So where does Djokovic's season stand now?
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Percentage wise, he has lost the battle. However, if he wins WTF, or even Paris to have 6 Masters 1000s, he could arugably have the best season. And I do mean arguably. If he wins both, high unlikely, but if he does, then his argument stregthens even more.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Still one of the best by virtue of 3 slams. Lower percentage and more losses than Mac but 3 slam wins. Federer has had the TMC as well as 3 slams and a 4th slam final but less masters, so it's hard to pick what's better. But I guess if Novak doesn't win Paris or the WTF then Federer's 2006 is still maybe better... then again Novak's gone through tougher competition. No real way to crown one year the winner.
DjokovicForTheWin
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Djokovic had a great season. He proved he's capable of a 5 or 6 loss season like past superstars, something Nadal was never close to achieving. Why does it have to be compared with Fed's seasons?
gamesetmats
New User
A great season which hasn't ended yet. We'll have to see how he plays in WTF to determine the quality of his season compared to other great seasons.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
But McEnroe didn't win 3 slams in 1984 and Connors won 3 slams but on the same surface. IMO what Djoko did was better (not even going into the matter of finding the past equivalent of 5 masters titles...)
Winning % per se is meaningless to me, simply because in the past, one could accumulate titles by playing minor events with weak competition (Connors comes to mind). The big events are the ones that are hard to get. Now that there are compulsory events, we're in a much better position to compare players and judge their level.
So, of course Soderling won 4 events this year but I would consider any argument using that stat to claim Soderling was the 3rd best player of the year completely absurd. It makes a big difference which titles one wins.
Clarky21
Banned
For everyone except for Nadal,that is. Noone would make that same excuse for him I can assure you of that.
Clarky21
Banned
No way. Mcenroe also had an incredible doubles record that year as well,and much more difficult competition. You are letting the ********* in you completely cloud your judgement.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
We're talking about best season in singles here. Absolutely nothing to do with doubles at all.
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That's true, Nadal gets less respect than he deserves. He's played well for years, having off times due to how he plays. I hope he gets a chance to come back and show his stuff in another even year!
Mustard
Bionic Poster
McEnroe didn't play at the 1984 Australian Open, and he did win the Masters in January 1984.
Connors dominated 1974. Connors won 15 titles that year, 4 on them on grass, 6 of them on carpet, 4 of them on hardcourt and 1 of them on clay. He won 3 of the 4 majors, and just because he decided to play WTT for Baltimore that year, was banned from the 1974 French Open and the chance to do what Laver did in 1969.
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celoft
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4th best season of the Open era.
1. Laver in 1969
2. McEnroe in 1984
3. Federer in 2006
4. Djokovic in 2011
1. Laver in 1969
2. McEnroe in 1984
3. Federer in 2006
4. Djokovic in 2011
Netzroller
Semi-Pro
Why does it have to be compared to Nadal's seasons?
DjokovicForTheWin
Banned
Why does it have to be compared to Nadal's seasons?
You're absolutely right. None of Nadal's seasons are comparable to Djoker's 2011
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
Yeah. it's surprising how much 1974 is overlooked here. I mean honestly, who really could've stopped him at the FO that year?
The Djoker's year as of now has certainly been put into perspective.
Especially compared to Roger Federer's best seasons.
I recall just a few short weeks ago, it was all about "the best season ever!"
Alas, the Djoker showed his true colors. Retiring yet again from another important match (Davis Cup).
Getting throttled by a nobody (Nishikori).
But of course, there will be those folks that will say, wha, wha, but he was "injured". The quotes mine. Because with Djoker.....he's always injured.
Sorry, buddy. Injured = Excuses.
Unless you are a Nadal ****. Injured = What you have to be to explain ALL of your losses. INJURED = normal.
Oh, and speaking of Nadal, interesting how he is bailing on Paris. The poor dear, needs more rest. Interesting too how Nadal can never quite make it through full season. With Nadal, it's ALWAYS something.
Yes, the Djoker season has been put into perspective, versus Roger's 2006, or even 2005 season. Close, but no cigar.
And before anyone else anoints Djoker GOAT, could he perhaps, just one itty bitty time, successfully defend a major title. We all know apart from his beloved clay, Nadal has never done that!
Especially compared to Roger Federer's best seasons.
I recall just a few short weeks ago, it was all about "the best season ever!"
Alas, the Djoker showed his true colors. Retiring yet again from another important match (Davis Cup).
Getting throttled by a nobody (Nishikori).
But of course, there will be those folks that will say, wha, wha, but he was "injured". The quotes mine. Because with Djoker.....he's always injured.
Sorry, buddy. Injured = Excuses.
Unless you are a Nadal ****. Injured = What you have to be to explain ALL of your losses. INJURED = normal.
Oh, and speaking of Nadal, interesting how he is bailing on Paris. The poor dear, needs more rest. Interesting too how Nadal can never quite make it through full season. With Nadal, it's ALWAYS something.
Yes, the Djoker season has been put into perspective, versus Roger's 2006, or even 2005 season. Close, but no cigar.
And before anyone else anoints Djoker GOAT, could he perhaps, just one itty bitty time, successfully defend a major title. We all know apart from his beloved clay, Nadal has never done that!
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
I still find Federer's 2006 better and possibly his 2005 also. Federer lost 5 matches in 2006 while winning 92. Only lost to Nadal and Murray and from the US Open on, went on a tear winning 41 consecutive matches. When you factor in he did this at the time of the year where a top player is most vulnerable, makes it even more impressive.
abmk
Bionic Poster
nastase, vilas, orantes, borg ?
