplan, he fought well against Berdman but I still felt he let Berdman play his game by giving him so many short balls to attack. We both know Murray can play with the right mix of defense and attack like he did in say 2010 Shanghai and Canada, I didn't see that against Berdych.
A lot of it may have to do with the slow court in Paris which IMO don't suit Murray, he may have found it hard to hit through the court to put opponent on defensive on a consistent basis.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Yes but Nadal exploits Berdman's movement with his sick angles(that absolutely no one on tour hit as well day in day out as Nadal does, not even Fed or Novak), in their matches since about 2007 Berdych rarely controlls the point the way he likes, Nadal is constantly jerking him around the court with his spin until Berdych gives a short reply(that Nadal puts away with his FH) which makes Berdcyh have to go for low % shots and thus make more errors.
batz
G.O.A.T.
Bwahaha, this is wonderful, I really hope Murray and Fed play at WTF this year, sparks will fly
Enough of these bromances amongst top players, this is a refreshing change.
My thoughts exactly. Said the same yesterday - a little bit of spice helps the flavour! Tennis has been too anodyne for a while.
batz
G.O.A.T.
So it's OK for Roger to have his say but it's a sign of of immaturity for Murray to respond? An interesting hypothesis.
IMO it's also a sign of immaturity for posters to take threads off topic in order to have snidey pops at players and their fans.
Why am I not surprised by this? Because Federer has made a habit of giving backhanded compliments to his opponents. He can keep saying it all he wants, let's hope, he backs up his comments, during the match, when Murray is on the other side of the net.
Murray will want to beat the heck out of him.
Murray will want to beat the heck out of him.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
1) The sign of maturity is the manner, in which one chooses to respond, not whether or not one chooses to respond (in my view).
2) I was merely expressing my sympathy for those who follow his exploits (albeit in a playful manner I confess).
batz
G.O.A.T.
In which case please accept my apologies - I clearly misunderstood what you were trying to say.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
No apologies needed, I know how easy it is to misunderstand on these message boards.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
You find ageing primadonnas becoming? Strange fetish.
prosealster
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Sentinel
Bionic Poster
LMAO !!!
That's precisely why the tired old man should shut the up.Why am I not surprised by this? Because Federer has made a habit of giving backhanded compliments to his opponents. He can keep saying it all he wants, let's hope, he backs up his comments, during the match, when Murray is on the other side of the net.
Murray will want to beat the heck out of him.
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nikdom
Guest
Hey, don't look at me.... Roger is the one who started the flame war. If not I, someone else would have started a thread on this already well-reported matter.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
I will. Your thread title says it all.
antoaneta71
Rookie
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
9 and 8 on that list arentreally verbal jabs though. Surely they could have found something better? :lol:
Basically they don't like eachother, and Murray makes digs too.Federer I think started it after that Dubai match where he shouldn't have said anything even though he was right that Murray plays too defensive a lot of the time. Federer was obviously being very grumpy that he lost a match because he threw in tons of errors. After that he did sometimes try to make it up by saying nice things about Murray but it's been a battle of words between the two. When Murray lost a couple of matches he said that Roger is hard to beat if you let him play, which I found funny because I always think the offensive player has the bigger say in the match, but obviously Murray was trying to say "he won cos I let him" Federer tried to be nice saying that maybe Andy didn't have his best day when he beat him at the WTF either last year or in 2009, but he doesn't really like him and above all I don't think he likes the massive overhype that follows a guy who has never done what he has 16 times... Rafa has done it 10 and Novak has done it 4 times. Muray zero. Yet he is often talked about as being the man to beat, the best in the world on the basis of winning a 500 or masters event. I mean should he have digs at him? No, but I live in England and have become sick with the "well this is surely Tim/Andy's year" mantra that has been going on for about 14 years now. The British press are obnoxious in their talking up a player who has not achieved the top level of the game yet - if Murray ever does win a slam, those in England will never hear the end of Murray's unparalleled genius. So maybe he is sick of answering these questions. Anyway, Murray has also talked about Rafa definately being the GOAT, which I think could become a reality but not yet. This does seem like a dig at Federer when you consider that he's beaten Nadal at a slam twice and both times been denied his dream by Federer who he has never beaten at a slam..
