Spanish Training Model Video

[tennis_balla]

I posted small parts of this DVD back about 2 years ago for the forum and almost got my YT account suspended

Well, here's the whole thing uploaded by someone else. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gq6bHYXSzs

EDIT:

Just wanted to let everyone know before it possibly gets out of hand to please keep this thread on topic. Thank you.

 

[treblings]

I posted small parts of this DVD back about 2 years ago for the forum and almost got my YT account suspended

Well, here's the whole thing uploaded by someone else. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gq6bHYXSzs

thanks for posting the link
i found the old thread where you posted part of the vids and am busy reading through it and watching.
once i´m through with that i´m bound to have lots of questions

 

[tennis_balla]

It's all pretty straight forward and well presented.

 

[treblings]

It's all pretty straight forward and well presented.

very well presented, and the old thread explained a lot about rpt and courses and such. also interesting how it deteriorated into an mtm discussion after a few pages.
so it looks, like i won´t bother you too much with questions
one of your comments from one of the deleted threads makes more sense to me now, where you said that sometimes too much focus is laid on the strokes/technique.

 

[tennis_balla]

I like how Luis explains the difference between hitting a tennis ball and playing a tennis ball. A lot of people miss that very important aspect completely.

 

[treblings]

I like how Luis explains the difference between hitting a tennis ball and playing a tennis ball. A lot of people miss that very important aspect completely.

what you mean is, that hitting a ball is only part of playing a ball, right?

i´ve watched the vid twice now and i guess i will be able to cite verbatim from it before i´m thru learning from it.
at the moment i´m concentrating on what he says about drills, how the kids should learn how to read the ball when all you´re doing is feeding the same ball from the same place,....

 

[arche3]

I think knowledge is key. This is worth a ton of private lessons. So many times coaches teach strokes but not the complete game.

 

[tennis_balla]

what you mean is, that hitting a ball is only part of playing a ball, right?

i´ve watched the vid twice now and i guess i will be able to cite verbatim from it before i´m thru learning from it.
at the moment i´m concentrating on what he says about drills, how the kids should learn how to read the ball when all you´re doing is feeding the same ball from the same place,....

Yes, pretty much.

 

[Roforot]

Thanks for this link... I've been feeling some things similar to this... I tell people I don't take lessons any more b/c they don't help me anymore... but he expresses his thoughts so much better.

It's not that I don't have things to improve upon, but it's that the typical way with feeds and clinics ("2 lines, backhands/forehands crosscourt 2 balls and rotate") are slow to translate over to matches. This is why there are some people who dominate the clinics but suck in real tennis competition!

 

[Deleted member 120290]

Great video! From the title I thought you had videos of Spanish models playing tennis. :-? Lots of knowledge and passion from the coach. Most of the coaches I've had either didn't know or didn't care.

 

[Seventeen]

Great video! From the title I thought you had videos of Spanish models playing tennis. :-? Lots of knowledge and passion from the coach. Most of the coaches I've had either didn't know or didn't care.

Thanks for saving me some time!

 

[Cheetah]

Great video. I enjoyed it.
Thanks

 

[Ash_Smith]

I like how Luis explains the difference between hitting a tennis ball and playing a tennis ball. A lot of people miss that very important aspect completely.

I remember doing some work with Claudio Pistolese (coach to Bolelli and Soderling for a short time amongst others). He put massive emphasis on learning to 'play with' the ball rather than 'hit at' the ball. In Spain they tend to refer to it as 'tuning the hands'.

Cheers

 

[Roforot]

One other thing, he kind of glossed over was his analogy of the hammer and nail! I thought that was a neat way of looking at strokes...

 

[pushing_wins]

isnt this a "what came first, chicken or the egg" question?

 

[tennis_balla]

isnt this a "what came first, chicken or the egg" question?

Which question would that be?

 

[pushing_wins]

Which question would that be?

isnt your serve the first element of the chain of events?

you serve dictates how your opponent returns, which in turn sets up your next shot and so on.

eveytime you are reacting or reading, you are on the defensive.

 

[treblings]

i´ve been trying to locate a site where you can buy dvd´s about and from rpt
so far no luck. can anyone recommend one? thanks

 

[Ash_Smith]

^^^You won't find much! There are a few DVD's but these are usually only available for coaches who have done RPT courses and RPT tutors - i'm still waiting for my copies of the new ones!

Cheers

 

[tennis_balla]

i´ve been trying to locate a site where you can buy dvd´s about and from rpt
so far no luck. can anyone recommend one? thanks

Its on the USPTA store under DVD's and Player Development, titled Spanish Model for Developing Players. There are a couple more by Emilio Sanchez there under On-court with USPTA titled Spanish Practice Patterns: Hand-fed drills and For All-court Play.

