Slam count isn't everything

[Anaconda]

Lol at "weaker competition". Like Djokovic is facing a bunch of world-beaters now. And no, past-retirement-age Federer isn't tough competition.

AO 04 - Safin dead tired
W 05 - Pusher Roddick
AO 06 - Baghdathis? Lolololol
W 06 - Baby Nadal
AO 07 - Gonzalez
US 08 - baby Murray....Seriously??? That guy had 0 weapons back then
FO 09 - avoids Nadal
AO 2010 - Pusher Murray




Meanwhile, Djokovic had to go through Nadal, Federer, Wawrinka, a prime Murray amongst other players to win his slams, Federer could barely beat Nadal at Wimbledon let alone the other majors. Trust me, if Federer had Djokovic's draws at the majors, he wouldn't have won nearly as many as Djokovic has won. Hewitt was the only guy who played to his full potential during 04/05 - Safin got injured, Roddick got extremely passive and Nalbandian was chilling, Nadal was already great on clay but not so on the other surfaces.







But hey, Baghdathis is clearly tougher competition than Nadal at AO.......












Also, change your username. 18 slams is not happening. Not on Djokovic's watch!

 

[The_18th_Slam]

AO 04 - Safin dead tired
W 05 - Pusher Roddick
AO 06 - Baghdathis? Lolololol
W 06 - Baby Nadal
AO 07 - Gonzalez
US 08 - baby Murray....Seriously??? That guy had 0 weapons back then
FO 09 - avoids Nadal
AO 2010 - Pusher Murray




Meanwhile, Djokovic had to go through Nadal, Federer, Wawrinka, a prime Murray amongst other players to win his slams, Federer could barely beat Nadal at Wimbledon let alone the other majors. Trust me, if Federer had Djokovic's draws at the majors, he wouldn't have won nearly as many as Djokovic has won. Hewitt was the only guy who played to his full potential during 04/05 - Safin got injured, Roddick got extremely passive and Nalbandian was chilling, Nadal was already great on clay but not so on the other surfaces.







But hey, Baghdathis is clearly tougher competition than Nadal at AO.......

2008 AO: Mono Federer, Tsonga
2011 AO: Old Federer, Choker Murray
2011 Wimbledon: Mental midget Nadal
2011 USO: Old Federer, mental midget Nadal
2012 AO: Mental midget Nadal
2013 AO: Fluke title, gifted to him because of a bad line call
2014 Wimbledon: Senile Federer
2015 AO: Choker Murray
2015 Wimbledon: Senile Federer
2015 USO: Senile Federer

See, I can do it, too.

 

[ScentOfDefeat]

4 slam titles lol.

Well I think it makes sense... Think about it this way. He won on a specific surface that is quite unlike the surfaces played the entire rest of the year. Shouldn't the GOAT Tennis player be a master of all surfaces, and not just REALLY good at one, then kind of good at the rest? Novak's game translates to all the surfaces very well, same with roger. Nadal's is like specifically designed for the clay. But that's only one out of four majors. You take out roger's grass and he has ten majors still. You take out rafa's clay and he has five.
Do you see what I'm trying to say? The GOAT tennis player should be more than like a freak gimmick player. He should be a master of the game, not a specific shot pattern that just fundamentally screwed over his best competition in roger, yet consistently year after year loses to "lesser" players in other majors.

That's the illusion of completeness. The GOAT tennis player should also win in every era of the game, on all surfaces and against all opponents, past, present and future.

 

[Jaitock1991]

Of course it's not. It's the only thing that matters.

 

[Anaconda]

2008 AO: Mono Federer, Tsonga
2011 AO: Old Federer, Choker Murray
2011 Wimbledon: Mental midget Nadal
2011 USO: Old Federer, mental midget Nadal
2012 AO: Mental midget Nadal
2013 AO: Fluke title, gifted to him because of a bad line call
2014 Wimbledon: Senile Federer
2015 AO: Choker Murray
2015 Wimbledon: Senile Federer
2015 USO: Senile Federer

See, I can do it, too.

