So who gets YE?

[BGod]

Novak blocked from 8,000 points, 2,000 points suspended and another 1,000 cancelled (Shanghai).

I mean, this actually is somehow worse than 2020.

But ATP Race is:

Nadal-5620
Tsitsipas-3965
Alcaraz-3910
Ruud-3110
Zverev-2700
Medvedev-2575


Honestly Zverev has no shot based him coming back from injury no sooner than USO if that. Ruud is just, let's not kid.

Alcaraz currently at QF of Hamburg could get 1300 behind Rafa. And given his youth could ein a lot from here to WTF.

I think Tsitsipas has a real chance but would be down to the wire if he won WTF.

And then of course Daniil. He's defending Canada and USO with additionally Cincy SF, Paris F and WTF runner. If he comes close to those points there's opportunity.

Obviously a lot rides on USO but Nadal is not above getting easy points at Paris and WTF if he's close to a clinch.

 

[Deleted member 792641]

its Nadal

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[Lauren_Girl']

As you said. With all the covid crap, the cancelled tournaments, the russian ban in Wimbledon and everything else, YE-1 will be quite meaningless this year. If 2020 was asterisked then this one should be doubly asterisked.

Nadal seems in the best position. But if Alcaraz wins Hambourg and Umag next week, he'll only be 1000 points behind. Nadal isn't playing Cincinnati and it's unsure he plays anything between the US and WTF. If Alcaraz isn't injured he will play everything and he has a significant chance to get the asterisked award.

 

[pj80]

Moral #1 Djo...but it seems Rafa will pass Fed at 6 YE#1

 

[Deleted member 792641]

As you said. With all the covid crap, the cancelled tournaments, the russian ban in Wimbledon and everything else, YE-1 will be quite meaningless this year. If 2020 was asterisked then this one should be doubly asterisked.

Nadal seems in the best position. But if Alcaraz wins Hambourg and Umag next week, he'll only be 1000 points behind. Nadal isn't playing Cincinnati and it's unsure he plays anything between the US and WTF. If Alcaraz isn't injured he will play everything and he has a significant chance to get the asterisked award.

people still going on with this asterisk nonsense, LOL. In 20 years no one will remember the circumstance, it will either be Alcaraz' breakthrough or Nadal's 6th YE #1. Next to no one will remember the fact that the previous year's #1 chose not to follow travel regulations of the countries that hosted half of the masters and grand slam events, regardless of whether those travel regulations are justified.

 

[BGod]

As you said. With all the covid crap, the cancelled tournaments, the russian ban in Wimbledon and everything else, YE-1 will be quite meaningless this year. If 2020 was asterisked then this one should be doubly asterisked.

Nadal seems in the best position. But if Alcaraz wins Hambourg and Umag next week, he'll only be 1000 points behind. Nadal isn't playing Cincinnati and it's unsure he plays anything between the US and WTF. If Alcaraz isn't injured he will play everything and he has a significant chance to get the asterisked award.

I voted Alcaraz myself. Course remains to be seen how he does indoors but he seems to play up to the competition so at 500s he's likely to win.

I think Nadal has a very good chance at Canada and then personally I think he'll pace himself after USO regardless. He really only played Shanghai and sometimes Paris. This year he probably wouldn't play Paris given the expected field.

 

[Bender]

If Nadal wins or gets close to winning in Canada and the USO, and has a half-decent showing during the indoor season, I think he should end up with YE1, and deservedly so all things considered, IMO.

 

[BGod]

people still going on with this asterisk nonsense, LOL. In 20 years no one will remember the circumstance, it will either be Alcaraz' breakthrough or Nadal's 6th YE #1. Next to no one will remember the fact that the previous year's #1 chose not to follow travel regulations of the countries that hosted half of the masters and grand slam events, regardless of whether those travel regulations are justified.

I disagree. A lot casual fans remember AO not being played much until the 90s, Agassi having drug/motivation problems, Federer beating Roddick a lot early, del Potro getting lingering injuries and everyone will remember 2020-22 for Covid.

