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[topspn]

Question for the Angell professionals out there:

I have a TC100 V2 and a TC95 V2 with the same specs: 320g/310mm balance, 63ra.

Yet no matter how I string the 95 is always feels super dead and slightly harsh. The 100 flexes a little more and has loads of power compared to the 95.

I typically string low, and have currently a 1.20mm string in both.

With that said, what truly is the major difference, and where does the 97 fit in? Lol. Thanks!

hmm..that doesn’t sound like TC95 to me so not sure what’s going on. They’re both the same lineage and both have power but yes TC100 is more. I never played my Angell with 1.20 gauge which way to thin for me in an open string pattern. I always favored 1.3mm and found several strings that play very nicely in TC95. Black Night, Black Zone, Head Hawk, RS Lyon, BBO, Revolve spin. My favorites were BN and BZ which did not play dead or harsh at all. I strung @48lbs so not to high. The TC95 plays with more control and precision, while TC100 has a bit more brute force and less control

 

[tpro2000]

hmm..that doesn’t sound like TC95 to me so not sure what’s going on. They’re both the same lineage and both have power but yes TC100 is more. I never played my Angell with 1.20 gauge which way to thin for me in an open string pattern. I always favored 1.3mm and found several strings that play very nicely in TC95. Black Night, Black Zone, Head Hawk, RS Lyon, BBO, Revolve spin. My favorites were BN and BZ which did not play dead or harsh at all. I strung @48lbs so not to high. The TC95 plays with more control and precision, while TC100 has a bit more brute force and less control

Hmm, yeah. I currently have the 100 strung with Head Lynx 1.20 (had it laying around) at 45/42 which is my usual reference tension coming from my Prince TT 95. I strung the 95 at the same tension and it wasn't close to having power while the 100 is a cannon to say the least. My string lately is Tier-one Tour Status 1.25. I just can't use 1.3m string - not enough feel for me perosnally.

I restrung the 95 with Black Widow 1.20 @ 42# and it plays better but still feels a bit stiff. Though very similarly to my Prince. Maybe I'm jusy enjoying the easy power/flex of the 100....

 

[topspn]

Hmm, yeah. I currently have the 100 strung with Head Lynx 1.20 (had it laying around) at 45/42 which is my usual reference tension coming from my Prince TT 95. I strung the 95 at the same tension and it wasn't close to having power while the 100 is a cannon to say the least. My string lately is Tier-one Tour Status 1.25. I just can't use 1.3m string - not enough feel for me perosnally.

I restrung the 95 with Black Widow 1.20 @ 42# and it plays better but still feels a bit stiff. Though very similarly to my Prince. Maybe I'm jusy enjoying the easy power/flex of the 100....

So I am not sure what the tell you but my experience with the TC95 and a lot of others by the way is its got quite a bit of power. So not like a PD type power to just arm the racquet but if you have decent mechanics the TC95 is a force. And at the very low tension and very lively thin gauges you’re playing, you should be getting some serious power. The TC95 is one of those frames you boss people around with. Anyway, i truly have no advice and assume you got a damaged TC95 somehow.

 

[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

Hmm, yeah. I currently have the 100 strung with Head Lynx 1.20 (had it laying around) at 45/42 which is my usual reference tension coming from my Prince TT 95. I strung the 95 at the same tension and it wasn't close to having power while the 100 is a cannon to say the least. My string lately is Tier-one Tour Status 1.25. I just can't use 1.3m string - not enough feel for me perosnally.

I restrung the 95 with Black Widow 1.20 @ 42# and it plays better but still feels a bit stiff. Though very similarly to my Prince. Maybe I'm jusy enjoying the easy power/flex of the 100....

Like @topspn already said... not sure what to tell you... maybe try natural gut in the mains and poly in the crosses. Mine came to me with Klip Black 1.25mm gut in the Mains and Yonex PTP (yellow) in the Crosses. It played with great power, but also awesome control when I swung out fully and used proper stroke mechanics.

