Cerps
Professional
Actually that is not always the case, I have ordered directly from Head and it came with Sonic Pro 1.25
The Prestige Betrayal
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Actually that is not always the case, I have ordered directly from Head and it came with Sonic Pro 1.25
smalahove
Hall of Fame
The TW PS 85 is made in China and sells for $119 on (permanent) sale.
A Graphene Prestige is also made in China and sells for $199.95.
A Yonex Regna, made in Japan, is in the $4-500 range.
A reissued Head Prestige, made in Austria, by the same people who make pro-stock would cost accordingly. My guess would be $4-500, both given the actual cost and market traction.
I agree that an MiC Prestige classic reissue could well be sold for under $200, though.
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Or probably performed even better. These newer rackets perform better, like it or not its true. Look at the season Federer had this year after finally upgrading to a 97in frame. Sampras refused to switch rackets and it probably shortened his career by a little. And here's the best example for those of us old enough to remember: Borg's comeback. He came out of retirement still using wood rackets. Everyone else had switched to graphite by then. He played 6 or 7 tournaments and didn't win a single match! I bet those wooden rackets FELT really good, tho.
Don't be an idiot. Nobody in this thread suggested that by switching racquets they could jump from a 3.0 to a 5.0.
Why do you insist on bringing up that straw-man constantly? You look like a complete moron jumping into racquet discussions and screaming about the need to practice. Does it make you feel superior to the OP? It shouldn't since it simply makes you look like an nutty crank.
If you want to discuss technique and practice drills then post in the appropriate section.
Otherwise stop being a wheenie, especially when YOU refuse to play a full year of league matches with a Walmart juniors racquet. Your gear matters to YOU, let others discuss their gear without getting jumping in like some psycho homeless person screaming about spiders crawling from their button holes.
LOL... A 3.0 is going to be a 3.0 no matter what racquet they play with. You cannot buy skill. its fine to want a different racquet because it feels better or looks cool but people who endorse this notion that a different racquet is going to somehow give you more skill is ridiculous.
We can argue about this all day but the reality is people with low level skill and fancy equipment are just hacks with overpriced gear. Theres Nothing wrong with it but in the end your just playing dress up with some delusional fantasy that you are some other person. same goes for buying all the overpriced fancy tennis clothes. It doesnt do anything for you serving at 3-4 love-40.
I switched to different wristbands and jumped from a 3.5 to a 4.5 instantly.
are you Wonder Woman?
only on the weekends
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
rounick
Semi-Pro
Could they ask for so much? Probably, but it wouldn't make much sense, marketwise. The last batch sold for about $180 if I am not mistaken, made in Austria and everything. But I put it to the esteemed company that it is more a matter of recipe (graphite + mold) than location of the kitchen.
Hell, the iphone is made in China, too. And graphite is cheaper.
Quote the member who said that buying a racquet could transform a 3.0 into a 5.0.
If you can't then it's clear that you're having imaginary conversations in your head. Please, seek immediate professional help. You obviously suffer from some sort of multiple personality disorder.
RalphJ
Banned
LOL, classic!
nobody said that. Someone made a joke about switching wristbands and you decided to inject all sorts of nonsense into it. maybe if you work on your reading comprehension a little more things will start making sense. The net has all sorts of programs available for little to no cost.
Too much lead tape handling for you I think. Be Careful mate.
Not sure where your aggressive attitude comes from. Maybe you just realized the utter nonsense that you have been posting. maybe your a snake oil salesman.....I have no idea. This view you have is pretty far off though. If people could buy skill then they would. If playing with a 400+ racquet and have your frames reworked would give you a sampras serve then every player on tour would be serving like Pete.
You also have this notion that rec players are good enough to tell minor tweaks in racquets and have it effect there game LOL. The majority of high level rec player and money tournament players dont even care. I checked my friends gear a while back for him because I was trying to get him to go heavier. He was 20-25 grams off on each frame and the balance was all over the place. He just threw lead tape on the head until it felt right. no balancing...de polar... etc. etc. This is a really good player. Wins money tournys and played challengers at the time.
