MasterZeb
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Do us fed fans count as one of the innocuous creatures u dont like?
Roofs and homogenizing playing conditions (+ Novak Djokovic)
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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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I just don't like Fed fanatics who only know to talk about his age and nothing else.Do us fed fans count as one of the innocuous creatures u dont like?
I don't care whose fan a person is as long as he is showing appreciation toward every top player and being objective.
MasterZeb
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Well i think im pretty safe then. fewwww!I just don't like Fed fanatics who only know to talk about his age and nothing else.
I don't care whose fan a person is as long as he is showing appreciation toward every top player and being objective.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
My two cents:
Wind has always been a bigger problem for ultra-aggressive players who like to take the ball on the rise. Someone like Nadal is quite comfortable moving way back, and he is especially effective on clay. Novak has been especially good indoors, but so has Fed. I'm not sure I see that he lack of wind has helped or harmed either one more than the other.
But on another note, I loathed playing in wind. The more wind, the less fun it was to play. Wind makes errors for everyone. And I don't like watching tennis when wind becomes a large factor. I also don't like delays or postponed matches.
I say, bring on the roofs, and more indoor tennis!
Wind has always been a bigger problem for ultra-aggressive players who like to take the ball on the rise. Someone like Nadal is quite comfortable moving way back, and he is especially effective on clay. Novak has been especially good indoors, but so has Fed. I'm not sure I see that he lack of wind has helped or harmed either one more than the other.
But on another note, I loathed playing in wind. The more wind, the less fun it was to play. Wind makes errors for everyone. And I don't like watching tennis when wind becomes a large factor. I also don't like delays or postponed matches.
I say, bring on the roofs, and more indoor tennis!
PMChambers
Hall of Fame
Rooves at Majors are a good thing. They allow the money to grow through guaranteed television timing and ensure viewers can feel certain in getting to see a match. It's nice to have multiple courts covered as it allows a bit more fairness across the field. I don't think anyone want's heavy conditions such as high wind and rain, the paying public, the viewers, sponsors, televisors and players. IT also adds a venue that can be used for multiple purposes. The Rod Laver arena was the most utilised stadium in Australia and unlike the Olypic Stadiums are not payed for completely by the slaves / residence.
As far as Djokovic goes he's a great indoor player, his reduced margin for error and flatter hitting means he can play more confident. On the other hand Nadal and Federer who have some the highest spin generations in history thrive in out door windy conditions as their heavy balls (lol) are less effected by external forces.
Rooves are good for the Majors and the game.
As far as Djokovic goes he's a great indoor player, his reduced margin for error and flatter hitting means he can play more confident. On the other hand Nadal and Federer who have some the highest spin generations in history thrive in out door windy conditions as their heavy balls (lol) are less effected by external forces.
Rooves are good for the Majors and the game.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I've never had the money to travel to London, Paris, NYC or to Australia. But I would think anyone who has the money time would hate seeing a great match ruined by rain and other horrible weather conditions. Why would anyone want to wait til Monday to see a final because it as rained out on Sunday?
I much older than almost everyone here, but to me the "good old days" were not so good!
I much older than almost everyone here, but to me the "good old days" were not so good!
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Unless Barca really likes a muddy pitch.
With individual sports, this is far more probable too (like Murray benefiting from wind).
I believe that Murray would prefer to play against Djokovic in windy conditions and/or bad court, but against (as an example) Goffin he would not. Irregular factors increase unpredictability and influence of luck and this is what you need when you play (potentially) better player than you and what you don't need when you play (potentially) weaker player than you.
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Maybe you're right.
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We can agree to agree.
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Deleted member 716271
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Hey the discussion has actually gone into the direction I initially intended!
Even the best laid threads go awry
Gazelle
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Recently, why Is it that SOME djoker fans feel every single thread is threatening or dishonouring djokovics accomplishments? Some kind of uncertainty/ insecurity?
Fed 2006 would roast a turkey more quickly than Djok 2015.
CLEARLY.
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The one thing I don't want to think about right now is turkey.
Captain Grant
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How could you know it if Federer was beating Kiefer and Bagdatis in 2006?
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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Turkey is a beautiful country, what do you have against it?
SpinToWin
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SpinToWin
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They exiled my ancestors from Constantinople and claimed all our amassed riches for themselves… I'd be Scrooge McDuck if it wasn't for themTurkey is a beautiful country, what do you have against it?
(true story tho, really) 
Livedeath
Professional
I will try to put few points across.