Hope that helps.

 

[tpro2000]

Thanks guys. Currently how it is with the BW it feels way better. And next to my Prince, it's pretty damn similar so I don't think I'm really complaining, it's still an incredible racquet.

I guess what I'm feeling is the fun of the extra pop of the TC 100. Such easy fun power (and stable!)

Is there any other 100sq in at 12.3oz that plays like that? Just curious

 

[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

Thanks guys. Currently how it is with the BW it feels way better. And next to my Prince, it's pretty damn similar so I don't think I'm really complaining, it's still an incredible racquet.

I guess what I'm feeling is the fun of the extra pop of the TC 100. Such easy fun power (and stable!)

Is there any other 100sq in at 12.3oz that plays like that? Just curious

Only 100 sq in. I played with is the Roddick Pure Drive from 2012... very powerful racquet that became too much once I moved to a more humid part of the country.

 

[tpro2000]

Only 100 sq in. I played with is the Roddick Pure Drive from 2012... very powerful racquet that became too much once I moved to a more humid part of the country.

I remember those. I tried to use one from like 2015 but found the thicker beam a little hard to use. It's funny how we learn more and more about our likes/dislikes over the years

 

[SteveXtreme1978]

Think after weeks of deliberating I might go for the TC100, Handle B, Length 27.5" and 310g 7pt HL, 63 RA - anyone have similar setup to this?
I currently use Yonex DR98+ so wanted a similar setup so can interchange between rackets.

I was also considering the TC97 16x19, Handle B, Length 27.5" and 310g 7pts HL, 66 RA.

Any views on these 2 setups?

I play mostly flat shots, with a mainly sliced backhand and play a lot of doubles so volleying is part of my game too.

 

[topspn]

Think after weeks of deliberating I might go for the TC100, Handle B, Length 27.5" and 310g 7pt HL, 63 RA - anyone have similar setup to this?
I currently use Yonex DR98+ so wanted a similar setup so can interchange between rackets.

I was also considering the TC97 16x19, Handle B, Length 27.5" and 310g 7pts HL, 66 RA.

Any views on these 2 setups?

I play mostly flat shots, with a mainly sliced backhand and play a lot of doubles so volleying is part of my game too.

TC100 has some natural power to it so I’d be careful with what I wish for in extended length. If you have to, at least get more headlight so it would be quick. TC100 will also naturally not be as whippy as an EZONE

 

[ed70]

Think after weeks of deliberating I might go for the TC100, Handle B, Length 27.5" and 310g 7pt HL, 63 RA - anyone have similar setup to this?
I currently use Yonex DR98+ so wanted a similar setup so can interchange between rackets.

I was also considering the TC97 16x19, Handle B, Length 27.5" and 310g 7pts HL, 66 RA.

Any views on these 2 setups?

I play mostly flat shots, with a mainly sliced backhand and play a lot of doubles so volleying is part of my game too.

Having hit the DR 98 standard version I’d say it Plays closer to the TC97, has similar spin, control. & also lower launch angles than most 16x19’s I’ve hit.
TC100 would need more of an adjustment I’d guess

 

[SteveXtreme1978]

Having hit the DR 98 standard version I’d say it Plays closer to the TC97, has similar spin, control. & also lower launch angles than most 16x19’s I’ve hit.
TC100 would need more of an adjustment I’d guess

Would you say the TC97 Sweetspot is smaller or larger than the DR98.
I am trying to get a bit more power into my game and that is prime reason I was looking at the TC100.

I actually like my DR98+ racket but looking at something that maybe can give me more at tight matches.

 

[ed70]

Would you say the TC97 Sweetspot is smaller or larger than the DR98.
I am trying to get a bit more power into my game and that is prime reason I was looking at the TC100.

I actually like my DR98+ racket but looking at something that maybe can give me more at tight matches.