I agree though that if a really good player thinks this stuff might effect play than....it will. It gets into their head and they become OCD about it. Thats what happens to some of the pros. The job of the snake oil salesman is to get the player to that point where they start questioning it. Once that is done the hook it set and you have a client. Get enough and you have a client base. Enough client base and you can make a living at it. does it really matter....no, not really....but the OCD player thinks it does and is willing to throw money into it.
Its all just a sales tactic. there are entire industries built around manipulating people like this. seminars on sales tactics etc. etc. Its all about learning to manipulate ignorant people and exploit them.
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That right there tells me you don't play a lot of tennis.
Whether or not someone can tell you a frame weighs 300 grams or 350 grams doesn't matter. What matters is if they can tell you which frame they prefer and even rec players can tell you that. Only we racquet nerds can link a spec to a frame while the best players want their gear to fade into the background rather than serve as a distraction. Your friend probably doesn't play with a 110", 9 oz. granny stick strung with different strings and tensions week to tweek. And he probably doesn't show up with one stick in his back pack.
We also know for a fact that rec players can detect even small differences in frame specs because the entire freakin industry is built around designing products that cater to specific market segments. If your assertions were accurate then we'd see just a few frames from each manufacturer. This is NOT the same thing as introducing new PJs or gimmicks each year. It's about providing a spectrum of options each and every year that fit a spectrum of prospective customers. I've had friends who use 11 oz frame find my 11.9 ounce frame too heavy even though it's less thsn 10% different in weight.
So each manufacturer offers a spectrum of weights, lengths, head sizes, blance points, SWs, stiffnesses, beam shapes, beam thicknesses, etc. And they try to do so as efficiently as possible.
kailash
Hall of Fame
Best one I play with is IG Prestige Mid. If the original ones are much better, that would be something!!
Wish HEAD brings at least few from the classic lines, like how Wilson/Prince has done it. To fantasize more, it will be awesome if HEAD releases the original Mids and also a new 97/98 versions of the same!! But it is highly unlikely as the companies will not do such things unless there is money in it.
Could someone recommend a way to get hold of the Classic 600s? I saw few on the auction site, but not sure if those are authentic and of the condition.
that right there tells me your either a naive fool or another snake oil salesman. snarky comments and cheap shots at posters wont change facts. your friends that have trouble playing with a 11.9 ounce racquet as opposed to 11 ounce are just lacking in skill and useing equipment as a crutch/excuse for bad play.
as for how much I play and my ability level....you dont have a clue. you wont hide you ignorance by taking cheap shots. all I will say is I can play ......both right handed and left.
i think the best way to get close to these frames and not have to hunt down old stock is just try a pro kennex redondo mid. Its a very nice frame that is right along the lines of the old prestige IMO. If I had to choose between the two it would be a toss up. Its a little more flexible (which i prefer) but definitely worth a try. its a nice solid frame. One of the best on the market IMO.
That or just be diligent tracking down old head prestiges. the good thing is they are usually in pretty decent shape thanks to the grommet system. Bad thing is if you buy one thats been strung a lot or had a bunch of poly run through it might not last that long.
stronzzi70
Professional
Well done !!!! 100 % agree ....
kailash
Hall of Fame
Thanks! Yes, figured out that earlier by reading the posts and will have a Redondo Mid in hand by next week to try.
kailash
Hall of Fame
Thanks; seen that before: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=102323. Too much info! So, only read few pages here and there as needed.
Mr. Hokey
Rookie
I played with the PC600 for my last couple years of high school and I'll say it's still one of my favorite racquets. I regret not picking up more when I had the chance. I'm also sad that I never got my hands on an I.prestige mid; it's still my favorite racquet to date (played with a friends racquet for a couple months) .