Except, Nadal in 2011-2012 was still causing problems for Federer, and in fact has always been causing problems for Federer. So already Federer wouldn't have won three of those slams which Djokovic won.


Nadal a mental midget? Come again?



Choker Murray? The same choker Murray which Federer beat at AO 2010?? (which I forgot to mention)



At the end of the day, Djokovic has beaten more impressive players than Federer has.

 

[Jaitock1991]

2008 AO: Mono Federer, Tsonga
2011 AO: Old Federer, Choker Murray
2011 Wimbledon: Mental midget Nadal
2011 USO: Old Federer, mental midget Nadal
2012 AO: Mental midget Nadal
2013 AO: Fluke title, gifted to him because of a bad line call
2014 Wimbledon: Senile Federer
2015 AO: Choker Murray
2015 Wimbledon: Senile Federer
2015 USO: Senile Federer

See, I can do it, too.

Hahaha.

 

[Gazelle]

Except, Nadal in 2011-2012 was still causing problems for Federer, and in fact has always been causing problems for Federer. So already Federer wouldn't have won three of those slams which Djokovic won.


Nadal a mental midget? Come again?



Choker Murray? The same choker Murray which Federer beat at AO 2010?? (which I forgot to mention)



At the end of the day, Djokovic has beaten more impressive players than Federer has.

Against Djok in 2011 he kinda was. After Wimby loss: "I'll have to quickly find solution or else I will lose next final against Djokovic too". He basically resigned to losing against Djokovic that year. Only after Djok went AWOL with death of his grandpa, Nadal pounced and changed dynamics of their rivalry.

 

[cknobman]

Well of course slam count isnt everything, especially considering Djokovic is 7 shy of tying the record.

 

[The_Order]

Lol at "weaker competition". Like Djokovic is facing a bunch of world-beaters now. And no, past-retirement-age Federer isn't tough competition.

Agassi was Federer's biggest threat at US Open at age 34-35.

And no, Djokovic isn't facing world beaters at all. As you say, Fed is quite old in tennis terms and Nadal has fallen off the radar. Not to mention Murray isn't as good as he used to be either and Wawrinka is very hot and cold.

But we also can't expect competition to be at an ultimate peak for the duration of their careers. Nadal had softer competition in 2010 too and he cleaned up 3 majors as well. Just that Fed had 4 years of soft competition where he won 11 majors in those 4 years. Safin had to play his best to beat him and apart form that, young Nadal was his biggest threat across the majors.

 

[The_Order]

2008 AO: Mono Federer, Tsonga
2011 AO: Old Federer, Choker Murray
2011 Wimbledon: Mental midget Nadal
2011 USO: Old Federer, mental midget Nadal
2012 AO: Mental midget Nadal
2013 AO: Fluke title, gifted to him because of a bad line call
2014 Wimbledon: Senile Federer
2015 AO: Choker Murray
2015 Wimbledon: Senile Federer
2015 USO: Senile Federer

See, I can do it, too.

Nadal was definitely not a mental midget in AO12. Murray in the SF too was really tough.

Also old Federer >>> peak Hewitt and Roddick

Same as "mental midget" Nadal.

Hewitt and Roddick don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as guys like Roger, Rafa and Novak when it comes to tennis greatness...

 

[tennisaddict]

Fair enough but personally I don't think he'd need to even do that much. For me, 13 slams without RG + 5YE#1 + 5 WTF would be better than 14 slams including the Career Slam + 3 YE#1 + 0 WTF.

You cannot equate comparison at lower tiers ( Agassi vs Lendl) with comparison at higher tiers (Rafa vs Novak)

If Novak does not get the FO at 14, rest assured , everyone is going to cite that as a gaping hole in his resume as compared to Rafa. ( Just like Pete vs Rafa)

 

[Anaconda]

Nadal was definitely not a mental midget in AO12. Murray in the SF too was really tough.

