Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
So gross lol.King Rafa to close an epic season in style
So who gets YE?
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Underdog
Professional
Saying those are backward regulations are solely your opinion. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s obviously not an agenda against Novak. If he had gotten vaxed, it’d be fine.
It’s a completely different story to that of gay athletes. First cause being gay is not a choice, second he is not facing jail time in an obscure, abusive country, he’s just facing an entrance blockage. You went completely over the top there.
Underdog
Professional
You guys are making kind of crazy analogies there to try and justify a nonsense stance from him. Religion, sexual abuse and sexual orientation are a completely different matter to Djokovic’s stubbornness.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
Lol, no they aren't. You just care about one and not the other.
Underdog
Professional
Lol, not at all. If it were Nadal who were missing on big tournaments because of vaccination stance, I’d be calling nonsense the same. I actually kind of respect Djokovic’s courage to stick to his beliefs, despite being questionable about ones. Still, calling out an agenda against him, making him the victim and saying he’s being withheld from success is just dirty and delusional
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
It's not an agenda against Djokovic in particular, just like my hypothetical wouldn't be an agenda against any player. It could just be a rule for anyone entering.
We'd still disagree with it, just like nobody should agree with this nonsensical "vaccine" rule in the U.S. that literally nobody cares about.
And again, I say this as someone who doesn't like Djokovic, and who is excited at the thought of a summer without him on court because I'm so tired of watching him.
Underdog
Professional
Feel free to disagree, mate. Doesn’t change the rules and doesn’t change the fact that this rule only hurts him because he chooses so. The governments ans tourneys are not holding him back, he is.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
Agreed. Just like the producer isn't holding the chaste actress back, she is.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
I live in Canada but have 2 other citizenships. There are tangible differences that make Canada and Australia specifically draconian societies. It doesn't help we have abysmal voter turnout and general understanding of politics (mostly unions voting due to 1 policy, etc).
Switzerland, Estonia, Sweden, these are countries on the cutting edge.
America is just trash for public education and archaic government beaurocracy, etc.
So yeah, Novak has a choice but the tour yhis year is a joke for a lot of reasons
Underdog
Professional
I’m not saying the tour is kind of messed up this year, but 90% of what people’s been claiming to be Djokovic injustice is his choice backfiring.
Underdog
Professional
If you consider sanitary law and sexual abuse the same, that is…
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
Goodness, don't get me started on this...
Two things I absolutely abhor: public education and government bureaucracies.
The answers in this thread by BGod and FrontHeadlock are just mind-boggling.
To compare
the obligation to get vaccinated (in the midst of a global health catastrophe with millions of deaths) to enter a country
with
structural discimination and sexual assault
is simply disgusting and that's just for the lack of a better word.
It's another example that some people have really left common sense behind in this pandemic.
To compare
the obligation to get vaccinated (in the midst of a global health catastrophe with millions of deaths) to enter a country
with
structural discimination and sexual assault
is simply disgusting and that's just for the lack of a better word.
It's another example that some people have really left common sense behind in this pandemic.
Right now it's quite hard to see anyone besides RAFA. If Alcaraz GOATs at some more Masters, he might challenge for it, especially if Nadal somehow fails to win the US Open. Think Med's too far behind. Would need a total Murray 2016 situation to be in the running. Tsits historically sucks in the second half of the season, so I don't think he's a viable threat regardless of being number two in the race at the moment.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Nadal should not be favoured to win. Granted 17/19 didn't require tremendous form but he was better in those years. If Alcaraz wins Hamburg he'll be closer to Rafa than Murray was to Novak.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
In Canada the average age of Covid deaths was 79 when the life expectancy was 78. I mean, much older people just died in larger and faster numbers. That's a tragedy but not in the same sentence as 1919 or even the 50s-60s pandemics.
This was basically a super flu season.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
He does not own "all the records" (likely or not) in tennis and doesn't even own the most important record - Rafa does.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
1 Slam shy when blocked from best while Nadal ended up winning it. Time will tell.
Underdog
Professional
Not blocked. Chose not to participate.
It’s crazy how people go over the top to try and make Novak’s absences this year look like anyone’s fault but his. He chooses not to get vaccinated, it’s that simple. These people can’t have their guy miss a single tournament. Nadal has missed so many more due to involuntary issues and I don’t see people victimizing him that much.
if if if… doesn’t exist
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Fedr
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
He won't, and let me remind you that your idol is perfectly beatable in Canada, Cincinnati and the US Open.
It's absurd to give someone "free titles," anyway.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic has 68 GS tournament appearances and he has won 21 titles, while Nadal has played 65 GS tournaments and he has 22 titles.
The Spanish player is more effective than the Serbian and that is a factual fact.
Enceladus
Legend
Since when is it part of the tennis rules to be vaccinated against covid?
T
TheNachoMan
Guest
Nadal deserves it.
Enceladus
Legend
Nadal missed some Grand Slam events not because of injury, but because of a bruised ego and cited injury as the official reason. Example - Wimbledon 2009, he was rocked by his first loss at RG.Djokovic has 68 GS tournament appearances and he has won 21 titles, while Nadal has played 65 GS tournaments and he has 22 titles.
