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A trivia question for historians
Sampras had a career head-to-head against
Wayne Ferreira of 7-6
Michael Stich of 4-5
However neither Wayne or Michael ever beat Agassi
Wayne is 0-11
Michael is 0-6
So were there any players who never beat Sampras after several attempts but had winning or virtually even h-2-h records with Agassi after several matches? Make sure they have played both Agassi and Sampras at least a couple of times like at least 5 so that they've played enough for patterns to emerge and to iron out special circumstances like injuries, off-form days, freak weather conditions, surface advantages, etc.
Maybe you can check up "Lendl"...
Lendl had a closer Head-Head with Sampras 3-5. If you ignore the last 2 matches due to age difference, Lendl aging & lost these 2 matches, the matchup will be 3-3.
But if you look at Agassi, Head-Head with Agassi is 6-2. If you ignore the last 2 matches due to age difference, Lendl aging & lost these 2 matches, the matchup will be 6-0.
Lendl has problems facing an all court player like Sampras & Becker as compared to Agassi who plays a baseline game. Lendl himself is like a ruthless machine, looks like darth vader, super-fit, super-consistent, most powerful groundstrokes and serves for his era. So a young inexperience impatient Agassi does not have a chance with Lendl's meticulous stroke play.
Now Agassi at age 35 is playing a similar style to Lendl's prime except that Agassi has a better return and takes the ball on the rise, but Agassi now plays a meticulous game, very consistent and always strategising his moves and playing power groundstrokes like Lendl.
Agassi match up well with Ferreira and Stich is because basically Agassi was able to return anybody's serve with pinpoint accuracy and he hits the ball on the rise, giving all his opponents problems. The way Agassi at his peak was exactly the same as a dominating Hewitt who took out Sampras at the US open finals. The reason why Sampras was the only one that Agassi had problems with was because Sampras' serve had lots of disguise, lots of pace, the best serve ever in this sport and Sampras could back his serve with his volleys that were World-class. Sampras' volleying technique need not be as good as Edberg or Rafter or Cash but because his serve was so damaging, Agassi's returns were not as deadly as compared to when Agassi plays other opponents. So Sampras could knock out Agassi's returns easily and Agassi has difficulties playing Sampras who has the best serve, followed by efficient volleying - double attack combination that is the best in the business, the only player that Agassi faced that has this lethal combination. Agassi has no problems returning Stich, Ferreira, Edberg, Becker's serves, so his returns are lethal against them. Agassi has problems playing the best of the extreme styled players (Sampras, Federer - best all court player) & Lendl, Courier, Federer (better baseliners than himself), and he will rip the rest of the spectrum of players who are not the best in their style of play.
Wayne Ferreira is like our modern Kiefer. He is highly consistent, good at both wings, not afraid of Sampras, good passing shots when Sampras is at the net.
Ferreira beat Sampras twice on carpet in 1995 when Sampras was in his prime. Grass is faster than Hard courts. Hard courts is faster than carpet???
Grass is faster than carpet??? Fastest : Grass -> Hard -> Carpet -> Clay Slowest ??? Is the order correct???
Sampras does not seem to like players who are all rounded like himself or can volley competently like himself. Sampras does not have a good record against Ferreira is an all court player and he had problems with Stich, Krajicek, Edberg & Becker (minus last 2 losses due to age gap) are all courters & competent Serve & Volleyers. But Sampras will have a good record of players who are primarily baseliners like Agassi, Moya, Courier, Chang (12-3 after losing 1st 5 matches).
So it's all about matchup...
Looking at the problems faced by Lendl, Sampras, Agassi. It started me thinking that what Federer said is true. Federer is downright honest about how players can beat him.
In order to beat Federer, 3 similar things to note:
i) Lendl's weakness is that he has difficulties playing players that has a well all rounded game like Becker, Sampras, who have big serves, big groundstrokes, good volleys. But Mcenroe only has good volleys and his serve and groundstrokes could not hurt Lendl much, that's why Lendl dominated Mcenroe....Federer may have difficulties playing against all court players. And since he is not tested by any great all courter, it's hard to develop into a an all court player overnight. The only player that has a chance to fall into this category is Gasquet.
ii)If part i) is hard to achieve, then players should go for Agassi's weakness...
In order to beat Federer, you must play your ultimate best like Roddick in the 1st set of Wimbledon 2004 blasting away on all cylinders & blasting serves, Safin's mind, body & soul in Australian Open 2005. A player like Nadal is also the best baseliner on clay, so that's why Federer has problems with Nadal in French Open 2005. Keep working on your strengths until you are the best baseliner, or best volleyer, or best server, or best tactician, best in your style of play. Santoro is the best in his style of play with weird strokes, spin, angles, that's why he gave Federer problems during the US open. Kiefer must be also doing something right (maybe giving no pace to his shots, etc) but he has not perfected his style of play, that's why he gotten a set each time from Federer. Agassi & Hewitt are gotten a set because of Agassi's return of serve (best) and Hewitt's tenacity & hustling (one of the best) but still they are either old or have not perfected their styles. Henman, Dent has no chance against Federer because they are getting old or no stamina or have not perfected their S&V techniques. In short, be the best in what you do.
Best serve, best groundstrokes, best volleys, best S&V, best hustler, best tenacity, best mentally, etc..
iii) Sampras' weakness also like Lendl's: all court players who can S&V competently. But Sampras has more difficulties with the S&V aspect because Krajicek, Stich, Edberg are primarily S&V players. If new and upcoming players can model their styles with Krajicek, Stich, Edberg, Rafter (3-0 vs Federer) they may have a good chance of beating Federer or hanging with him.
To conclude, if those players chasing Federer can alternate between an all-court game with a 100% S&V game to see which type of play affects Federer and perfect that particular style of play, then they have a good chance of beating Federer. But if nobody can play all-court game or S&V game, then develop the baseline game until it is better than Federer.
But the whole trouble with tactics I, II, III is that Federer has already mastered tactics I & II and he is currently developing & fine-tuning tactic III.