Out of the players who have challenged Federer, he likes Nadal the most (I think because he sees him as a nice guy with a lot of heart, a great player and respect for him rather than a "I'm gonna take you down" type attitude which Murray seems to have on court) then Del Potro who he seems to like a lot despite him challenging too slowly in the US Open final and the following rant from Federer. Djokovic he doesn't much like but I think this stems from firstly his parents and secondly his retirements - he does at least have respect for him and you see they get on alright together. Murray is the most frosty of all. I kind of look at Murray sometimes, when he is really bratty on court, shouting swearwords for long spells, cheering opponents unforced errors... I think sometimes he's filled in his lack of extra whatever it is that makes talented players into champions of the highest level, with pure bile and anger and getting under people's skin. Many people and probably Federer don't warm to him because of this.
Basically they don't like eachother, and Murray makes digs too.Federer I think started it after that Dubai match where he shouldn't have said anything even though he was right that Murray plays too defensive a lot of the time. Federer was obviously being very grumpy that he lost a match because he threw in tons of errors. After that he did sometimes try to make it up by saying nice things about Murray but it's been a battle of words between the two. When Murray lost a couple of matches he said that Roger is hard to beat if you let him play, which I found funny because I always think the offensive player has the bigger say in the match, but obviously Murray was trying to say "he won cos I let him" Federer tried to be nice saying that maybe Andy didn't have his best day when he beat him at the WTF either last year or in 2009, but he doesn't really like him and above all I don't think he likes the massive overhype that follows a guy who has never done what he has 16 times... Rafa has done it 10 and Novak has done it 4 times. Muray zero. Yet he is often talked about as being the man to beat, the best in the world on the basis of winning a 500 or masters event. I mean should he have digs at him? No, but I live in England and have become sick with the "well this is surely Tim/Andy's year" mantra that has been going on for about 14 years now. The British press are obnoxious in their talking up a player who has not achieved the top level of the game yet - if Murray ever does win a slam, those in England will never hear the end of Murray's unparalleled genius. So maybe he is sick of answering these questions. Anyway, Murray has also talked about Rafa definately being the GOAT, which I think could become a reality but not yet. This does seem like a dig at Federer when you consider that he's beaten Nadal at a slam twice and both times been denied his dream by Federer who he has never beaten at a slam..
Out of the players who have challenged Federer, he likes Nadal the most (I think because he sees him as a nice guy with a lot of heart, a great player and respect for him rather than a "I'm gonna take you down" type attitude which Murray seems to have on court) then Del Potro who he seems to like a lot despite him challenging too slowly in the US Open final and the following rant from Federer. Djokovic he doesn't much like but I think this stems from firstly his parents and secondly his retirements - he does at least have respect for him and you see they get on alright together. Murray is the most frosty of all. I kind of look at Murray sometimes, when he is really bratty on court, shouting swearwords for long spells, cheering opponents unforced errors... I think sometimes he's filled in his lack of extra whatever it is that makes talented players into champions of the highest level, with pure bile and anger and getting under people's skin. Many people and probably Federer don't warm to him because of this.
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But seriously who was there when Roger dominating tour in 04 05 06 07 hewitt Roddick and 35 years old grandfather Agassi
Completely off topic
Troll alert !!
Crisstti
Legend
Lol. Didn't know about several of those...
I'm kinda baffled about how many tennis fans seems to think the players are boring personalities. What it'd take for them not to be boring?. How is it any different in other sports?.
Really.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
"But I'm not a fan of, 'Please welcome world No 4 Roger Federer'. Can we not be positive? Perhaps, 'Former world No 1 or six-times Wimbledon champion?' Isn't that nicer for the fans? I think we have to be a bit more excited and pumped-up. I'm not saying it to sound bad, it's reality and 4 is not bad, but I suppose being world No 1 for so long, it sounds funny."
