Safin was showing off in the finals
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Nosoupforyou
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Rickson said:
Why he's spoken Spanish longer than he has English, deal with it and get a life.
Rickson
G.O.A.T.
The chair umpire speaks English and so does Safin. I was sickened because there was no need to speak Spanish to him at all. I speak Spanish, but don't speak it to my latin friends because I don't want to offend them. If the umpire didn't speak English at all, it might have been understandable, but his English is just as good as his Spanish, if not better.Chopin said:
bc-05 said:
Frankly, when Safin is speaking to the umpire, he cares about COMMUNICATING WITH THE UMPIRE.
He is better with Spanish than English.
The umpire understands Spanish and English equally well, or so I'd assume.
You want him to speak in a language he's not comfortable with for your sake?
He'll do that in the post-match speech, in the interviews. Not when he's on the court in the heat of the match.
Phil
Hall of Fame
Fedrickson - Are you still TROLLING these days? If you think that speaking Spanish to your "Latin" friends (that is, if your Spanish is any good) will offend them, then you are completely ignorant of international communication. Or this may just be a cop-out because you're afraid or embarrassed to squawk in Spanish. In any case, if you ever did speak Sp. to your friends they would probably be thrilled that you've made the effort to learn their language. But, your attitude is not surprising-you and ignorance together are as seamless as the cut of a Brooks Bros. suit.
Neither Safin's nor the chair umpire's native language is English. Safin speaks fluent Spanish and the chair speaks it too (most Portuguese do-the languages are very close in structure). What's the big deal, if he's more comfortable in Spanish? You're also probably the kind of person (and they DO exist) who think that two "fer-ners" speaking together in their own language in a public place, are "rude" because YOU can't understand them (hey, Fedrickson, psst, psst, they're probably talking about YOU!!!). Yeah, right. Dude, just stay put on Lon-GI-l'nd, speaking your own form of gibberish.
Neither Safin's nor the chair umpire's native language is English. Safin speaks fluent Spanish and the chair speaks it too (most Portuguese do-the languages are very close in structure). What's the big deal, if he's more comfortable in Spanish? You're also probably the kind of person (and they DO exist) who think that two "fer-ners" speaking together in their own language in a public place, are "rude" because YOU can't understand them (hey, Fedrickson, psst, psst, they're probably talking about YOU!!!). Yeah, right. Dude, just stay put on Lon-GI-l'nd, speaking your own form of gibberish.
Yes, it's a tricky one.
On one hand everyone knows that Safin always addresses to Spanish/Portugese umpires in Spanish. Safin's Spanish is way better than his English. He also (me thinks) regards it as a matter of courtesy to the person to use the language that person is most comfortable with, (as far as Safin could guess.)
On the other hand he puts an umpire in a very awkward position, since the other player may only guess what they are talking about. Basically there are three persons involved in the game and it really is a bit rude to choose one language which only two of them understand. I think every umpire would much prefer this kind of exchanges to be open for all involved.
Having said that, on that particular occasion Safin was pi$$ed off with Hewitt bullying linesmen and might have thought that it would be too provoking to say it in English.
Then again there are no rules nor any partucular ethiquette about using different languages on court, and the idea that everyone should always speak English may seem ridiculous to the players from non-English speaking countries.
Again Safin might have been so nervous and tense he just started talking Spanish withought giving it a thought.
And who knows maybe they met the day before somewhere in the pub and the umpire greeted him in Spanish.
And bear in mind that what Safin allows himself shouting in Russian during the match may be much more offensive for some viewers that any Spanish conversation.
And to make it all short - this is all so insignificant and pointless, we should not reaaly disscuss it here.;-)
On one hand everyone knows that Safin always addresses to Spanish/Portugese umpires in Spanish. Safin's Spanish is way better than his English. He also (me thinks) regards it as a matter of courtesy to the person to use the language that person is most comfortable with, (as far as Safin could guess.)
On the other hand he puts an umpire in a very awkward position, since the other player may only guess what they are talking about. Basically there are three persons involved in the game and it really is a bit rude to choose one language which only two of them understand. I think every umpire would much prefer this kind of exchanges to be open for all involved.