Why was the indoor tennis introduced in the first place and its subsequent effect on the way players played. Tennis being played majorly in the west, where after September it was difficult to play in the colder conditions especially in northern hemisphere, hence it had become imperative that the tennis be moved to indoors. This change attributed to a slightly different type of skill needed by players in indoors, or to put it differently it resulted in a change in the way the game was to be played indoors. Now the players had to rely more on their tennis skills since the indoor conditions did not give much advantage to the player where he/she could exploit the condition to his/her advantage, like for instance playing in windy conditions generally helped a player who was adept in breaking a players rhythm or momentum, playing in damp conditions caused the ball to slow down a bit and helped a player who relied more on his defensive skill, or playing in dry conditions which aided the ball to travel a bit faster in air, and helped a player who relied more on his aggressive or first strike tennis.
Addition of roofs resulted in the indoor conditions and were added primarily to remove the factors or variables in the sport which affected the overall game much to the chagrin of the spectators, players and the organizers, and they basically were heat related issues(roof at AO) and delays caused due to rain. On one hand it resolved theses issues and players could play without having to worry about those factors, but on the other hand, it resulted, playing in conditions which are ideal for tennis but not exactly natural. Hence it is a trade off and it is up to the viewer to like it or not.
Personally i prefer a mixture of both worlds i.e., indoor and outdoor, in a season, and i prefer that the matches that are to be scheduled to be played in outdoor, should be played in closed roofs only if the playing conditions stymies the progress of the match.
Why was the indoor tennis introduced in the first place and its subsequent effect on the way players played. Tennis being played majorly in the west, where after September it was difficult to play in the colder conditions especially in northern hemisphere, hence it had become imperative that the tennis be moved to indoors. This change attributed to a slightly different type of skill needed by players in indoors, or to put it differently it resulted in a change in the way the game was to be played indoors. Now the players had to rely more on their tennis skills since the indoor conditions did not give much advantage to the player where he/she could exploit the condition to his/her advantage, like for instance playing in windy conditions generally helped a player who was adept in breaking a players rhythm or momentum, playing in damp conditions caused the ball to slow down a bit and helped a player who relied more on his defensive skill, or playing in dry conditions which aided the ball to travel a bit faster in air, and helped a player who relied more on his aggressive or first strike tennis.
Addition of roofs resulted in the indoor conditions and were added primarily to remove the factors or variables in the sport which affected the overall game much to the chagrin of the spectators, players and the organizers, and they basically were heat related issues(roof at AO) and delays caused due to rain. On one hand it resolved theses issues and players could play without having to worry about those factors, but on the other hand, it resulted, playing in conditions which are ideal for tennis but not exactly natural. Hence it is a trade off and it is up to the viewer to like it or not.
Personally i prefer a mixture of both worlds i.e., indoor and outdoor, in a season, and i prefer that the matches that are to be scheduled to be played in outdoor, should be played in closed roofs only if the playing conditions stymies the progress of the match.
I dont think that the consecutive runs in yesteryear without roof was better in comparison to the current trend. As i have stated earlier, without roof, players had the advantage of using their diverse skills to exploit the natural conditions, but now days if players play with roof, where many factors are negated they have to rely on their core tennis skills to eventually come out on top. I reckon there could be solid arguments on both sides and it is up to the viewers liking to choose which brand of tennis he/she prefers.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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I am scared to think what I would have been if it wasn't for them occupying our territory for 500 years.They exiled my ancestors from Constantinople and claimed all our amassed riches for themselves… I'd be Scrooge McDuck if it wasn't for them
Oh well, you know what they say, though we were for 500 years under Turks, Turkey is always under Turks.
SpinToWin
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To give another impulse in this thread, doesn't it stand to reason that, since roofs greatly diminish the effects of exterior conditions on the play, more impulses must be placed on the court and balls themselves to cause varied conditions? The same court in different locations, seasons, etc. could play very differently if exterior conditions are allowed to have a full impact, but if we take these out of the equation, perhaps we need to exaggerate how different the courts are in order to achieve variety.
Livedeath
Professional
They exiled my ancestors from Constantinople and claimed all our amassed riches for themselves… I'd be Scrooge McDuck if it wasn't for them
Any monarch regime or oppressive power in the world resulted in such states of native people over the world over, whether it be your case of Ottoman Empire, or the Moghuls and British in the Indian subcontinent, or the Portuguese Overseas at global level.I am scared to think what I would have been if it wasn't for them occupying our territory for 500 years.
Oh well, you know what they say, though we were for 500 years under Turks, Turkey is always under Turks.
Livedeath
Professional
It is an interesting proposition to induce the diverse factors of different surfaces including their respective behavior over varied altitudes.