Also old Federer >>> peak Hewitt and Roddick

Same as "mental midget" Nadal.

Hewitt and Roddick don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as guys like Roger, Rafa and Novak when it comes to tennis greatness...

Actually, whilst i agree with most of this, Roddick at W04 was a very scary tennis player. Roddick was able to beat Djokovic and Nadal a few times after his 03/04 seasons playing aggressive tennis, he would definitely have chances against them at Wimbledon 04 playing like that.


Yeah, I don't buy this 'Nadal was mentally unstable' thing either. I think it's the last retreat for the Fed fans to be honest.

 

[randomtoss]

Well of course slam count isnt everything, especially considering Djokovic is 7 shy of tying the record.

This. The efforts made by some posters to twist reality in order to have Djoko in front of Feder are amazing, and pathetic. If your guy is that good, he will get there eventually, there's no need to make total idiots of yourselves by creating such absurd threads again and again.

 

[RF20Lennon]

I would put Novak over Rafa at 15 slams (one of them being an FO) as he has 4 WTF's and way more weeks at #1. And by default he would be above Sampras.

 

[RF20Lennon]

Nadal was definitely not a mental midget in AO12. Murray in the SF too was really tough.

Also old Federer >>> peak Hewitt and Roddick

Same as "mental midget" Nadal.

Hewitt and Roddick don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as guys like Roger, Rafa and Novak when it comes to tennis greatness...

I think Hewitt honestly isn't given much credit around here. Peak Hewitt really played some AMAZING tennis. 2001 US Open Hewitt for example. He blew Sampras off the court who was playing some inspired tennis. I think injuries ruined him. I'm not saying he's as great as the other three but the man could play big!

I think 2001 Hewitt might have also beaten this Federer in the USO final.

 

[Djokovic2011]

[QUOTE="The_18th_Slam, post: 9664804, member: 7And no, past-retirement-age Federer isn't tough competition.[/QUOTE]
Try telling that to Novak whenever they play! Somehow I don't think he'd agree with you.

 

[RF20Lennon]

Except, Nadal in 2011-2012 was still causing problems for Federer, and in fact has always been causing problems for Federer. So already Federer wouldn't have won three of those slams which Djokovic won.


Nadal a mental midget? Come again?



Choker Murray? The same choker Murray which beat Federer at AO 2010?? (which I forgot to mention)



At the end of the day, Djokovic has beaten more impressive players than Federer has.

Your tennis history is pretty bad. Federer straight setted Murray in that year to claim his 16th.

 

[Djokovic2011]

You cannot equate comparison at lower tiers ( Agassi vs Lendl) with comparison at higher tiers (Rafa vs Novak)

Who says you can't?

 

[Djokovic2011]

I would put Novak over Rafa at 15 slams (one of them being an FO) as he has 4 WTF's and way more weeks at #1. And by default he would be above Sampras.

Why not 14 if he has RG by then babe?

 

[tennis_pro]

Wow this place has been contaminated by rubbish threads since the US Open final. If you have nothing interesting to share, don't share anything.

 

[Anaconda]

Your tennis history is pretty bad. Federer straight setted Murray in that year to claim his 16th.

Er, I know. What part of my post didn't you understand???

 

[RF20Lennon]

Why not 14 if he has RG by then babe?

You know people are going to dig up something like Olympics Singles Gold or Davis Cup

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Except, Nadal in 2011-2012 was still causing problems for Federer, and in fact has always been causing problems for Federer. So already Federer wouldn't have won three of those slams which Djokovic won.

Wow, are you a seer? Could you give me a list of all the lottery tickets I have to buy?

Nadal a mental midget? Come again?

"I gonna lose next final to Djokovic, no?" is not mental midget?

Choker Murray? The same choker Murray which Federer beat at AO 2010?? (which I forgot to mention)

Yes, the same. Just like pusher Roddick was the same one who dumped Djokovic, the defending champion, out of his favorite Slam in 2009.

At the end of the day, Djokovic has beaten more impressive players than Federer has.