That Djokovic who likely owns all the records was blocked from many tournaments in 2022 will absolutely be remembered. Even moreover if he ends 2023 as #1.

 

[Deleted member 792641]

I disagree. A lot casual fans remember AO not being played much until the 90s, Agassi having drug/motivation problems, Federer beating Roddick a lot early, del Potro getting lingering injuries and everyone will remember 2020-22 for Covid.

That Djokovic who likely owns all the records was blocked from many tournaments in 2022 will absolutely be remembered. Even moreover if he ends 2023 as #1.

It's all going to blend in with the fact that he's not going to win anymore majors from now on besides maybe Wimbledon 2023. Thus people are just gonna say he declined from USO 21 and forwards. It's all gonna be mixed in with each other.

He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

 

[NoleFam]

It's all going to blend in with the fact that he's not going to win anymore majors from now on besides maybe Wimbledon 2023. Thus people are just gonna say he declined from USO 21 and forwards. It's all gonna be mixed in with each other.

He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

Did your crystal ball tell you this?

 

[Nostradamus]

Novak blocked from 8,000 points, 2,000 points suspended and another 1,000 cancelled (Shanghai).

I mean, this actually is somehow worse than 2020.

But ATP Race is:

Nadal-5620
Tsitsipas-3965
Alcaraz-3910
Ruud-3110
Zverev-2700
Medvedev-2575


Honestly Zverev has no shot based him coming back from injury no sooner than USO if that. Ruud is just, let's not kid.

Alcaraz currently at QF of Hamburg could get 1300 behind Rafa. And given his youth could ein a lot from here to WTF.

I think Tsitsipas has a real chance but would be down to the wire if he won WTF.

And then of course Daniil. He's defending Canada and USO with additionally Cincy SF, Paris F and WTF runner. If he comes close to those points there's opportunity.

Obviously a lot rides on USO but Nadal is not above getting easy points at Paris and WTF if he's close to a clinch.

Points are Irrelevent at this point. RAFA won 2 of the majors this year, that makes him autmatic number 1 this year. novak can't even play us open so he's not #1 for sure

 

[Deleted member 792641]

Did your crystal ball tell you this?

no, common sense

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). They get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz

 

[NoleFam]

no, common sense

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). They get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz

Keep overrating these kids. Djokovic is the best all surface player to ever the play the game who's moving better than guys who are 15 years younger than him. Sinner, who's 20, couldn't hang with him over 5 sets. As long as it stays like that, he will still be the man to beat for a couple more years.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Novak blocked from 8,000 points, 2,000 points suspended and another 1,000 cancelled (Shanghai).

I mean, this actually is somehow worse than 2020.

But ATP Race is:

Nadal-5620
Tsitsipas-3965
Alcaraz-3910
Ruud-3110
Zverev-2700
Medvedev-2575


Honestly Zverev has no shot based him coming back from injury no sooner than USO if that. Ruud is just, let's not kid.

Alcaraz currently at QF of Hamburg could get 1300 behind Rafa. And given his youth could ein a lot from here to WTF.

I think Tsitsipas has a real chance but would be down to the wire if he won WTF.

And then of course Daniil. He's defending Canada and USO with additionally Cincy SF, Paris F and WTF runner. If he comes close to those points there's opportunity.

Obviously a lot rides on USO but Nadal is not above getting easy points at Paris and WTF if he's close to a clinch.

Let's go Rafa

 

[Bender]

He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year.

 

[Deleted member 792641]

Keep overrating these kids. Djokovic is the best all surface player to ever the play the game who's moving better than guys who are 15 years younger than him. Sinner, who's 20, couldn't hang with him over 5 sets. As long as it stays like that, he will still be the man to beat for a couple more years.

you really gonna say Djokovic now moves better than Alcaraz? You really gonna say Djokovic now is more physically fit than Alcaraz? Because neither of those are true. Alcaraz has a level of consistent offense that can absolutely wipe Djokovic off the map. No other young gun has this. He is the one.

