Anyone here have a quick comparison for the 2018 93P and the 2020 93P? Need to make a decision in the next 16 hours. Is the 2020 a significant upgrade worth the extra $40?
Anyone here have a quick comparison for the 2018 93P and the 2020 93P? Need to make a decision in the next 16 hours. Is the 2020 a significant upgrade worth the extra $40?
Anyone here have a quick comparison for the 2018 93P and the 2020 93P? Need to make a decision in the next 16 hours. Is the 2020 a significant upgrade worth the extra $40?
also does anyone know what's the difference between the phantom and phantom pro 93? The pro version is $119
How did you bump the twistweight?It's a great control racquet (the 18x20). Really worked for me once I bumped twistweight to over 14.5. Massive sweetspot.
How did you bump the twistweight?
It would be even longer but everyone is out there using the frame rather than writing about it.why is this 78 pages? Is this racket that good? Is he 14x18 better than the 18x20 93p?
why is this 78 pages? Is this racket that good? Is he 14x18 better than the 18x20 93p?
Or if you want this another way.... in star-wars terms is the closest thing to a light-saber vs. a laser-blaster (ie. pure drive and similar ;-)why is this 78 pages? Is this racket that good? Is he 14x18 better than the 18x20 93p?
Replying to myself that despite of what I said, Lleyton Hewitt did use a 93 sq. in racket as a counter-puncher player.... so...I would not call it merely a "control" racket but rather a "precision" racket for attack minded players - but not necessarily the agressive baseliner....
That really depends on your preference, style of play and physical ability !ok I'm going to order one 14x18 or 18x20?
but you don't need to go by whatever somebody else says.... you shoud demo each and make your choiceok I'm going to order one 14x18 or 18x20?
I really enjoyed the 14x18 (not phantom sorry, but its great grand-dad POG Mid) when playing on (red) Clay to create those high bouncing balls, yet maintain that precision when looking to attack.if you play on clay you might want the 14 18
Ok, I've arrived at the 93p party a little late. Gone back a bit on this thread, but it's a little long winded. Is there that much of a difference between the 1st gen and 2nd? Especially considering the price difference?
Very different. Didnt like eather of them.. never felt connected with the ball with them..Anyone played with this and Head Pro Tour 2.0? How do they fare?
For me the PT2.0 has the better ball feel on impact and feels noticeably firmer (but comfortable). It also hits the bigger ball. I ended up preferring the 93P because it's more maneuverable and I prefer the more headlight balance. Its stock static weight is a bit heavier but it feels significantly lighter. I find tennis more enjoyable with the 93P.Anyone played with this and Head Pro Tour 2.0? How do they fare?
What grip size?I’ll post one in the for sale section soon so keep a eye if you are looking for latest version 93
Is there really anybody who played/tried the18x20 2018 as well as the 2020 version side by side? For instance the tennis-nerd in his review didn't find much of a difference despite the addition of Twaron and the ATS technology, but this is the only source I could find. Thank you
I have been hitting with the 2018 version a couple of years (18x20). I have a counter punching style of play and attribute most of my improvements coming from 3.5 to 4.0 (not saying much) to this frame. That said, I am craving more power. Currently I am demoing the 2019 version of the CX200 (18x20) and have found almost no need for adjustment and more power over all without sacrificing control. I might play with string options on the 93 since they play similar but there's a good chance I will switch for more put away power. I still love this racquet and it's likely to stay in my bag for years to come.
I am intrigued by that frame. My only concern was comfort as my shoulder and elbow do not react well to stiffness (the reviews look good). I have several racquets in my bag that offer more power (mid 65 stiffness) but are too hard on my arm or lack control. Hitting with the CX had little or no effect on my current arm issues (overuse) and was an easy transition. I'm giving my arm a break and trying a few demos for fun. I'll elaborate further and say serving with the 93 is where I lack the most power, as I shy away from pushing off too much with my legs to protect my back (old injuries). Results with the CX were undeniable (so far ).Honestly, phantom 93p is for someone who can generate their own power. If you need more power and stay to similar racquet. I suggest you to try Head Pro tour 2.0. $159 from TW.
I am intrigued by that frame. My only concern was comfort as my shoulder and elbow do not react well to stiffness (the reviews look good). I have several racquets in my bag that offer more power (mid 65 stiffness) but are too hard on my arm or lack control. Hitting with the CX had little or no effect on my current arm issues (overuse) and was an easy transition. I'm giving my arm a break and trying a few demos for fun. I'll elaborate further and say serving with the 93 is where I lack the most power, as I shy away from pushing off too much with my legs to protect my back (old injuries). Results with the CX were undeniable (so far ).