Difficult to say really as it was 3 years ago, I was struggling to commit to the right frame until I bought the tc97's, I’d given the DR a good go prior to buying the TC97s, the beam width I didn’t really like and I can remember not dialling in my forehand & being a few mph down on my serve with the DR. The Angells are all excellent to serve with and i was nailing my ground strokes so I stuck with these and have never looked back really. I bought a tc100 and messed around with that but I’m 3 years in with the tc97’s and they fit my game. I’m selling a tc100 to try out a v3 tc97 as all my 97s are version 2.

 

[ed70]

Steve what’s reason for using the + versions? Find them a bit sluggish so my swing speed actually hinders the pace on my shots.

 

[BBender716]

Played my first match with a new Pure Aero Tour this weekend. Guy was ridiculously slicing every ball. I found I had zero feel or connection to the ball that allowed me to slice back and also lacked the maneuverability to feel confident carving the ball.

Switched to my TC95 after dropping the first set and the nat gut / ghostwire setup in it felt so damn good. I sacrificed some power but had some amazing touch shots that made me feel like I could play tennis again!

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[ed70]

I bet your elbow loved the 2nd set too.

 

[BBender716]

I bet your elbow loved the 2nd set too.

Yes, moving from full bed of Hyper G in a PA Tour to the nat gut / ghostwire was mucho bueno. Selling my PA now lol

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[ed70]

lol yeh Hyper G i tried only once & i found it stiff, stringing it up in a Pure aero i think i'd need to pop a few pain killers ready for that stiff & hollow response i'd expect to feel.

 

[topspn]

ASL2 is expected tomorrow so even quicker then I thought

 

[DJ-]

ASL2 is expected tomorrow so even quicker then I thought

Even quicker in your signature! haha looking to see how it compares to the tc100 and asl3 !

 

[topspn]

Even quicker in your signature! haha looking to see how it compares to the tc100 and asl3 !

I am quicker then fedex

 

[DJ-]

I am quicker then fedex

 

[SteveXtreme1978]

Steve what’s reason for using the + versions? Find them a bit sluggish so my swing speed actually hinders the pace on my shots.

I am not the tallest so the + gives me leverage for a better server and also as my shots are flat I find it helps with my forehands and slice backhands as more mass and stability.

 

[BBender716]

lol yeh Hyper G i tried only once & i found it stiff, stringing it up in a Pure aero i think i'd need to pop a few pain killers ready for that stiff & hollow response i'd expect to feel.

My elbow is durable. Only time I ever had TE was when I was young and stupid and didn't know to string poly low. Played a full bed of Alu Power Spin Rough for 8 weeks and didn't realize the poly dies before breaking.

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[1990's Graphite]

@jdawg02 you got your frames already ? Any reviews? Noticed you are selling them in the FS section already !

 

[topspn]

@jdawg02 you got your frames already ? Any reviews? Noticed you are selling them in the FS section already !

wow very quick sale indeed after an hour hit

 

[1990's Graphite]

wow very quick sale indeed after an hour hit

I think that user is the sleeper king of racquetholics here hahahah many frames have been sold! We deserve a review! ;-)

 

[tpro2000]

I balanced, weighed, measured the grip etc on my 95bajd and 100. Everything is dead on even.

I guess it's just my current preference.

Anyone wanna trade a basically brand new TC95 V2 for a TC100 V2? Lol. 320g/310mm/63ra/L3 lol

 

[topspn]

I balanced, weighed, measured the grip etc on my 95bajd and 100. Everything is dead on even.

I guess it's just my current preference.

Anyone wanna trade a basically brand new TC95 V2 for a TC100 V2? Lol. 320g/310mm/63ra/L3 lol

I’m sure you like the TC100 which is totally fine. I really enjoyed the TC100 in both RAs. I just couldn’t make out you thinking the TC95 being weak or had no power while the TC100 had loads of it. Yes, the TC100 should have more but it is a lot closer then the gap you mentioned. This is why theorized you might have a damaged TC95. Anyway, TC100 is fantastic and the V3 are really nice so enjoy.