 

[tennis_balla]

^^^You won't find much! There are a few DVD's but these are usually only available for coaches who have done RPT courses and RPT tutors - i'm still waiting for my copies of the new ones!

Cheers

Which I want as well!

 

[treblings]

Its on the USPTA store under DVD's and Player Development, titled Spanish Model for Developing Players. There are a couple more by Emilio Sanchez there under On-court with USPTA titled Spanish Practice Patterns: Hand-fed drills and For All-court Play.

thanks, i´ll try the uspta

 

[treblings]

^^^You won't find much! There are a few DVD's but these are usually only available for coaches who have done RPT courses and RPT tutors - i'm still waiting for my copies of the new ones!

Cheers

thanks.
speaking of courses. i found some in the u.k. can you recommend them? and have you done courses in spain as well?

 

[TeflonTom]

misleading thread title. thought this thread would be about diana morales doing pushups

 

[Ash_Smith]

Which I want as well!

Don't worry - haven't forgotten!!!

 

[Ash_Smith]

thanks.
speaking of courses. i found some in the u.k. can you recommend them? and have you done courses in spain as well?

Yes, but I am slightly biased (I tutor some of the UK Courses!) - seriously though, I think the information given is very useful to all levels of coach and provide an excellent source of knowledge.

Yes, I have done all the Spanish levels with Luis - incredible guy!

Cheers

 

[5263]

Just wanted to let everyone know before it possibly gets out of hand to please keep this thread on topic. Thank you.

Interesting comment since it's just a video, so nearly anything the video makes
you think, comment or ask would be on topic.

Outstanding video and very much inline with how I teach with some slightly different terms.

 

[Power Player]

misleading thread title. thought this thread would be about diana morales doing pushups

And I have been enlightened thanks to Google Images.

Thank you.


I watched the first 15 minutes if this video and found it rather interesting. It all make sense. The more I play, and the better players I play against, the more I am focusing on footwork and balance. It is everything assuming you know how to hit. So to teach balance at an early age will really prepare a player for the challenges of the game. He stated that 80% of the shots a pro faces in a match are difficult. Think about that...it is very telling.

 

[5263]

I like the way he talked about working from open stance right from the beginning.
I also liked how he talked of working for good net clearance on rally shots.

 

[julian]

We have more cases than one

isnt your serve the first element of the chain of events?

you serve dictates how your opponent returns, which in turn sets up your next shot and so on.

eveytime you are reacting or reading, you are on the defensive.

Please see that we/you have AT LEAST five cases:
1.singles -you are serving
2.singles -you are returning
3.doubles- you are serving
4.doubles- your partner is serving
5.doubles -your opponents are serving

So NOT always "your serve is the first element of events"

 

[tennis_balla]

As stated in the video and something I agree with, the serve isn't the first element of events. Its your ritual.

 

[treblings]

Yes, but I am slightly biased (I tutor some of the UK Courses!) - seriously though, I think the information given is very useful to all levels of coach and provide an excellent source of knowledge.

Yes, I have done all the Spanish levels with Luis - incredible guy!

Cheers

sounds good i have to figure out the most efficient way for me to do some of this courses in the u.k., since it involves coming over from where i´m based in austria.

are the spanish courses limited to high-level coaches and do you need to speek spanish fluently to attend them?

 

[Ash_Smith]

^^^For Spanish courses - if you went and did one of the Sanchez-Casal Academy courses (like i think Balla did) you'll probably be okay as they tend to have a more international crowd. If you do one of the regular courses with Luis, you might not be so lucky as you'll likely be on with the vast majority of native speakers.

There are courses at all levels, Lvl 1 is for new coaches just starting out, up to lvl 5 for high level competition coaches.

 

[treblings]

^^^For Spanish courses - if you went and did one of the Sanchez-Casal Academy courses (like i think Balla did) you'll probably be okay as they tend to have a more international crowd. If you do one of the regular courses with Luis, you might not be so lucky as you'll likely be on with the vast majority of native speakers.

There are courses at all levels, Lvl 1 is for new coaches just starting out, up to lvl 5 for high level competition coaches.

thanks. i really appreciate that you take the time to answer my questions

 

[tennis_balla]

sounds good i have to figure out the most efficient way for me to do some of this courses in the u.k., since it involves coming over from where i´m based in austria.

are the spanish courses limited to high-level coaches and do you need to speek spanish fluently to attend them?

If you're in Austria then go to Barcelona, to Sanchez-Casal and do their week-long coaching course there. That's always an option. Its under RPT Europe and you'll also see how their program works. I did it back in 2009, flew in from Canada. My friend last year did the same thing, and he loved it. It'll be an international crowd, and lots of juniors around training. I did it in the spring. The course is conducted by Daniel Sorribas.