Having said that, on that particular occasion Safin was pi$$ed off with Hewitt bullying linesmen and might have thought that it would be too provoking to say it in English.
Then again there are no rules nor any partucular ethiquette about using different languages on court, and the idea that everyone should always speak English may seem ridiculous to the players from non-English speaking countries.
Again Safin might have been so nervous and tense he just started talking Spanish withought giving it a thought.
And who knows maybe they met the day before somewhere in the pub and the umpire greeted him in Spanish.
And bear in mind that what Safin allows himself shouting in Russian during the match may be much more offensive for some viewers that any Spanish conversation.
And to make it all short - this is all so insignificant and pointless, we should not reaaly disscuss it here.;-)
Phil, speaking to you foreign friends in their native language may be either flattering or arrogant, depending on situation. If they start speaking English - do not switch to their language if you know it well. They might think that you do not like their English and think that your {Spanish} is better. It will be even worse if your {Spanish} is not 100 per cent. But if you are the first to choose the language and speak fluent - go for their native one - they will be impressed and flattered. Well? that's obvious, sorry if it looks like a lesson.
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splink779
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I think it is awesome when people (not just tennis players) can communicate in another language, especially fluently. I have tons of respect for something like that. It was cool when Safin busted out his spanish, and it was clear that he was much more fluent in spanish than english. I remember Courier knew fluent french and I know Fed knows 4 languages or something. I think Coria and Nadal need to learn some more english.
AAAA
Hall of Fame
Safin was playing Hewitt in Australia in front of a mostly Austrialian crowd. If Safin was voicing a complaint about Hewitt to the umpire do you think he was being dumb by using a language the majority of the crowd couldn't understand?
The umpire was Portuguese. Was Safin speaking Portuguese?
The umpire was Portuguese. Was Safin speaking Portuguese?
Saito
Professional
purely my opinion
hey guys,
Just wanted to add my two cents in.... when I met Marat down here during tennis masters we spoke right away with each other in Spanish. He seemed to be very well spoken in it as well so..... I didn't hear him speak English so I have now say as to whether or not it is good. Flame this if you want (no harm done
) but this is just my opinion. It's not like I don't understand what you are saying..... just that I can say that his Spanish is excellent. :lol:
hey guys,
Just wanted to add my two cents in.... when I met Marat down here during tennis masters we spoke right away with each other in Spanish. He seemed to be very well spoken in it as well so..... I didn't hear him speak English so I have now say as to whether or not it is good. Flame this if you want (no harm done
) but this is just my opinion. It's not like I don't understand what you are saying..... just that I can say that his Spanish is excellent. :lol:
Phil
Hall of Fame
bb47 said:
No apologies necessary for your "lesson". It's a judgement call, really. If you speak Spanish (or any language) WELL, but your friend chooses to start off the conversation in English, then of course you stay with English. And if YOU start the conversation in your friend's native language, that's really the language that should follow, and in most cases, your friends APPRECIATE the opportunity to speak with a foreigner who is conversant in their language. I haven't offended anyone yet by following these simple rules. And don't forget, ettiquette has to work BOTH ways. I've followed this rule of thumb for many years and find that it works. International communication/cultural exchange is as much about common sense as it is about knowledge of the language/culture.
arosen
Hall of Fame
That portugese official and Safin have known each other since Safin was training in Spain as a juniour. In other words, they have known each other forever. Why on earh would Safin want to speak English to him? Especially given the fact that his English is poor and in the moments of anguish like the one in question he would much rather express himself in a language that he knows best. Its a psychological issue, all of us under pressure would speak the language we know best. If Safin could speak Russian, he would, but noone can speak it on tour except for the players. Spanish was a natural choice. Case closed.
This has to be the stupidest topic ive ever seen. How was Safin showing off?
Jesus he freaking talked to the chair umpire in SPANISH. A LANGUAGE that Safin is BEST at. Tell me how the hell is he showing off when hes simply trying to communicate in a language he can speak very well?
Don't troll about stupid things.