Oh for Pete's sake (and everyone else's), can't Roger put a sock in it? He's just digging himself in deeper with all this unnecessary bellyaching and whingeing! Does he expect the announcer to reel off every single one of his titles before he can be introduced? There's only limited player time out there you know! What's wrong with being introduced as the world no.4 anyway? It's what he is and everyone who knows even the slightest thing about tennis knows who Roger Federer is anyway and what he has achieved in the sport!!
I've never seen Federer comes across as so petulant and insecure before. Some bad habits he's picked up as he gets older? Just unworthy of the great champion he was and is.
Stephan Edberg award for...what was it again exactly???
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IvanisevicServe
Banned
Who cares? Federer's always been the kind of guy who is going to say what he thinks, and if people don't like it, he doesn't care.
They're just words. At least he's not out there womanizing and throwing d----ebag parties like so many others on the tour obviously do.
They're just words. At least he's not out there womanizing and throwing d----ebag parties like so many others on the tour obviously do.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
"But I'm not a fan of, 'Please welcome world No 4 Roger Federer'. Can we not be positive? Perhaps, 'Former world No 1 or six-times Wimbledon champion?' Isn't that nicer for the fans? I think we have to be a bit more excited and pumped-up. I'm not saying it to sound bad, it's reality and 4 is not bad, but I suppose being world No 1 for so long, it sounds funny."
Oh for Pete's sake (and everyone else's), can't Roger put a sock in it? He's just digging himself in deeper with all this unnecessary bellyaching and whingeing! Does he expect the announcer to reel off every single one of his titles before he can be introduced? There's only limited player time out there you know! What's wrong with being introduced as the world no.4 anyway? It's what he is and everyone who knows even the slightest thing about tennis knows who Roger Federer is anyway and what he has achieved in the sport!!
I've never seen Federer comes across as so petulant and insecure before. Some bad habits he's picked up as he gets older? Just unworthy of the great champion he was and is.
Stephan Edberg award for...what was it again exactly???
If you have never seen fed come across like this before you have not had your eyes open, it his normal egomaniac self. I don't know which is worse his behavior or his fans that cannot see it.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
I think any person with an inferiority complex could be affected watching a confident person enjoying the fruits of his labour.
Personally I never quite understood why people waste energy, nerve cells etc. on contemplating and interpreting what others say. It's petty to call him arrogant because you feel inferior, or you see the player you support as inferior to Federer. He is a modern day demi-god, accept it.
Personally I never quite understood why people waste energy, nerve cells etc. on contemplating and interpreting what others say. It's petty to call him arrogant because you feel inferior, or you see the player you support as inferior to Federer. He is a modern day demi-god, accept it.
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
Exactly zagor.
Murray surprises quite often indeed with his lack of head-smart play. He has got it but abandons it way too often and matches get away from him.
As for Murray being the form indoor player late this season - let's see what everyone has to say about than in a few hours when the 12 hr match-spoiler moratorium is up.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Not too many matches though! :wink:
Who's been saying he's the form indoor player? He hadn't played any indoor matches this season until Paris!
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
Just read the Top 10 Murray jab list, pretty good.