Not Federer's fault Sampras retired in 2002. If he had played on till 2007, Federer would have had a lot more "impressive wins". But would his competition have been stronger? I don't think so.

 

[RF20Lennon]

Wow, are you a seer? Could you give me a list of all the lottery tickets I have to buy?


"I gonna lose next final to Djokovic, no?" is not mental midget?



Yes, the same. Just like pusher Roddick was the same one who dumped Djokovic, the defending champion, out of his favorite Slam in 2009.

Not Federer's fault Sampras retired in 2002. If he had played on till 2007, Federer would have had a lot more "impressive wins". But would his competition have been stronger? I don't think so.

You're also forgetting Sampras was better than ever before in 2002 because he said so!

 

[mattosgrant]

13 with RG and ahead of Federer? Seriously?

Even with RG he'd need at least 17 to equal Federer, and 18 to surpass him. Mainly because his achievements more or less coincide with Federer's.. which is why he wouldn't need as many to surpass Nadal (who has various holes in his resume) compared to Federer.

They probably will roughly coincide, but the tricky part is we dont know exactly how his non slam win achievements will compare with Federer exactly should he reach 16-18 unless/until he gets there. With Nadal we already know, as they are already superior. With Federer, it is more or less a rough guess.

However just projecting by his path now it would seem likely if he somehow plays well enough to reach 16-18 slams he will have more YE#1s than Fed (weeks is harder to say), many more Masters, as many or more YECs. What he probably will never have is 4 straight years of real dominance like Federer had. Both absolutely excel and battle for top honors in various consistency records.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Try telling that to Novak whenever they play! Somehow I don't think he'd agree with you.

I don't think Federer would agree about Hewitt, Roddick, and Safin being weak competition, either. I'm sure Djokovic wouldn't agree with it, either, seeing as how both Roddick and Safin have beaten Djokovic at Slams, even after he was a Slam-winner.

 

[Djokovic2011]

You know people are going to dig up something like Olympics Singles Gold or Davis Cup

Well I'd like to see them try! Novak also has the Davis Cup on his resume and not winning the WTF is a much bigger hole than not winning the Olympics which is only played every four years anyway.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I don't think Federer would agree about Hewitt, Roddick, and Safin being weak competition, either. I'm sure Djokovic wouldn't agree with it, either, seeing as how both Roddick and Safin have beaten Djokovic at Slams, even after he was a Slam-winner.

Fair enough babes.

 

[RF20Lennon]

Well I'd like to see them try! Novak also has the Davis Cup on his resume and not winning the WTF is a much bigger hole than not winning the Olympics which is only played every four years anyway.

Please! It's common knowledge that the main objective of playing tennis is winning Olympics Gold and maintaining a positive H2H (against Federer specifically).

Mickey Mouse tournaments like WTF where you have to play the best of the best and qualify don't matter.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Agassi was Federer's biggest threat at US Open at age 34-35.

Federer had Nadal on clay from 2005-2009. I'm sure you'd agree that that Nadal is better than 2014-2015 Nadal.

And no, Djokovic isn't facing world beaters at all. As you say, Fed is quite old in tennis terms and Nadal has fallen off the radar. Not to mention Murray isn't as good as he used to be either and Wawrinka is very hot and cold.

Exactly, which is why Djokovic can't be awarded two phantom Slams just because he wasn't good enough to get to 17.

But we also can't expect competition to be at an ultimate peak for the duration of their careers. Nadal had softer competition in 2010 too and he cleaned up 3 majors as well. Just that Fed had 4 years of soft competition where he won 11 majors in those 4 years. Safin had to play his best to beat him and apart form that, young Nadal was his biggest threat across the majors.

Exactly my point. There are peaks and valleys, but they tend to even out over a career. If Djokovic had it tough in the early part of his career, he has it easy now. If Federer had it easy in the early part of his career, he has it tough now. And Nadal has won most of his Slams on clay, where there are no multiple French Open champions outside of Nadal in many years. So Djokoviv doesn't get rewarded with phantom Slams. He has to go out there and win every one of them.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Nadal was definitely not a mental midget in AO12. Murray in the SF too was really tough.

