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The only logic I can fathom is the poaster is referring to their head to head rather than their overall ability.
The H2H between Nadal and Fed
- Thread starter Gary Duane
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Even the H2H on grass is 2-1 Fed. Is there a single grass stat where Rafa is ahead of Fed?
"Greatest match ever at Wimbledon won" 1-0,
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
The reason it was the greatest match ever was because Fed lost.
Just-do-it
New User
Please stop fighting. Rafa and Roger are both amazing.
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
Not only "2013 bad back" Fed but "for as long as he's lived bad back" Fed.
Let me explain my Queen: . In Switzerland all males are subject to compulsory military service in the Swiss Armed Forces. . However at the ripe old age of 21, Fed was ruled "unsuitable" and was subsequently not required to fulfill his military obligation (the same Fed who won the AO on a hard court at the ripe young age of 35). . Well, word has it that Slackerer got out of fulfilling his obligation to his country either because of a bad back or some "don't ask/don't tell" issue (whatever that was). . Anyway a buy-your-way-out-of-it alternative was drawn up with Fed agreeing to pay a whopping 3% of his taxable income instead. . . My GOAT
Let me explain my Queen: . In Switzerland all males are subject to compulsory military service in the Swiss Armed Forces. . However at the ripe old age of 21, Fed was ruled "unsuitable" and was subsequently not required to fulfill his military obligation (the same Fed who won the AO on a hard court at the ripe young age of 35). . Well, word has it that Slackerer got out of fulfilling his obligation to his country either because of a bad back or some "don't ask/don't tell" issue (whatever that was). . Anyway a buy-your-way-out-of-it alternative was drawn up with Fed agreeing to pay a whopping 3% of his taxable income instead. . . My GOAT
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Your gut has more feeling than sureshs is all i can say
With so many people looking up to Suresh bhai, I'm happy there's at least one area I'm better at than him
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Mike, are you referring to ability or achievements? Achievements, it's obviously Federer on grass between those 2. But please note the H2H is rather close, 2-1.
zagor
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Serve and volley winning % in a Wimbledon final, he was 100% in 2008.
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In Spanish Math: 7 = 2.
Candide ... my tennis career may not have been the most stellar but math? I'm one of the few that navigated the NTSE (National Talent search examination) with flying colors a few decades ago! Herr Sentinel will have no difficulty telling you how difficult it is
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Mike, the Spice Girls or Dire Straits. Who's better? Please note the Spice Girls have sold more records
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I was trying to figure out when I wrote that, then I see it was a long time ago.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Despite all that fun Roger would still not be ahead even in your perfect scenario, that says it all
)Only a grass-GOAT can be 100% for almost 5 hours. Miles ahead of both Pete and Roger then
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
KING, there is no way you can spin the H2H as something other than what it is.
Just as you can't spin the major count.
If there were two majors each year on clay and only one on HCs and even one out of three WTFs were played on clay, Nadal would be acknowledged as the best of this era. There would be no competition.
But that's simply not how it is.
It's not spinning it it's point out Nadal has been quite lucky/ opportunistic to amass so many wins when Fed was playing badly but didn't repay the favour. It proves Fed is the better player as he reaches SF/finals regardless while Nadal is losing mugs like Rosol and Lopez in early rounds.
There wouldn't be 2 slams on clay. HC is a neutral surface so it's fair for everyone. WTF has always been carpet or hard court where does this clay argument come from. It's a specific part of the year.
Even in that fair scenario (not perfect but fair) it is pretty much even but still heavily clay skewed.Despite all that fun Roger would still not be ahead even in your perfect scenario, that says it all
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Two majors have only been played on HCs since 1988. There were no slams on HCs until 1978.
There were two slams on clay from '75-'79.
Until '87 there were two majors every year on grass.
Dominance of play on HCs is a relatively recent thing.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
All true, but you must admit though, there would be few eras where Nadal would finish with more slams than Federer.
Perhaps if they'd both played in Borg's era, Nadal might have managed it, given the two clay slams for a number of years, and the fact that both of them would likely have missed the AO every year.
zagor
Bionic Poster
USO was on green clay, quite different from the red one (Roddick has 5 titles on green clay for example). Not sure Nadal would be anywhere near as dominant on that one.
Besides, that's one 4 year period where surface distribution in slams might have favoured Nadal over Fed. Imagine Fed (or Sampras) having a go at it when 3 out of 4 slams were on grass?
Personally, I think this era is more friendly to Nadal than any previous one would have been. Changes in strings/racket tech, higher bouncing HC and grass, heavier balls, no carpet etc. all seem to suit him to a T. Two slams on red clay would have been quite an overkill.
And before the recent slam distribution it wasn't as good. They had it perfected before they decided to slow down both HC majors. The USO in 05, then more in 2010/2011. The AO in 2008.
They would never have 2 red clay majors. Conditions are already tailored to likes of Nadal and Djokovic as it is.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Of course it would not be as good for you. You live in this forum to promote KING ROGER as that GOAT, and everyone else as under him. So anything that supports his record is better for you.
No. They had it the way YOU liked it at that time.
They had two majors on clay for three years, and the fact that one was on red clay and the other on green clay does not change that fact. In those years there were two clay court majors and two grass majors. Whether or not that was better or worse, fairer or less fair, is a matter of opinion.
By the way, I love the way Federer plays tennis. So I missed him last year, missed him during this clay season, and I miss him this week because he went out early.
But I don't think he is the king. I don't put crowns on athletes.
Yes 2 clay slams and 2 grass. Even distribution so fair for everyone. It's perfect with 1 Slam on a niche surface each (Grass and clay) 2 on HC which is a neutral surface. No such thing as a HC specialist as everyone plays on it these days.
The way I liked it? Yeah I prefered when we had 1 slow slam (RG) 1 medium (Rebound ace AO) 2 fast (Wimbledon and USO)
Now we have 1 slow (RG) 1 slow medium (Plexicushion AO) and 2 medium (Wimbledon and USO) good if you like watching pushers like Murray and Djokovic play endless CC BH rallies, bad if you prefer all court tennis.
-NN-
G.O.A.T.
Well it would be good if the Wimbledon grass was legit fast and that the balance of slow to fast conditions on HCs is in good order and with a fairly wide set of boundaries.
So...
Clay = slow or very slow
Grass = fast or very fast
HC = slow to fast
Some recent changes, according to court pace index stats, suggest that the balance is being readdressed at the Masters level, but there isn't much getting around the fact that right now you have a bunch of clay masters and no grass masters events.
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I disagree. Nadal would not have been as successful in any other era. He needs modern racquets and modern string technology for his heavy topspin game. If you put a wooden racquet in the hands of both players, I think Federer would beat Nadal at least 75% of the time.
duaneeo
Legend
This is the 50th year of Open Era tennis, and hard has been the dominant surface for 30 of those years.
-NN-
G.O.A.T.
Life didn't exist before the late 1960s.
Nathaniel, Some of the younger fans might believe that Laver in 1968 was the first Wimbledon winner. In fact the first Wimbledon was held about 90 years earlier...
Hopefully they keep AO at 2017 speeds (medium - fast IIRC) and the USO goes to back to 05-09 acoustics and speed.
duaneeo
Legend
The Open Era didn't exist until the late 1960's, and for the most part, players of the Open Era are discussed and compared.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
You found the NTSE difficult ??Candide ... my tennis career may not have been the most stellar but math? I'm one of the few that navigated the NTSE (National Talent search examination) with flying colors a few decades ago! Herr Sentinel will have no difficulty telling you how difficult it is
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Which is relevant if you think good tennis started in 1968...
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