I don't know if it was mentioned but there was this one"
"You know, He can play at the baseline, far back (behind the baseline), or really far back, so you know he has alot of options"
hahahah
That is the one thing you have to love about Fed, he does just keep it real, sometimes, too real, thats when it becomes his arrogance. Sometimes it's just disgusting and annoying, but sometimes it is just pure comedy, and like an almost refreshing sense of clarity, in a way. haha
I think it's because he is old school, where guys actually wanted to win, and didn't think the player they were playing against was the greatest ever, like they do now, where there are multiple contemporary GOATs, according to Murray and co. :twisted:
Don't be surprised when it's Federer who pulls the Greg Rusedski - haha - when Rafa turns 27 and Fed starts talking like "You know, hes just a step and half slower than he used to be, he's just not the same player anymore, he'll probably get bludgeoned by up and coming player X in his next round match"
hahah
I don't know if it was mentioned but there was this one"
"You know, He can play at the baseline, far back (behind the baseline), or really far back, so you know he has alot of options"
hahahah
That is the one thing you have to love about Fed, he does just keep it real, sometimes, too real, thats when it becomes his arrogance. Sometimes it's just disgusting and annoying, but sometimes it is just pure comedy, and like an almost refreshing sense of clarity, in a way. haha
I think it's because he is old school, where guys actually wanted to win, and didn't think the player they were playing against was the greatest ever, like they do now, where there are multiple contemporary GOATs, according to Murray and co. :twisted:
Don't be surprised when it's Federer who pulls the Greg Rusedski - haha - when Rafa turns 27 and Fed starts talking like "You know, hes just a step and half slower than he used to be, he's just not the same player anymore, he'll probably get bludgeoned by up and coming player X in his next round match"
hahah
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
OK, people calling him the form player per se was close enough really - as usual, Murray talked up the wazoo only to have a fizzer the next match he played.Not too many matches though! :wink:
Who's been saying he's the form indoor player? He hadn't played any indoor matches this season until Paris!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Murray didn't talk up anything. He stated only that he wanted to try and take the #3 ranking before year-end because it was within the bounds of possibility. That's why he played Asia. It worked.
Evan77
Banned
Did Roger really say that? LOL. I just can't remember but it's hilarious even if he didn't.
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
"He's got many different opportunities to play any player, I think. That's what makes him dangerous; he's got the good slice, he can stay back, he can stay very far back.
So he's got three different options, and not many players have that out there."
This is Fed's exact quote about Murray haha
He even limits Andy to having only 3 options, poor Andy knows Fed has the answer to all 3 of those options, so he's just SOL that he doesn't have a 4th. haha
was his exact quote haha
So he's got three different options, and not many players have that out there."
This is Fed's exact quote about Murray haha
He even limits Andy to having only 3 options, poor Andy knows Fed has the answer to all 3 of those options, so he's just SOL that he doesn't have a 4th. haha
was his exact quote haha
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
I never said Murray talked it up - learn to reply to what was written.
I said: "people calling him the form player per se was close enough really - as usual, Murray talked up the wazoo only to have a fizzer the next match he played." - Translating this it this means other people called him the form player - fact; and that Murray was hyped up - fact.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
You said, quote " as usual Murray talked up the wazoo" unquote. Now I haven't the slightest notion what ' a wazoo' is but I note you stated that Murray was 'talking up something'. I pointed out that Murray didn't talk up anything. It seems other people may have done so but that's nothing to do with Murray is it?
I've heard criticism of Federer over comments such as this and questions of his character, but I'm totally fine with it and quite enjoy it. There's very little verbal jousting amongst the top players, and not enough in my opinion. Federer is being honest and I've never had issue with someone telling it like they see it. Also, I don't think he has the highest opinion of Murray, but based on his on-court demeanor and other antics, who can blame him?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I suspect the real reason Fed may like to take potshots at Murray is because he is the only top player other than Nadal he has a losing H2H against, currently 6-8. As soon as he reverses that, don't be surprised to hear far warmer and more generous comments about him! :wink:
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nikdom
Guest
So does Roger should be taking potshots at Nadal too by that measure? No?
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
That is counterintuitive. Nadal has a positive H2H over Federer and Federer loves the guy.
I am sure that Federer does not care about Murray's h2h lead over him. He knows he has beaten Murray in the biggest tournaments (AO, USO, WTF). I suspect he just dislikes Murray's game.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Ah Nadal's different. He's a multiple slam winner like Roger. The only one he considers worthy of being his rival! :wink:
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nikdom
Guest
So the h2h matter is really moot then. Roger may not like Murray for some other reason.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Murray annihilated Roger in a Call of Duty session. Things have never been the same between the two.
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