Also old Federer >>> peak Hewitt and Roddick

Same as "mental midget" Nadal.

Hewitt and Roddick don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as guys like Roger, Rafa and Novak when it comes to tennis greatness...

Roddick and Hewitt are about the same level at Wimbledon and US Open as Djokovic is at the French Open, who has been Nadal's main Claycourt competition. And 9 of Nadal's 14 Slams come from the French Open. If Federer faced weak competition from 2004-2006, Nadal faced weak competition on clay.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Agassi was Federer's biggest threat at US Open at age 34-35.

And no, Djokovic isn't facing world beaters at all. As you say, Fed is quite old in tennis terms and Nadal has fallen off the radar. Not to mention Murray isn't as good as he used to be either and Wawrinka is very hot and cold.

But we also can't expect competition to be at an ultimate peak for the duration of their careers. Nadal had softer competition in 2010 too and he cleaned up 3 majors as well. Just that Fed had 4 years of soft competition where he won 11 majors in those 4 years. Safin had to play his best to beat him and apart form that, young Nadal was his biggest threat across the majors.

This. Unfortunately some people(yes @MichaelNadal I'm looking at you) think that unless Federer and Nadal are playing like it's 2008 all over again, your competition isn't worth a dime and the slams you enter might as well just be handed to you.

 

[RF20Lennon]

In 50 years do you people honestly think we'll be debating who played whom in the final or the semi? Numbers, stats and records are all the remain! So even if Garcia Lopez beats me in the final of the FO it still counts.

 

[roger presley]

Pete does not have career slam like Andre does.

And yet he's considered higher than Agassi.

 

[Anaconda]

Wow, are you a seer? Could you give me a list of all the lottery tickets I have to buy?

Your financial situation that bad that you a pinning your hopes on winning the lottery. I pity you.

"I gonna lose next final to Djokovic, no?" is not mental midget?

If Nadal is a mental midget, then what does that make Federer? I've never seen Nadal cry at a slam final, or throw in the towel in a fifth set (ala Federer AO 09). Nadal was the second most consistent player in 2011, and actually rised above it all to finall beat Djokovic in 2012. As opposed to Federer, who was never able to mentally step up after tough losses to Nadal. Nadal at least had a patch from FO 2012 - US 13 where he was back getting the 'w' against Djokovic (amid some losses). Federer however literally accepted he would never beat Nadal in a slam again after AO 2009.

Yes, the same. Just like pusher Roddick was the same one who dumped Djokovic, the defending champion, out of his favorite Slam in 2009.

As a big fan of both players, neither player were at their best during that time. Dubai 08 and US Open 2008 were better matches. Roddick was ok in 2009 (hence why he didn't make my list earlier in this thread of case examples of weak competition), but in 05 and 06 he sucked. Period.


Safin was tired at AO 2004, Nadal was only good on clay in 06, and Baghdathis is not on Wawrinka's or Murray's level.

Not Federer's fault Sampras retired in 2002. If he had played on till 2007, Federer would have had a lot more "impressive wins". But would his competition have been stronger? I don't think so.

I'm not even counting old age Federer as a 'better win'. They are good wins. His best wins have been against Nadal in the majors. Federer has beaten Nadal in the majors, twice I believe? Lol.



You seem angry that I feel beating prime Nadal and Murray is more impressive than beating Baghdathis or Gonzalez or pusher Roddick. Take a chill pill, relax, and absorb the reality that Djokovic could very well become the greatest ever, regardless of whether Federer was old. If Federer is allowed to get away with beating old age Agassi and zero weapons Hewitt, then Djokovic is surely able to get away with beating prime Nadal, Murray and Federer still playing at a decent level, as well as beating Wawrinka and JMDP (best of the rest).