 

[Fabresque]

no, common sense

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). They get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz

Is this what you told yourself in 2018 as well? Wonder what happened…

 

[Deleted member 792641]

Is this what you told yourself in 2018 as well? Wonder what happened…

Tell me the young player in 2018 who had the talent and mentality of Alcaraz.

 

[NoleFam]

you really gonna say Djokovic now moves better than Alcaraz? You really gonna say Djokovic now is more physically fit than Alcaraz? Because neither of those are true. Alcaraz has a level of consistent offense that can absolutely wipe Djokovic off the map. No other young gun has this. He is the one.

He may not move better than Alcaraz but he's still an overall better player, and moves better than most of the other younger players. Alcaraz couldn't even return Sinner's serve on grass. Never broke him over 4 sets. Alcaraz has offense that can wipe Djokovic off the map? Lol. Too bad no other player got this memo because maybe he wouldn't have dominated for so long.

He didn't even play but about 20 matches this year before Wimbledon when he usually plays much more and his game is more fine tuned, but it didn't matter. Alcaraz has proven nothing yet and it seems people would have slowed down with the hype after he fizzled out at RG and then Wimbledon. He's only 19 and a 19 year old isn't usually consistent or strong enough on all surfaces to stop an ATG. He needs more time.

 

[Fabresque]

Tell me the young player in 2018 who had the talent and mentality of Alcaraz.

Tsitsipas. Trust me, it’s easy to rave about these kids when they have nothing to lose and can come out of the blocks winning. It’s a whole other ball game when there’s real expectations on them to perform. I like Alcaraz, I do. But has he done anything substantial at slam level?

 

[Deleted member 792641]

He may not move better than Alcaraz but he's still an overall better player, and moves better than most of the other younger players. Alcaraz couldn't even return Sinner's serve on grass. Never broke him over 4 sets. Alcaraz has offense that can wipe Djokovic off the map? Lol. Too bad no other player got this memo because may be he wouldn't have dominated for so long.

He didn't even play but about 20 matches this year before Wimbledon when he usually plays much more and his game is more fine tuned, but it didn't matter. Alcaraz has proven nothing yet and it seems people would have slowed down with the hype after he fizzled out at RG and then Wimbledon. He's only 19 and a 19 year isn't usually consistent or strong enough on all surfaces to stop an ATG. He needs more time.

I will slow down on the hype when I see him have the same issues on HC that he has on clay and grass. There is a reason Nadal and Djokovic will still own clay and grass respectively next year. Serve and return is amplified on grass. I agree his ROS isn’t up to par with the rest of his game, but grass is where that matters 2X. He can get away with it on HC. He’s not good enough at this very moment to win USO, but all the HC he will play for the rest of the year will prepare him for the AO, where he will be the favorite IMO

 

[NoleFam]

I will slow down on the hype when I see him have the same issues on HC that he has on clay and grass. There is a reason Nadal and Djokovic will still own clay and grass respectively next year. Serve and return is amplified on grass. I agree his ROS isn’t up to par with the rest of his game, but grass is where that matters 2X. He can get away with it on HC. He’s not good enough at this very moment to win USO, but all the HC he will play for the rest of the year will prepare him for the AO, where he will be the favorite IMO

He might be good enough to win USO. Never said that but it still doesn't mean he will be a consistent threat everywhere. The draw could open up for him and he may have a chance this year so who knows, especially with the field so dire and Djokovic most likely not playing, but saying he will be the favorite at AO where Djokovic won the last 3 of them is not rooted in any basis or reality. If Djokovic plays Australia next year, and the field plays a terrible level next year like they did this year, he will be licking his chops.

 

[Deleted member 792641]

Tsitsipas. Trust me, it’s easy to rave about these kids when they have nothing to lose and can come out of the blocks winning. It’s a whole other ball game when there’s real expectations on them to perform. I like Alcaraz, I do. But has he done anything substantial at slam level?