That being said, I've switched to the ig prestige mid+ (25th anniversary) and I've been loving it. Sure it won't ever really have that same PC600 feel, I still find myself wanting to switch back, but they still feel great to me. Adjustments had to be made because they just don't have the same plow through, but overall they're great racquets. They're definitely easier to use than the PC600s as I've gotten better results with relatively less effort. I still have issues against players with more modern styles and gear... if only I had been born a decade or two earlier when one handed backhands and serve and volley were the norm. But for me it's been a good compromise. I can still play a more traditional game while keeping up with the pace and spin of modern baseline tennis and I think that's what's important about racquet tech these days. I'm glad there are still a few companies with sub 98 inch racquets for people who don't care about monster spin and power. Hopefully it'll stay that way and we won't be limited to a choice of either a 15x14 or 16x19 100sq in racquet.
That being said, the new graphene prestiges are garbage. Both in terms of prestige heritage and modern performance. They do neither.
That being said, I've switched to the ig prestige mid+ (25th anniversary) and I've been loving it. Sure it won't ever really have that same PC600 feel, I still find myself wanting to switch back, but they still feel great to me. Adjustments had to be made because they just don't have the same plow through, but overall they're great racquets. They're definitely easier to use than the PC600s as I've gotten better results with relatively less effort. I still have issues against players with more modern styles and gear... if only I had been born a decade or two earlier when one handed backhands and serve and volley were the norm. But for me it's been a good compromise. I can still play a more traditional game while keeping up with the pace and spin of modern baseline tennis and I think that's what's important about racquet tech these days. I'm glad there are still a few companies with sub 98 inch racquets for people who don't care about monster spin and power. Hopefully it'll stay that way and we won't be limited to a choice of either a 15x14 or 16x19 100sq in racquet.
That being said, the new graphene prestiges are garbage. Both in terms of prestige heritage and modern performance. They do neither.
Mr. Hokey
Rookie
Absolutely you can! But it's not what I got it for, as most people who've gone with an 18x20 pattern can attest to.
I have a fairly flat forehand, but my prefered shot, the one handed backhand, can still generate some decent spin. And my slice hasn't had this much bite in quite a while
5point5
Hall of Fame
The same could be said about a 2x4.
5point5
Hall of Fame
Cilic, Haas, Simon!.
The one to note is Cilic, I'm sure Ivanisevic played his part, but we can't ignore that Cilic won a slam after the big switch.
Although his prestige is de-capped to add more flexibility.
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
Absolutely you can! But it's not what I got it for, as most people who've gone with an 18x20 pattern can attest to.
I have a fairly flat forehand, but my prefered shot, the one handed backhand, can still generate some decent spin. And my slice hasn't had this much bite in quite a while
I have to either use spin or hold back on my shots or they will go way out with my IG Prestige MP. The thing has monstrous power.
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
I've seen IG Prestige models PJd as Graphene. I believe that there are Graphene Pro Stocks with numbers that I'm not familiar with so there are pros playing with the Graphene - I don't know of anyone in the top-20, though, that's using them.
5point5
Hall of Fame
Nah, these guys are the real deal! OGraphenestas.
anubis
Hall of Fame
Cilic doesn't use the PT57 (Prestige). He uses the Youtek IG Radical MP mold, whatever tgk number that is.
RalphJ
Banned
Djokovic and Berdych use the Radical as well, right? Simon and Murray use a form of the Prestige, I believe (Murray closer to a PT630 with 16x19), right?
anubis
Hall of Fame
Djokovic uses the old Liquidmetal Radical MP (18x20) mold, without the LM ridges. It is very flexy, less than 60 RA.
Berdych uses the Youtek IG Radical Pro mold, 16x19, with no CAP grommets.
Murray uses the PT57a, which is the same as the Pro Tour 630, except that he has a custom 16x19 drill pattern. The PT57e normally has an 18x20 drill pattern.
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
> Berdych uses the Youtek IG Radical Pro mold, 16x19,
> with no CAP grommets.
Did he recently change from the tgt260.2? Berdych didn't even like changing paintjobs on his tgk260.2s. The tgt260.2 is a YT Radical MP with 16x19 pattern. I'll have to check next time I see one.
> with no CAP grommets.
Did he recently change from the tgt260.2? Berdych didn't even like changing paintjobs on his tgk260.2s. The tgt260.2 is a YT Radical MP with 16x19 pattern. I'll have to check next time I see one.