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Actually, whilst i agree with most of this, Roddick at W04 was a very scary tennis player. Roddick was able to beat Djokovic and Nadal a few times after his 03/04 seasons playing aggressive tennis, he would definitely have chances against them at Wimbledon 04 playing like that.


Yeah, I don't buy this 'Nadal was mentally unstable' thing either. I think it's the last retreat for the Fed fans to be honest.

Okay, you want to talk about competition? Let's go:

Djokovic:
5 Australian Open titles:
2008 was against mono Federer
2011 was against choker Murray
2012 was against 0-time champion Murray and 1-time champion Nadal
2013 was a fluke, gifted to him because of a bad line call
2015: Choker Murray

0 French Open titles:
LOL

3 Wimbledon titles:
2011 was against a reeling Nadal. No more impressive (actually less so) than 2007 Nadal
2014 was against a near 33-year-old Federer. Need I say more?
2015 was against a near 34-year-old Federer. LOL

2 US Open titles:
2011 was against a 30-year-old Federer and 2-time champion Nadal
2015 was against a 34-year-old Federer. LOL


I count, I don't know, 2 Slams against what you'd call "strong competition".



Nadal:
1 Australian Open title:
2009 was against prime Federer. Yes, impressive

9 French Open titles:
His biggest competition at the French Open was 1-time champion Federer at first, and 0-time champion Djokovic later on. If 1-time US Open champions like Hewitt and Roddick are weak competition for Federer at the US Open, or even Wimbledon, Federer and Djokovic are certainly weak competition for Nadal at the French Open. Same logic.

2 Wimbledon titles:
2008 was against prime Federer. Yes, impressive
2010 was against Berdych. LOL

2 US Open titles:
2010 was against a Djokovic that had only just beaten a top 10 opponent for the first time in the year. An absolute joke.
2013 was against prime Djokovic. Yes, impressive.

I count 3 Slams against what you'd call strong competition.



Federer:
2004 Australian Open was against prime Hewitt, prime Nalbandian, prime Ferrero, and prime Safin
2007 Wimbledon against 2-time champion Nadal in his prime
2012 Wimbledon was against 3-time champion Djokovic in his prime and 1-time champion Murray in his prime

That's 3 Slams against what you'd call strong competition.

 

[tennisaddict]

Who says you can't?

I am saying . At lower levels, your resume is not expected to be complete. When you are talking about wanting to be an elite, it should be without gaps.

Are you not seeing how people diss Pete for his lack of FO even with his total domination of the field for the entire 1990's ?

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Your financial situation that bad that you a pinning your hopes on winning the lottery. I pity you.

Your English is that bad that you write that horrendousness? Actually, don't answer that.

If Nadal is a mental midget, then what does that make Federer?

A 17-time Slam champion.

I've never seen Nadal cry at a slam final

or throw in the towel in a fifth set (ala Federer AO 09).

Yeah, because he was too busy throwing in the towel in the fourth set (2011 US Open).

Nadal was the second most consistent player in 2011, and actually rised above it all to finall beat Djokovic in 2012.

And Federer is the second most consistent player in 2015. At the age of 34. What does that prove?

As opposed to Federer, who was never able to mentally step up after tough losses to Nadal. Nadal at least had a patch from FO 2012 - US 13 where he was back getting the 'w' against Djokovic (amid some losses). Federer however literally accepted he would never beat Nadal in a slam again after AO 2009.

Easy to step up when your rival is just 1 year younger. Harder to do when he's 5 years younger. Why didn't Sampras step up against Hewitt?

As a big fan of both players, neither player were at their best during that time. Dubai 08 and US Open 2008 were better matches. Roddick was ok in 2009 (hence why he didn't make my list earlier in this thread of case examples of weak competition), but in 05 and 06 he sucked. Period.

No1curr what you think. Facts are facts. Roddick dumped out defending champion Djokovic at his favorite Slam.

Safin was tired at AO 2004, Nadal was only good on clay in 06, and Baghdathis is not on Wawrinka's or Murray's level.