 

[treblings]

If you're in Austria then go to Barcelona, to Sanchez-Casal and do their week-long coaching course there. That's always an option. Its under RPT Europe and you'll also see how their program works. I did it back in 2009, flew in from Canada. My friend last year did the same thing, and he loved it. It'll be an international crowd, and lots of juniors around training. I did it in the spring. The course is conducted by Daniel Sorribas.

thanks a lot, that sounds like a great option

 

[pushing_wins]

Please see that we/you have AT LEAST five cases:
1.singles -you are serving
2.singles -you are returning
3.doubles- you are serving
4.doubles- your partner is serving
5.doubles -your opponents are serving

So NOT always "your serve is the first element of events"

well, then the first event is the outcome of the coin toss.

but seriously tho, your mindset should err on the side of "control and dictate" rather than "read and react"

 

[Larrysümmers]

i like his lingo and the way he presents himself. im thinking about dressing up in a bright orange jump suit and presenting this to the local high school tennis coaches. ive even been working on my accent so i can get the point across.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

well, then the first event is the outcome of the coin toss.

but seriously tho, your mindset should err on the side of "control and dictate" rather than "read and react"

This from a guy whose Username and mantra are "Pushing_wins." It's kind of hard to control and dictate when the ball is on the other side of the court.

 

[treblings]

well, then the first event is the outcome of the coin toss.

but seriously tho, your mindset should err on the side of "control and dictate" rather than "read and react"

with any stroke your opponent plays you have to read/recognize which kind of stroke is coming your way. direction, pace, spin. it has nothing to do with who is dictating the point.
for example you hit a good first serve, your opponent plays a weak return.
you step into the court and hit a winner.
the ability to read your opponents stroke means you recognize early that the return is weak, and then you react to that by hitting a winner.

 

[Ash_Smith]

well, then the first event is the outcome of the coin toss.

but seriously tho, your mindset should err on the side of "control and dictate" rather than "read and react"

PW - I think maybe you've got the wrong end of the stick. Luis is referring to the fact that you have understand the incoming ball before you can send it back.

I have often heard it said that tennis is a "game of sending and receiving" when actually Luis is correct, it's a "game of receiving and sending".

Cheers

 

[5263]

PW - I think maybe you've got the wrong end of the stick. Luis is referring to the fact that you have understand the incoming ball before you can send it back.

I have often heard it said that tennis is a "game of sending and receiving" when actually Luis is correct, it's a "game of receiving and sending".

Cheers

I think most players, or at least coaches are aware that sending a tennis ball includes
receiving well, but I can see some advantages to breaking it down as this model does.

 

[tennis_balla]

Ash, did you get my email reply yesterday with the 2 videos linked?

 

[pushing_wins]

PW - I think maybe you've got the wrong end of the stick. Luis is referring to the fact that you have understand the incoming ball before you can send it back.

I have often heard it said that tennis is a "game of sending and receiving" when actually Luis is correct, it's a "game of receiving and sending".

Cheers

you send it with a purpose. like in chess, every move is geared towards setting up your finishing move.

am i still missing something?

 

[Ash_Smith]

^^^Yes you are! Of course you send the ball with purpose, but before you can do that you have to understand what the incoming ball is doing as the situation it puts you in will (in part at least) dictate what purpose you return the ball with.

cheers

 

[Ash_Smith]

Ash, did you get my email reply yesterday with the 2 videos linked?

Yep, got it - will have a proper look later when I have time to reply in full.

 

[pushing_wins]

^^^Yes you are! Of course you send the ball with purpose, but before you can do that you have to understand what the incoming ball is doing as the situation it puts you in will (in part at least) dictate what purpose you return the ball with.

cheers

see the jibran video.

who's his biggest opponent? himself or nalby? was he not reading the feed properly?

more often than not its the execution

lets heed to balla warning on going off-topic. we will agree to disagree.

 

[barringer97]

misleading thread title. thought this thread would be about diana morales doing pushups

Yeah, pretty disappointed.

 

[treblings]

see the jibran video.

who's his biggest opponent? himself or nalby? was he not reading the feed properly?

more often than not its the execution

lets heed to balla warning on going off-topic. we will agree to disagree.

talk about reading the ball and reacting to it is imo very much on topic, and it´s one of the challenges that i see as a teaching pro to get my young players to be able to read the ball correctly and not only to hit balls

 

[5263]

I like how he works to get the feeds in more of a match situation, but don't agree
that hitting to the open court is most common shot (or it should not be).
Most often the ball should go back to where it came and not change the
direction. I feed that one to reinforce going back across court, then follow with
feeds to practice hitting to open with the change of direction of the ball.
Usually start with not changing, then go to changing the direction, then go
to a pattern, like 2 no change, then 3rd change directions and hit to open court.