The Spanish player is more effective than the Serbian and that is a factual fact.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Since when a player has a crown and goes against the mandates of an independent government?Since when is it part of the tennis rules to be vaccinated against covid?
Enceladus
Legend
In such a situation, the country is not a suitable host for an open tennis tournament. It violates the ethos of the Open era, which is the participation of ALL players who, according to the rules of tennis, ensure their participation.Since when a player has a crown and goes against the mandates of an independent government?
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
And that your idol played in a tournament that prohibited players of a certain nationality, was it suitable?
Enceladus
Legend
The ban on Russian tennis players was also not correct, this season is spoiled by politics. But it must also be said that Medvedev, Rublev and others didn't pose as much of a threat to Nole at Wimbledon as Nole did to Rafa at AO.And that your idol played in a tournament that prohibited players of a certain nationality, was it suitable?
Underdog
Professional
Since in order to actually play tournaments you need to enter the countries where such tournaments are played. Countries have always had border entry rules. Just because your guy doesn’t want to follow such rules, it doesn’t make them political nonsense much less personal agenda against him.Since when is it part of the tennis rules to be vaccinated against covid?
I could say since 2020 cause Covid hasn’t always been around also, but that would be an exaggeration.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
I think Med will make a run at it… and it depends on Rafa’s health whether he can hold him off.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
But it is that the GS are "open" to all kinds of players, regardless of political bias, regardless of the tennis talk and its results.
If people put an asterisk on the winner of the Australian Open 2022, they should also do the same for the Wimbledon champion this season.
Underdog
Professional
That’s actually wrong, imho. Completely different from Djokovic vax issue too.And that your idol played in a tournament that prohibited players of a certain nationality, was it suitable?
Russian and Belarus players have absolutely nothing to do with their countries invading Ukraine. It’s not like they’re involved in politics or actively supported war. Rublev actually showed to be openly against it.
People failed to realized they would be playing an individual sport where they defend themselves and not their country. I’d be fine if they blocked Russia and Belarus from a Davis Cup or Atp Cup edition, but banning players was stupid. This year’s Wimbledon was full of stupidity and Djokovic and the banned players fans are rightfully upset.
Enceladus
Legend
The requirements of the countries for the enter are not always correct. See the South Africa Open in Johannesburg, where for a certain period of time couldn't play black tennis players because of the apartheid regime.
vex
Legend
You’re counting Novak’s self inflicted career suicide as part of his “blocked” points lol?
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
Nadal missed some Grand Slam events not because of injury, but because of a bruised ego and cited injury as the official reason. Example - Wimbledon 2009, he was rocked by his first loss at RG.
Nadal has always found it hard to bounce back from difficult losses. Following AO 2017, he won two of the next three slams and YE#1. Following AO 2012, he flipped the script and dominated Djoker for the next few years. Following RG 2021, he won his next slam after sitting out for 6 months.
Underdog
Professional
Crazy how people compare the most outrageous stuff. Racism and public health measures are not the same thing, dude.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
********** have lost all shreds of intelligence just to defend their idol.
They have no dignity.
Enceladus
Legend
You don't see the similarities because you don't want to see them. Both are political interventions into sport, both believed to be correct by the host country's government. Here it is beautiful to see how you, the supporters of covid vaccination mandates, slip into using a double standard, when you are confronted with an unpleasant reality.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
That statement both underrates what Murray did and overstates how ahead Nadal is now or his prospects moving forward.
A retread on Andy
Won Queens (500)
Won Wimbledon (2000)
Final at Cincy (600)
Quarters at USO (360)
Won Beijing (500)
Won Shanghai (1000)
Won Vienna (500)
Won Paris (1000)
Won WTF (1500)
Meanwhile if Alcaraz wins Canada he could overtake Nadal after USO and if not likely be playing for more points down the line.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
I mean, really guys, who has had the best season so far ?
Had it not been for injuries , Nadal would've probably added IW and a Wimbledon final to his already winning the first 2 slams.
He very possibly has a better clay season if not for the foot too. Yet even with all that , he's still been the best performer this season.
If he's fit for the USO and goes far , there's really no debate who's the rightful number 1.
Had it not been for injuries , Nadal would've probably added IW and a Wimbledon final to his already winning the first 2 slams.
He very possibly has a better clay season if not for the foot too. Yet even with all that , he's still been the best performer this season.
If he's fit for the USO and goes far , there's really no debate who's the rightful number 1.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
EGVX attracts the irrational fans for some odd reason...
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Rafa is publishing his memoirs soon in a book with that title.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
This is insane, and something else even worse.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
“political interventions into sport,”
Even if someone is convinced the CDC order is not premised on health concerns (not even faulty but good faith ones) and instead is convinced the CDC believes the border rules are not supported by any health concerns but are purely political (let’s ignore the cynicism of that belief toward the CDC health care professionals) it’s still not targeting sports.
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