Federer was old past 2010, Nadal was never great shakes outside of clay after 2010, and Murray is a serial choker.

I'm not even counting old age Federer as a 'better win'. They are good wins. His best wins have been against Nadal in the majors. Federer has beaten Nadal in the majors, twice I believe? Lol.

Djokovic beat Nadal at Slams 4 times. Once this year, when Ferrer could have beaten Nadal at the French Open. That leaves 3 wins. Wow, 3 is so much better than 2!

You seem angry that I feel beating prime Nadal and Murray is more impressive than beating Baghdathis or Gonzalez or pusher Roddick. Take a chill pill

You seem depressed that Djokovic isn't good enough to get to 17 Slams. Take some medication and get over it.

If Federer is allowed to get away with beating old age Agassi and zero weapons Hewitt, then Djokovic is surely able to get away with beating prime Nadal, Murray and Federer still playing at a decent level, as well as beating Wawrinka and JMDP (best of the rest).

If Djokovic is allowed to get away with beating old-age Federer and choker Murray, Federer is surely able to get away with playing Nadal in Wimbledon and French Open finals, and multiple US Open champions like Agassi, Roddick, and Hewitt.

 

[pirateofthecarribean]

Federer:
2004 Australian Open was against prime Hewitt, prime Nalbandian, prime Ferrero, and prime Safin
2007 Wimbledon against 2-time champion Nadal in his prime
2012 Wimbledon was against 3-time champion Djokovic in his prime and 1-time champion Murray in his prime

That's 3 Slams against what you'd call strong competition.

Lleyton is nowhere NEAR as talented as Novak. He's on the same level as Andy. Novak is so talented he could hit DTL backhands. David is a mental midget. He is nowhere NEAR the level of Novak.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Lleyton is nowhere NEAR as talented as Novak. He's on the same level as Andy. Novak is so talented he could hit DTL backhands. David is a mental midget. He is nowhere NEAR the level of Novak.

Lol

 

[pirateofthecarribean]

Lol

I quote:

Djokovic began playing tennis at the age of four.[36] In the summer of 1993, the six-year-old was spotted by Yugoslav tennis player Jelena Genčić[37] at Mount Kopaonik, where Djokovic's parents ran a fast-food parlour.[38] Upon seeing Djokovic play tennis, she stated: "This is the greatest talent I have seen since Monika Seleš."[26]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak_Djokovic

 

[Anaconda]

Your English is that bad that you write that horrendousness? Actually, don't answer that.


A 17-time Slam champion.

Yeah, because he was too busy throwing in the towel in the fourth set (2011 US Open).

And Federer is the second most consistent player in 2015. At the age of 34. What does that prove?

Easy to step up when your rival is just 1 year younger. Harder to do when he's 5 years younger. Why didn't Sampras step up against Hewitt?


No1curr what you think. Facts are facts. Roddick dumped out defending champion Djokovic at his favorite Slam.


Federer was old past 2010, Nadal was never great shakes outside of clay after 2010, and Murray is a serial choker.


Djokovic beat Nadal at Slams 4 times. Once this year, when Ferrer could have beaten Nadal at the French Open. That leaves 3 wins. Wow, 3 is so much better than 2!


You seem depressed that Djokovic isn't good enough to get to 17 Slams. Take some medication and get over it.

If Djokovic is allowed to get away with beating old-age Federer and choker Murray, Federer is surely able to get away with playing Nadal in Wimbledon and French Open finals, and multiple US Open champions like Agassi, Roddick, and Hewitt.

Dude, I make enough money that I don't need not play the lottery, I never really went to school, so apologies if my English isn't up to scratch.


Djokovic has tougher slam wins than Federer and Nadal.

Djokovic dumped out Roddick at his favourite slam

Djokovic has beaten Federer and Nadal at every slam

Nadal and Federer have not beaten Djokovic at every slam



Federer might be the second most consistent player of 2015, but Wawrinka is clearly the second best player for the past two years.
