Jesus he freaking talked to the chair umpire in SPANISH. A LANGUAGE that Safin is BEST at. Tell me how the hell is he showing off when hes simply trying to communicate in a language he can speak very well?
Don't troll about stupid things.
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
Well, I guess that damn Jim Courier should be slapped in irons for addressing the French in French when he won the French the second time. The French, known for their hospitality to Americans, were just being overly polite when they gave him a standing ovation for addressing them in French. And then, Courier had the nerve to address them in French again the next year when he lost to Bruguera! Again, they were overly polite.
Ilie Nastase was warned about using English and vulgar language. He respected that and began a verbal assault of his opponent in Italian. Only problem was, his opponent was Italian.
Safin dares to have a conversation with a guy from Portugal in Spanish? Why in the world would two people who spoke Spanish fluently speak it to each other? They should always use a language that they don't know just to show that they are not showing off. I too am outraged. He should have spoken to the man in Portuguese. Never mind that Portugal and Spain border each other and that Safin spent most of his life in Spain. Never mind that had Safin complained in English he'd have probably turned the crowd against him. I was up close to Safin at Indian Wells, the guy's English is fluent as well. From what I understand, he speaks 5 languages fluently.
On the flip side, Safin was not showing off his oratory skills, rather his tennis. I think he did just fine.
Ilie Nastase was warned about using English and vulgar language. He respected that and began a verbal assault of his opponent in Italian. Only problem was, his opponent was Italian.
Safin dares to have a conversation with a guy from Portugal in Spanish? Why in the world would two people who spoke Spanish fluently speak it to each other? They should always use a language that they don't know just to show that they are not showing off. I too am outraged. He should have spoken to the man in Portuguese. Never mind that Portugal and Spain border each other and that Safin spent most of his life in Spain. Never mind that had Safin complained in English he'd have probably turned the crowd against him. I was up close to Safin at Indian Wells, the guy's English is fluent as well. From what I understand, he speaks 5 languages fluently.
On the flip side, Safin was not showing off his oratory skills, rather his tennis. I think he did just fine.
Nosoupforyou
Rookie
Rickson's just pissed off at Safin for beating Federer. This was his best attempt to discredit Safin.
verdasco67
Professional
stupid thread
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Deleted member 3771
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'sickening' ? How can something as harmless as speaking another language, have such an impact on you?
verdasco67
Professional
TheNatural said:
yeah...i mean whats the problem? theres nothing wrong with speaking spanish with the umpire...weird...
verdasco67
Professional
Rickson said:
i dont get why you care so much about him speaking spanish......i mean who cares...?
Rickson
G.O.A.T.
Roger's from Switzerland and he's playing in front of a French crowd. Marat was playing in front of Australians. Marat had no reason whatsoever to carry on a Spanish conversation with a Portuguese official other than to show off. Roger will probably give his championship speech in English and French.Rabbit said:
Power Game
Professional
Rickson said:
Ok, because you know exactly what he was thinking. :roll: Showing off during a huge match, I mean, It's not like he as any talent or tennis skills that he has been showing off or anything :roll:
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
fedRickson said:
The conversation that I saw Marat have with the chair was subdued. He was trying not to draw attention to himself as that would draw the ire of the crowd. Your insistence that he was showing off is really more sour grapes that he pulled out a can of whoop ass on Federer. Face it, Federer will lose again, and more than once; possibly more than once in the same month!
And again, I predict that a player from South America will win the French this year. Either that or Tim Henman will finally end his drought !
rhubarb said:
Then I guess the real question here is.....if Federer plays a match at the French and he has a German umpire and he speaks to the German umpire in German, would he then be showing off as well? Or should Federer speak to the German umpire in a language that neither of them are comfortable with just to prove that he's not as fluent in every language thereby not showing off?
chad shaver
Semi-Pro
Rickson,
I speak Spanish as well, and my Spanish speaking friends have NEVER been offended by my Spanish.
Regarding everything else you said: I always thought you were a bit tweaked, but THIS takes it to a new level.
I speak Spanish as well, and my Spanish speaking friends have NEVER been offended by my Spanish.
Regarding everything else you said: I always thought you were a bit tweaked, but THIS takes it to a new level.
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