Should Roddick have been defaulted?

[Moose Malloy]

When he yelled "**** you" at the umpire? The code violation system is a 3 step system (warning, point penalty, default) But umpires are allowed to bypass it if a player goes too far(& Agassi was actually defaulted in '96 without first getting a point penalty)

I generally have no problem with audible obscenities in tennis if they aren't directed toward anyone(or if they are said so quietly that no one hears it)
But no one should be allowed to get away with something so blatant. Even Pmac said "Andy's lucky he only got a warning."
In the NBA, no player would be allowed to get away with something so blatant. They would get tossed. The officials in that sport generally have more of a spine & don't take anything from players. It's understandable in an individual sport for players to get more leeway(because a default would result in the match ending, fans would be upset etc)

I also thought it was bad form for Andy to continue to yell at the umpire on the changeover after he got away with one. The umpire should have said, "I could have defaulted you, so stop whining."
Frank Hammond(anyone remember him?) told Nastase/Connors stuff like that all the time in the 70s. and both players respected an umpire who stood up for himself.

 

[Max G.]

I don't think so - three-step system works fine... Roddick got up to the point penalty, if he'd done anything else he'd have been defaulted.

 

[Moose Malloy]

So Max, it's OK for every player to say "**** you" to officials, because all they will get is a warning?
Wonder if Andreev would have gotten away with that.
Saying "****" to yourself is one thing. Or while arguing saying, "that was a bad ****ing call." But to say "**** you?"

I mentioned the Agassi example, there is a precedent. And he was a star who could get away with anything.

 

[armand]

Yes Roddick should have been defaulted. To put him out of his misery!
That was ugly!

 

[Deleted member 6835]

So Max, it's OK for every player to say "**** you" to officials, because all they will get is a warning?
Wonder if Andreev would have gotten away with that.
Saying "****" to yourself is one thing. Or while arguing saying, "that was a bad ****ing call." But to say "**** you?"

I mentioned the Agassi example, there is a precedent. And he was a star who could get away with anything.

i agree with your part about roddick, should've been defaulted, but your wrong about agassi

 

[Moose Malloy]

i agree with your part about roddick, should've been defaulted, but your wrong about agassi

What am I wrong about? Agassi was defaulted at Indianapolis '96 without first receiving a point penalty. He said FU & was tossed.

 

[Tchocky]

Fergus Murphy like most of the umpires are douchebags that are too scared to stand up to the top players. In addition, Roddick was the crowd favorite and defaulting Roddick could have antagonized the crowd. I think Andy apologized to Fergus after the match....I know he shook hands.

 

[MonkeyPox]

Spoiled brat millionaires. No pity for them. I couldn't say something like that even to my opponent in a USTA tournament match. Ridiculous.

 

[Tchocky]

If Roddick had been defaulted, then wouldn't that void all the sets betting?
I had 10 dimes on Blake over Haas but my wager was voided because Haas retired in the 2nd set. Haas owes me $1,130.00

 

[Frodo Baggins]

if I was The umpire, I wouldv'e said> Andy This is a Warning-Swear at me Again And You can pack your stuff And Get out!!!(The chair Umpire needs to be more Aggressive at the players and not let them Walk all over them.

 

[baseliner]

Definitely should have been defaulted. Does anyone think if Johnny Mac or Connors had been defaulted as juniors they would have turned into the terrors they became as tour players? (Notice I did not call them adults). The chair umpire has the authority to default in egregious cases. What more egregious case than using the "F" word to the chair? Unfortunately there is a double standard for the stars. Sponsors want the names in the tourney so they can draw good crowds. Had it been someone ranked #300 in the world, the match would have been over. If ARod keeps losing to no names he won't get star treatment much longer.

 

[Moose Malloy]

Definitely should have been defaulted. Does anyone think if Johnny Mac or Connors had been defaulted as juniors they would have turned into the terrors they became as tour players?

I doubt they behaved the same way as juniors. But if they had been defaulted once early in their pro careers, they may have behaved differently(but I doubt it) They were so big the tournament ref would have come out & rescinded the default. They always knew what they could get away with, even though they pushed the line in their minds they thought they weren't close to default. Amazing, Mac was only defaulted once & that was near the end of his career(1990 Australian)

 

[devila]

He knows he's a big choker and that he can't do anything in tennis except make money and act sweet for the charities/sponsors. His family and Pat McEnroe coddled him (even cheated for Roddick to bring him a DC match victory).

 

[devila]

Fergus robbed Roddick in the Indiana match when Ginepri served the ball 2 inches out. No shock.