But hey, good luck for the lottery.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Dude, I make enough money that I don't need not play the lottery, I never really went to school, so apologies if my English isn't up to scratch.

I figured.

Djokovic has tougher slam wins than Federer and Nadal.

False.

Djokovic dumped out Roddick at his favourite slam

True, but I never called Djokovic weak, did I?

Djokovic has beaten Federer and Nadal at every slam

And did he get a special trophy for it? Oh, he didn't? So what's the point?

Nadal and Federer have not beaten Djokovic at every slam

Federer has beaten Djokovic at every Slam, you ignoramus

Federer might be the second most consistent player of 2015, but Wawrinka is clearly the second best player for the past two years.

Why? Because he won the second most Slams? By the same reasoning, Federer will be the greatest player of the Open Era until someone gets to 17 Slams, no? I have a feeling that won't be Djokovic

 

[Anaconda]

I figured

I didn't show up, but it doesn't mean I failed. BTW would love to know what you do for a living?

False.

You realise that you are basically saying Baghdathis and Gonzalez in 06 and 07 respectively are better than Federer circa 2009+??? Djokovic's competition partly consisted of old Federer, which is apparently weak. Yet Federer's competition partially consisted of Gonzo, Baghdathis & pusher Roddick. Hmmmm.

Why? Because he won the second most Slams? By the same reasoning, Federer will be the greatest player of the Open Era until Djokovic gets to 17 Slams, no?

He'll have a winning H2H over Federer and Nadal
A win over Nadal on Chatrier
Davis Cup win
All time Masters and WTF record

Not to mentioned he could very well win the FO and all four slams next year.

 

[pirateofthecarribean]

Not to mentioned he could very well win the FO and all four slams next year.

Now that would be something. Novak is an all round player. Good on all surfaces.

 

[Anaconda]

Now that would be something. Novak is an all round player. Good on all surfaces.

Actually, I owe the guy arguing with me a slight apology, Federer has beaten Djokovic in every major, but AO 2007 is lame, he was barely a kid, yet the Feddie fans are allowed to claim all of Federer's losses occured due to him being old. I'm playing the double standards card here.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

You realise that you are basically saying Baghdathis and Gonzalez in 06 and 07 respectively are better than Federer circa 2009+??? Djokovic's competition partly consisted of old Federer, which is apparently weak. Yet Federer's competition partially consisted of Gonzo, Baghdathis & pusher Roddick. Hmmmm.

Prime Roddick > Current-day Federer, at least in terms of peaks at Slams, which is what really matters. And Gonzalez at the 2007 Australian Open was hauling ass. But you wouldn't know that, would you, because you weren't watching Tennis then.

He'll have a winning H2H over Federer and Nadal

And a losing H2H against Roddick and Safin.

A win over Nadal on Chatrier

Which isn't worth any more than any other quarterfinal opponent Federer beat during any of his French Open final runs.

Davis Cup win

Irrelevant to Singles Achievements, but Federer has it, too.

All time Masters and WTF record

Not sure about the latter, chief.

Not to mentioned he could very well win the FO and all four slams next year.

 

[Numero Uno]

Would you consider Novak above roger if he wins 2 french opens, which would mean that he won every slam at least 2 times?? Nadal needs 1 Australian and roger need 1 French... I think with 14 slams and 2 times every slam, 33 masters and equally weeks at number 1 woth roger, novak can be considered better

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Actually, I owe the guy arguing with me a slight apology, Federer has beaten Djokovic in every major, but AO 2007 is lame, he was barely a kid, yet the Feddie fans are allowed to claim all of Federer's losses occured due to him being old. I'm playing the double standards card here.

What double-standards? I didn't even mention Federer beating Djokovic at the Australian Open on this thread. Not once. You've got reading issues. If only you had gone to school, huh?

 

[pirateofthecarribean]

Would you consider Novak above roger if he wins 2 french opens, which would mean that he won every slam at least 2 times??

That would certainly be a factor.