Tsitsipas has never had a great mentality. There’s a lot of red flags with him. The incident with Med, the stuff he said to the french umpire, the stuff with his dad. And it all culminated on court at RG 2021. Alcaraz has literally no mental red flags that I know of. Even his family doesn’t prop him up as the next GOAT like most tennis parents do.

Also, 2018 Tsitsipas’ major results 1R-2R-4R-2R

Alcaraz 2022: 3R-QF-4R

Alcaraz has played 4 masters this year. His first, he reached the SF. At two of the others he won the title, on two separate surfaces. The only blemish on his record is the Monte Carlo 2R loss. Tsitsipas in 2018 made one masters final, and outside of that he made no masters QFs. It’s not even comparable

 

[NoleFam]

The Californians. One of my favorite SNL skits..lol

 

[Deleted member 792641]

The Californians. One of my favorite SNL skits..lol

SNL is unfunny in general, IMO. Weekend update is the only good part of SNL

 

[Bender]

The Californians. One of my favorite SNL skits..lol

SNL is unfunny in general, IMO. Weekend update is the only good part of SNL

Probably my favourite SNL skit all time:

 

[ADuck]

Whoever wins USO will get it I think

 

[NoleFam]

Probably my favourite SNL skit all time:

Yea that was a good one too. She would crack her own self up..lol

 

[NoleFam]

SNL is unfunny in general, IMO. Weekend update is the only good part of SNL

I don't watch it much anymore unless it's trending because of a funny episode.

 

[Bender]

Yea that was a good one too. She would crack her own self up..lol

The Debbie Downer skit with Ben Affleck was great too. Affleck completely broke and started squeaking his lines two octaves higher lmao

and who can forget the legendary cowbell skit?

 

[NoleFam]

The Debbie Downer skit with Ben Affleck was great too. Affleck completely broke and started squeaking his lines two octaves higher lmao

and who can forget the legendary cowbell skit?

I don't think I ever saw the cowbell skit.

 

[Bender]

I don't think I ever saw the cowbell skit.

It's on YouTube but it's blocked where I am, so use this link if it's not available in your region either:

 

[NoleFam]

It's on YouTube but it's blocked where I am, so use this link if it's not available in your region either:

I didn't recognize Will Ferrell at 1st until he started talking. Chris Walken is a straight up pro and didn't break character once. Jimmy Fallon cracking up...as usual. Lol

 

[Bender]

I didn't recognize Will Ferrell at 1st until he started talking. Chris Walken is a straight up pro and didn't break character once. Jimmy Fallon cracking up...as usual. Lol

The best part was Will Ferrell also cracking, and I can't blame any of them for breaking character.

The Jeffrey's skits are hilarious as well and there are quite a few of them:

 

[dapchai]

Fedr @I Am Finnish

 

[sportsfan1]

As you said. With all the covid crap, the cancelled tournaments, the russian ban in Wimbledon and everything else, YE-1 will be quite meaningless this year. If 2020 was asterisked then this one should be doubly asterisked.

Nadal seems in the best position. But if Alcaraz wins Hambourg and Umag next week, he'll only be 1000 points behind. Nadal isn't playing Cincinnati and it's unsure he plays anything between the US and WTF. If Alcaraz isn't injured he will play everything and he has a significant chance to get the asterisked award.

Wimbledon is just one tournament and with the recent flake draws, the last few editions should all be *ed . It's no one's fault Djokovic can't face down the jab (well except his own).

 

[nov]

Politics.

 

[Genious at Work]

Honestly Zverev has no shot based him coming back from injury no sooner than USO if that. Ruud is just, let's not kid.

 

[clayqueen]

no, common sense

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). They get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz

Djokovic is not a lock for Wimbledon. Just look at his path to this years trophy. He doesn’t often cut through the Wimbledon draw as easily as Rafa does at RG.

 

[BGod]

It's all going to blend in with the fact that he's not going to win anymore majors from now on besides maybe Wimbledon 2023. Thus people are just gonna say he declined from USO 21 and forwards. It's all gonna be mixed in with each other.