Connors was really no lock for FO in 74 on red clay ......
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Way better season than Nadal ever had.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
NikeWilson
Semi-Pro
Sure the loss to Nishikori tarnishes Djokovic's great win/loss record this year. I mean, Nishikori is obviously the least worthy opponent that Djokovic has lost to this year.
But, we shouldn't write him off prematurely.
All Djokovic has to do, in my opinion, is win the WTF in London. If he wins that, it caps off what i'd consider the greatest season ever.
But, we shouldn't write him off prematurely.
All Djokovic has to do, in my opinion, is win the WTF in London. If he wins that, it caps off what i'd consider the greatest season ever.
That's a big if. If he doesn't win it with certainty he is below Federer 2006. I mean Federer did better in the slams that year and also won the WTF. He won 1 less Masters 1000 but since the WTF is superior to Masters 1000's then again, establishes Federer had a better year. Also Federer played many more matches so put himself on the line more.
Its difficult to compare those seasons. You can go by majors won, Masters, overall tournament or matches wins, percentages and so on. Djokovic has imo two great scores, which give his season real pep: His 10-1 over two legends of the game, and his all surface dominance in majors and Masters play.
zagor
Bionic Poster
This is one the biggest factor for me, on every surface (unless you count indoor HC separately from outdoor HC I guess) Novak won big title(s) this year.
I'd also add that his winning streak is something that goes into his favour as well, going undefeated from AO till RG SF is quite a feat.
Wow, a sensible comment.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Interesting observations and a lot of negativity toward Nadal that is absolutely NOT the topic of this thread. Another Federer fan...
Anyway, being injured as an excuse... A lot of valid there. However, when you run over someone in the first set (6:2) and then you obviously have issues and ask for the medical timeout, than I believe that is different from "an excuse" A true 2011 Djokovic would have ended the match at 6:2 6:1. This time, it was obvious that he is injured. One difference is that he was the man all the way and lost 0:6 instead of retiring...
Did you even watch the match?
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Mac also played loads of doubles too, which makes his year even more incredible.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
However you want to rank it, it's one of the best seasons ever, that's all that matters.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I was not refering to WTF. I meant the master shields that didn't exist in McEnroe's time and of which Djoko won 5 for the first time in the masters history. One would have to find events where almost all top 20 players participated at that time to find an equivalent but the tour was not very organized then and it may not be easy to do.
As for the slams, the reasons do not matter. If one is evaluating the best tennis season, one cannot rate 2 slam titles above 3.
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Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
But the way he was playing that year is what I meant. Just like this year; Sure, There's a few guys (Nadal, Federer, Tsonga, Roddick) who could be legit threats to Djokovic on grass, but he was playing so well and with so much confidence he was nigh unstoppable.
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
Have to respectfully disagree; His year was better than Federer's 2005, where he won less masters, majors, and didn't win WTF. Sure, he won more matches, but it wasn't a better season for titles. I think his level was higher than this year's Djokovic, but the season was not better.
2006 and 2011 are about even at this point; Djokovic will push it in his favor if he wins either Paris or WTF, but right now I'd say Federer's 4 masters + wtf > djokovic's 5 masters. At least in my opinion. But still, very close.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
The (relative) weakness of Fed's 2006 is no title on clay and early exit in 1 master. I totally agree that it is so close, it's gonna stay arguable unless Djoko wins 1 more title which is very doubtful at this point.
sonicare
Hall of Fame
You also gotta factor in that masters finals were best of 5 back n 2006. Look at djokovics body right now. I think if you made the masters final best of 5, I think his body would have broken down quicker resulting is a slightly inferior w/l
sonicare
Hall of Fame
But Fed absolutely dominated indoors which is a completely different surface highlighted by the fact that the h2h for rafa/roger is completely reversed if you compare indoor hc vs outdoor HC. I dont think novak will win a title indoors this season so the clay thing is cancelled IMO.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Indoor or outdoor is still hard court.
To me, currently, the 3 main surfaces are hard court, grass and clay (the 3 surfaces of the slams). It's true the logic would have been different when most indoor were carpet- clearly distinct from hard.
To me, currently, the 3 main surfaces are hard court, grass and clay (the 3 surfaces of the slams). It's true the logic would have been different when most indoor were carpet- clearly distinct from hard.
sonicare
Hall of Fame
Not really.. they play differently. its like me saying that clay and grass are one surface called "natural surface".
DjokovicForTheWin
Banned
This is precisely why Master's and Olympics are meaningless when deciding GOAT status. Only slams and WTF count.
DjokovicForTheWin
Banned
Isn't it convenient how people just make up stuff along the way.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
LOL. Connors didn't even bother with the Masters (WTF) between 1974 and 1976. That stuff with the 1974 French Open ban really annoyed him. It's because of that ban that people won't recognise Connors' 1974 on a par with Laver's 1969.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
While I think he would have had a chance to win there, it is still far from a lock that he would have even won that FO. I dont see Connors beating Borg on the red clay of RG.
DjokovicForTheWin
Banned
Therefore Connors had to pay for his stupidity.
jean pierre
Professional
The best season : Vilas 77 : 46 matches won consecutively. More than Lendl, Federer or Djokovic. Incredible record.
To be fair, if a player didn't actually play, he doesn't get any credit for missing those events. And missing those events are an oppotunist for him to play other events instead, as you've awarded him for his 15 total titles. Also, it does make it easy if a player only had to conquered only one surface, as Connors did in all of his 3 slams on grass. More surfaces means more versatile.
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