 

[Bertchel Banks]

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[Double K]

The ref was a wimp, ATP should fine Roddick

 

[superman1]

I'm incredibly surprised that he wasn't fined for that. Audible obscenity is an understatement. That was a screamed obscenity that anyone watching the match would have heard. And it wasn't directed at himself, as most of these obscenities are, it was directed at everyone but himself. The umpire, Andreev, everyone watching. It was said in that angry type of way that someone would say it right before a fistfight. You get fined for cracking a racquet but not for screaming out and scaring the hell out of the umpire and your opponent? I felt bad for Andreev. The guy hits a great winner and his opponent screams "**** YOU"?

 

[shawn1122]

I'm incredibly surprised that he wasn't fined for that. Audible obscenity is an understatement. That was a screamed obscenity that anyone watching the match would have heard. And it wasn't directed at himself, as most of these obscenities are, it was directed at everyone but himself. The umpire, Andreev, everyone watching. It was said in that angry type of way that someone would say it right before a fistfight. You get fined for cracking a racquet but not for screaming out and scaring the hell out of the umpire and your opponent? I felt bad for Andreev. The guy hits a great winner and his opponent screams "**** YOU"?

^^^ lmao

 

[arosen]

So Max, it's OK for every player to say "**** you" to officials, because all they will get is a warning?
Wonder if Andreev would have gotten away with that.
Saying "****" to yourself is one thing.

Good point. This is star power bullcrap at its best. Davidenko or Malisse or Andreev would have been kicked out for that. Gaudio or Shalken have been defaulted for much, much less than that.

 

[rommil]

Roddick never learns. I thought he would be more mature than this but he is still carrying on like a little brat with his complaints. He should learn to vent and then let go of it. In answer to the question, no it was fine that they carried on with the match. There was nothing more satisfying than seeing Andy self destruct.

 

[Andres]

if I was The umpire, I wouldv'e said> Andy This is a Warning-Swear at me Again And You can pack your stuff And Get out!!!(The chair Umpire needs to be more Aggressive at the players and not let them Walk all over them.

Naturally, in a hobbit-language no-one could understand. Roddick would swear at you even more.

 

[superman1]

I've screamed out on a few tennis courts when I was younger, maybe scared a few people nearby, so I can understand how high your pulse can get on that court when nothing is going right...but Roddick is a pro, it was on national television, so at the very least he should have apologized in the press conference.

 

[quest01]

I thought it was funny when Roddick yelled FU after losing the point. I think its great for the game of tennis. Fans want to see emotion displayed on the court. Its great from a business perspective. This is the kind of behavior that will improve tennis ratings in the US. We need more of this.

 

[PureCarlosMoyaDrive]

Wait, so since he got a warning for the obscenity, did he get a point penalty for the racquet smash in the 3rd set?

The umps do have to be more powerful, they cower in the face of Roddick yelling at them, and I bet if the umps got some balls and finally defaulted a huge star on TV on a major staduim with everyone watching, other players would get the point and harsher punishments would be instigated by the ATP.

I'm not necessarily against tennis players showing emotion, but what Roddick did was straight ruggid, screaming at the ump. The tournament really couldn't have been mad at Fergus if he at least went straight to a point penalty.

 

[framebreaker]

i can't stand roddick. but when he said "f you" he did not look at the referee.
so it is not clear whehter it was directed at the referee. had he looked the referee in the face and said that he would have been defaulted.

 

[omniexist]

Guys, lighten up. Roddick was frustrated. Fine him? Yes. Default him? No.

That little slip boosted the ratings I'm sure.

 

[Onion]

Wait, so since he got a warning for the obscenity, did he get a point penalty for the racquet smash in the 3rd set?

Yes he did. Next game started out 15-0 before a ball was in play.

I thought Roddick should have been defaulted for the obscenity directed at the umpire. However, to be honest, that's only because I dislike Roddick. Had James Blake done the same thing, I'd say give him a warning. I like Blake.

I think a lot of this discussion is just as biased as the ump giving in to star power. A lot of you wanted Roddick DQ'd because you don't like him much in the first place.

As close as it was to the end of the match and Roddick losing (and him ending up losing thankfully), I think it was handled fairly. I wouldn't want to see his opponent stripped of a clean win over Roddick. Had Roddick rallied and won, I might see it differently.

But in the end, Roddick got what was commin to him and lost. So who cares how he ended up there?

 

[Roger is Boring]

AH ha ha haa! that **** u comment arod made was hilarious!~thats good for tennis. roddick is very good for tennis viewship. We need more guys who spill thier guts like this than all these phonies who cant keep it real (fed,agassi,ect).

 

[BattleAxe]

I agree with Roger is Boring and Quest. People like watching Roddick because we can all relate to him. If he is sucking, he yells and screams just like most of us all do on the courts. Watching someone who plays with no emotions is NOT fun.

Personally, I like seeing him slamming and/or smashing rackets, cussing, yelling, etc. That's entertainment at it's best. You can't deny that. And really, that's all the pros are to the general public. A source of entertainment.