He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

Mmmmkay. Let us see

 

[NoleFam]

The best part was Will Ferrell also cracking, and I can't blame any of them for breaking character.

The Jeffrey's skits are hilarious as well and there are quite a few of them:

Hilarious. They couldn't get through it at the end. Those were the good 'ole days of SNL.

 

[Tennfan123]

Probably Rafa. But I could see him playing Canada, losing SF, and then winning USO, and then calling it a season. Daniil can take it then.

 

[MichaelNadal]

King Rafa to close an epic season in style

 

[Underdog]

It’s honestly unbelievable how people keep treating Djokovic as a victim this year. Sure, abolishing Wimbledon point hurt him A LOT, but that’s about it. He wasn’t deliberately banned from AO and UsO, he chose not to play in those tournaments. His no vax stance is, of course, within his rights, but very stupid within itself. Even more stupid when costs him so much. People need to stop this delusional speech claiming he’s being robbed of AO and UsO points.
That said, I think it’s between Nadal and Alcaraz, depending on how many tournaments Alcaraz plays til the end of the year and how well Nadal does in the ones he end up playing, obviously. I trust Nadal to clinch it, tho

 

[Winner]

Novak blocked from 8,000 points, 2,000 points suspended and another 1,000 cancelled (Shanghai).

Stop reading after this sentence.

Novak isn't blocked from playing tournaments. He decides he doesn't meet the requirements to play them, he doesn't follow the rules. It is his choice to not play them. In addition, this reads like the 1000 points are only cancelled for Djokovic. They are cancelled for everybody.

 

[travlerajm]

It’s a little early, and a lot can happen with injuries and gear decisions to change the course, but year-end #1 looks like a 2-horse race. Nadal has the inside track, but with his body breaking down, it’s no sure thing.

 

[BGod]

It’s honestly unbelievable how people keep treating Djokovic as a victim this year. Sure, abolishing Wimbledon point hurt him A LOT, but that’s about it. He wasn’t deliberately banned from AO and UsO, he chose not to play in those tournaments. His no vax stance is, of course, within his rights, but very stupid within itself. Even more stupid when costs him so much. People need to stop this delusional speech claiming he’s being robbed of AO and UsO points.
That said, I think it’s between Nadal and Alcaraz, depending on how many tournaments Alcaraz plays til the end of the year and how well Nadal does in the ones he end up playing, obviously. I trust Nadal to clinch it, tho

Stop reading after this sentence.

Novak isn't blocked from playing tournaments. He decides he doesn't meet the requirements to play them, he doesn't follow the rules. It is his choice to not play them. In addition, this reads like the 1000 points are only cancelled for Djokovic. They are cancelled for everybody.

No, it was one thing when countries went full stop. Except for top nations like Sweden.

But it's another when countries started to open up. Switzerland for example, then Spain, UK, etc.

Australia and Canada/USA have backwards regulations like some countries on women's rights. So yeah, it's technically Novak's fault as much as openly gay athletes "choose" to not compete in countries they could be fined/imprisoned.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Novak isn't blocked from playing tournaments. He decides he doesn't meet the requirements to play them, he doesn't follow the rules. It is his choice to not play them.

Just like an actress who doesn't get a role because she won't get on the casting couch with the director/producer. It's her choice.

 

[BGod]

Alcaraz obliterating Khachanov, inside track for Hamburg. Has real chance.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Australia and Canada/USA have backwards regulations like some countries on women's rights. So yeah, it's technically Novak's fault as much as openly gay athletes "choose" to not compete in countries they could be fined/imprisoned.

Right.

What if a huge tennis tournament were in, for example, a Muslim theocracy, and in order to enter the country you had to sign a sworn statement stating that "there is but one God and he is Allah and Muhammed is his prophet". You can be any religion to enter, but you do need to sign a sworn statement agreeing to that.

A totally easy thing to do. Even easier than taking a vaccine which can have real side effects.

And yet I think we'd all push for that rule to end, or for the tournament to be moved.