On a lighter vein they might cogitate to do something like this
To get a clay like bounce perhaps they might like to introduce a 'crazy ball' with a lot less bounce but enough to keep in contention with clay bounce. Heavy balls or somewhat dead surface to replicate the odd bounce of grass, or a permanent wet tennis ball which will skid just like the ball does on carpet
, or a squishy ball no matter how hard you hit, it will result in a slow shot, thus replicating a slow surface like Bercy.I wonder how the announcement will be "Ladies and Gentlemen, you are going to experience a carpet like performance in indoors on a hard surface. We are going to introduce wet tennis balls."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to start high speed blowers for a set to replicate windy conditions, kindly put your jacket on, and players are advised to use the winds judiciously"
SpinToWin
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LOL well playedIt is an interesting proposition to induce the diverse factors of different surfaces including their respective behavior over varied altitudes.
On a lighter vein they might cogitate to do something like this
To get a clay like bounce perhaps they might like to introduce a 'crazy ball' with a lot less bounce but enough to keep in contention with clay bounce. Heavy balls or somewhat dead surface to replicate the odd bounce of grass, or a permanent wet tennis ball which will skid just like the ball does on carpet
I wonder how the announcement will be "Ladies and Gentlemen, you are going to experience a carpet like performance in indoors on a hard surface. We are going to introduce wet tennis balls."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to start high speed blowers for a set to replicate windy conditions, kindly put your jacket on, and players are advised to use the winds judiciously"
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
What a silly thread. No player, I don't care who it is, likes to play in very windy conditions. It wreaks havoc on playing conditions and is so unpredictable. Regardless, Djokovic had already won the US Open and been to 4 other Finals before winning it again this year. Wow that wind really messes with his game doesn't it? He's also won Miami, which is very windy, 5 times. I don't see how you can make a case that windy conditions have made a significant difference when it comes to Djokovic versus any other player, and that he needs indoor conditions to be successful. These types of threads are becoming predictable and lame as your intent is obvious in trying to invent new ways to discredit Djokovic.
SpinToWin
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Zodd
Hall of Fame
It is an interesting proposition to induce the diverse factors of different surfaces including their respective behavior over varied altitudes.
On a lighter vein they might cogitate to do something like this
To get a clay like bounce perhaps they might like to introduce a 'crazy ball' with a lot less bounce but enough to keep in contention with clay bounce. Heavy balls or somewhat dead surface to replicate the odd bounce of grass, or a permanent wet tennis ball which will skid just like the ball does on carpet
I wonder how the announcement will be "Ladies and Gentlemen, you are going to experience a carpet like performance in indoors on a hard surface. We are going to introduce wet tennis balls."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to start high speed blowers for a set to replicate windy conditions, kindly put your jacket on, and players are advised to use the winds judiciously"
haha - good post. Could be something to see. Why not play some tourneys with a reaction ball to mimic a very uneven clay court. Imagine seeing players having to lunge for balls like maza here:
Taking this even further I'm afraid could end up as a parallel tour named something like Xtreme Tennis Tour or something silly like that.
Sorry Spin - didn't mean to derail your now on course thread
SpinToWin
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Haha no worries, I very much appreciate some good humorhaha - good post. Could be something to see. Why not play some tourneys with a reaction ball to mimic a very uneven clay court. Imagine seeing players having to lunge for balls like maza here:
Taking this even further I'm afraid could end up as a parallel tour named something like Xtreme Tennis Tour or something silly like that.
Sorry Spin - didn't mean to derail your now on course thread
(and I have the ability to discern humor from seriousness fortunately…)The only thing that bothers me is when people intentionally read things wrong and then accuse me of things that simply aren't true.
Zodd
Hall of Fame
I think OP poses a fair question since I think we all can agree that some players seem to cope better with windy conditions than others (at least in my experience). And while I definitely think the quality of the tennis suffers overall in windy conditions (greatly so in strong winds) and I personally prefer mainly to watch in good conditions, the factor of wind adds an element that test the players character/mental toughness even beyond their pure playing skills. This imo can add an extra layer of competition and can very well be a deciding factor in any match, let alone a high stakes matchup in slam Qs, Ss or Finals.
Zodd
Hall of Fame
Allow me to put a fork in your thread Spin - just saw this thread:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/multiple-olympic-singles-events.551336/
it brings up the what if of indoor/outdoor as well as surface disciplines in the OG tennis event. An interesting discussion - according to the OP the 1908 OG had an indoor as well as an outdoor tennis event! I for one did not know this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_at_the_1908_Summer_Olympics_–_Men's_singles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_at_the_1908_Summer_Olympics_–_Men's_indoor_singles
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/multiple-olympic-singles-events.551336/
it brings up the what if of indoor/outdoor as well as surface disciplines in the OG tennis event. An interesting discussion - according to the OP the 1908 OG had an indoor as well as an outdoor tennis event! I for one did not know this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_at_the_1908_Summer_Olympics_–_Men's_singles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_at_the_1908_Summer_Olympics_–_Men's_indoor_singles
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