 

[tpro2000]

I’m sure you like the TC100 which is totally fine. I really enjoyed the TC100 in both RAs. I just couldn’t make out you thinking the TC95 being weak or had no power while the TC100 had loads of it. Yes, the TC100 should have more but it is a lot closer then the gap you mentioned. This is why theorized you might have a damaged TC95. Anyway, TC100 is fantastic and the V3 are really nice so enjoy.

Right - but how would I know if I had a damaged one? The 95 still feels so so low powered and the 100 like a cannon comparatively (and that was at same string same tension).

Idk, it's definitely confusing, and just picking up the 95 it "feels" heavier, way more head light than he 100 and it's not.

 

[topspn]

Right - but how would I know if I had a damaged one? The 95 still feels so so low powered and the 100 like a cannon comparatively (and that was at same string same tension).

Idk, it's definitely confusing, and just picking up the 95 it "feels" heavier, way more head light than he 100 and it's not.

Have you tried measuring the SW of your TC95? Just out of curiosity if your local pro shop has an RDC or an accuswing, try measuring and tell us what you find

 

[tpro2000]

Not yet but I will. I use a swingweight calculator I found online. My club isn't big enough/too cheap to try to get one. So hitting serves just the 95 is solid but you really gotta swing, as compared to the 100 where the ball jumps off the court on my kick and the flat even jumps up higher.

I think this is why I like the 100 better lol

 

[topspn]

Not yet but I will. I use a swingweight calculator I found online. My club isn't big enough/too cheap to try to get one. So hitting serves just the 95 is solid but you really gotta swing, as compared to the 100 where the ball jumps off the court on my kick and the flat even jumps up higher.

I think this is why I like the 100 better lol

There are a couple of people who reported their TC95 63RA V1 and V2 SW was lower than usual. So that’s sub 293 or so unstrung SW. They mentioned it felt brittle and unresponsive. They had other TC95 and they played great and they enjoyed them. No one has reported this on the V3. TC95 63RA has a monster serve

 

[tpro2000]

There are a couple of people who reported their TC95 63RA V1 and V2 SW was lower than usual. So that’s sub 293 or so unstrung SW. They mentioned it felt brittle and unresponsive. They had other TC95 and they played great and they enjoyed them. No one has reported this on the V3. TC95 63RA has a monster serve

thanks for the info!

according to my calculator, both have a swingweight of 317 (strung, dampner, overgrip) for both. is that low for the frame?

 

[topspn]

thanks for the info!

according to my calculator, both have a swingweight of 317 (strung, dampner, overgrip) for both. is that low for the frame?

hmmm...that is very low for a 63RA TC V2

 

[tpro2000]

hmmm...that is very low for a 63RA TC V2

hmm. take a look at this:

Swingweight calculator

Lmk if you think this is off. I used the Weight, length, and balancepoint converter

 

[topspn]

Yeah, it doesn’t show any numbers, just empty fields but I am not sure how much you can rely on this. You can try the racquet tune app but again I don’t think results will be as good as an RDC

 

[topspn]

There is also the TW method http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/howto_swingweight.php

 

[Paulo Braz]

Anyone using K7 Red from the latest lots? Did the RA fix improve the racket?

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[topspn]

Anyone using K7 Red from the latest lots? Did the RA fix improve the racket?

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I did much later purchase a K7 red. It did improve in my opinion in being closer to RA spec. It still did not have the dictating playability of the TC95/100 but that’s not why people buy it. So not sure what you specifically were looking for.

 

[stephenclown]

So, after adding an insane amount of lead to my 90 and solstice power at 50lbs it feels really nice. I am unsure of the swingweight but it swings like the RF97 but with an incredible amount of feel. Given the RF feels heavy for its swingweight I would guess 360 or so swingweight. It is really soft which I didn't expect after my last 90. It feels like its on par with the 63 TC95 I had but better dwell and feel overall, a bit more solid. What a frame... It will be a good frame to mix up for some fun with my Prince.

 

[Paulo Braz]

I did much later purchase a K7 red. It did improve in my opinion in being closer to RA spec. It still did not have the dictating playability of the TC95/100 but that’s not why people buy it. So not sure what you specifically were looking for.

Today I play with a tc97 16x19 310g and 9hl 296sw. What gains and losses will I have with the K7 red? The K7 I had (first batch) found it very unstable on off center balls. With this fix improved it?

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[Caol-ila]

Definitely. I sold my first batch K7 red and kept its younger sister. No regrets about that.

 

[Paulo Braz]

Definitely. I sold my first batch K7 red and kept its younger sister. No regrets about that.

And the newer version was better at. What aspects?

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[ed70]

thanks for the info!

according to my calculator, both have a swingweight of 317 (strung, dampner, overgrip) for both. is that low for the frame?

Doubt their that low!!!!

TC95 V2 16x19 I had was 332SW without OG.
I didn’t gel with the 95, I needed to drop tension lower than all the Angells to get the desired pop and feel, felt stiff and low powered until I dropped tension and played against strong hitters.
TC100 is an easier frame to play with, larger sweet spot, powers easier to get , it’s kind of hidden power with the TC95, it’s there but for me it’s a proper players frame you need the game. SW was just to heavy for me, I wasn’t able to keep the racquet head speed up.

 

[ed70]

Today I play with a tc97 16x19 310g and 9hl 296sw. What gains and losses will I have with the K7 red? The K7 I had (first batch) found it very unstable on off center balls. With this fix improved it?

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Your 97 is pretty much my specs too, mine are 325SW.
97 doesn’t need lead it should have solid feel, will definitely slice better, will have a lower launch angle, will stand up well against strong hitters without having to add weight.

 

[esm]

Doubt their that low!!!!

TC95 V2 16x19 I had was 332SW without OG.
I didn’t gel with the 95, I needed to drop tension lower than all the Angells to get the desired pop and feel, felt stiff and low powered until I dropped tension and played against strong hitters.
TC100 is an easier frame to play with, larger sweet spot, powers easier to get , it’s kind of hidden power with the TC95, it’s there but for me it’s a proper players frame you need the game. SW was just to heavy for me, I wasn’t able to keep the racquet head speed up.

you are right. TC95 16x19 strung has higher swingweight than the TC100 - that was also my experience. i recall my TC95 string with OG was around 335SW, which was heavier than my TC100 string with OG. the TC95 can be explosive, but the TC100 is just easier to get that explosion out of the frame
If you are in the EU and wants to get rid of your TC95 16x19 (assuming it is 63RA), then pls let me know, i might be keen to get a 2nd one

 

[topspn]

Today I play with a tc97 16x19 310g and 9hl 296sw. What gains and losses will I have with the K7 red? The K7 I had (first batch) found it very unstable on off center balls. With this fix improved it?

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K7 will be more plush in feel and just a really easy racquet to pick up and play. Its flex is more uniform which works well for some of us. It comes in somewhere in the 285-290 SW so in stock form don’t expect it to be the standard of stability. You will need to add some weight to the head for the stability you seek.

 

[topspn]

Just got my ASL2 and measured unstrung. It is on the money, 310g and 31.5 bal Also just a smidge wider then TC95

 

[haqq777]

Just got my ASL2 and measured unstrung. It is on the money, 310g and 31.5 bal Also just a smidge wider then TC95

Cool. Pics plz! Is it 8 mains or 6 mains in throat @topspn?

 

[haqq777]

thanks for the info!

according to my calculator, both have a swingweight of 317 (strung, dampner, overgrip) for both. is that low for the frame?

That is actually low for both TC100 63RA and TC95 63 RA. I had four of the TC100 63RA at one point. All V2. Lowest one was 328 strung.

My only TC95 was 330 swingweight strung. All measured by Babolat RDC.