I am intrigued by that frame. My only concern was comfort as my shoulder and elbow do not react well to stiffness (the reviews look good). I have several racquets in my bag that offer more power (mid 65 stiffness) but are too hard on my arm or lack control. Hitting with the CX had little or no effect on my current arm issues (overuse) and was an easy transition. I'm giving my arm a break and trying a few demos for fun. I'll elaborate further and say serving with the 93 is where I lack the most power, as I shy away from pushing off too much with my legs to protect my back (old injuries). Results with the CX were undeniable (so far ).
How about Prince textreme tour 95
Phantom Crew, I did pick up a couple 2018 93Ps (18x20) from TW during the sale. Thanks for your advice!
I have noticed that the bevels on the butt cap are digging into my palm causing and ripping some massive blisters. Is anyone else have this problem? A month into the pandemic, my local pro shop ran out of Prince Leather Grips, so I installed Wilson leather grips when I needed to have a butt cap re-stapled on my original 93P. Blisters weren't an issue until I started hitting with the recent additions. I like the Prince Leather Grips because they are soft (so I don't need an overgrip)... but maybe this is a drawback since the edges on the cap are sharp.
Phantom Crew, I did pick up a couple 2018 93Ps (18x20) from TW during the sale. Thanks for your advice!
I have noticed that the bevels on the butt cap are digging into my palm causing and ripping some massive blisters. Is anyone else have this problem? A month into the pandemic, my local pro shop ran out of Prince Leather Grips, so I installed Wilson leather grips when I needed to have a butt cap re-stapled on my original 93P. Blisters weren't an issue until I started hitting with the recent additions. I like the Prince Leather Grips because they are soft (so I don't need an overgrip)... but maybe this is a drawback since the edges on the cap are sharp.
I had to re-wrap a couple of my 93P’s because they weren’t installed correctly and exposed the edges. I made sure to cover all edges to prevent any discomfort. Even then, I put an overgrip to soften up the feel so that the edges wouldn’t rub against my palm. It’s worked out great.
The edges aren’t as sharp as the RF97, which no matter what I do makes my palm tender.
Phantom Crew, I did pick up a couple 2018 93Ps (18x20) from TW during the sale. Thanks for your advice!
I have noticed that the bevels on the butt cap are digging into my palm causing and ripping some massive blisters. Is anyone else have this problem? A month into the pandemic, my local pro shop ran out of Prince Leather Grips, so I installed Wilson leather grips when I needed to have a butt cap re-stapled on my original 93P. Blisters weren't an issue until I started hitting with the recent additions. I like the Prince Leather Grips because they are soft (so I don't need an overgrip)... but maybe this is a drawback since the edges on the cap are sharp.
I agree with this. The 93p is much more headlight, and with smaller head and thinner beam, moves through the air faster. It also feels smoother and more flexy at impact. But for me, I ended up preferring the Pro Tour 2.0, precisely because it feels more powerful, while still very controlled. I find that with the PT 2.0 I’m attacking the ball more aggressively, without losing control. The 93p was just too low powered for me.For me the PT2.0 has the better ball feel on impact and feels noticeably firmer (but comfortable). It also hits the bigger ball. I ended up preferring the 93P because it's more maneuverable and I prefer the more headlight balance. Its stock static weight is a bit heavier but it feels significantly lighter. I find tennis more enjoyable with the 93P.
I love this thing in stock form with 18g (poly) in the mains and 17g (syngut) in the crosses (54lbs). My recent desires have me demoing other frames. I might try adding some weight to see if I can get the power boost you are getting but I have my doubts.Been playing with the 93P 18 x 20 for about a month now. Took me atleast a week to figure out that this racquet is suited for people with flatter strokes. However, while attacking its easy to hit with sufficient top spin to keep the balls from going long.
My initial thoughts were that my forehand was falling well short of the depth I would like and that I have having issues with my Double handed backhand when compared to the 100P. Tried Dunlop Explosive spin 17, Hyper G 17g, Kirschbaum Pro line II Rough.
Some issue I still faced :-
Mid Court Volleys not consistent unreliable POP of the stringbed.
Issues with Back Hand primarily timing (my fault) and depth of shots (both FH and BH)
I kind of liked the feel with the Kirschbaum. I then added 6 grams on the shaft near the V and 1.5 gms each at 10 and 2 and this racquet just changed character.
My FH depth is spot on am able to hit real deep consistently causing issues for my opponents. My backhand seems much more consistent with timing and the depth. Mid court volleys are also much more consistent.
This leads me to believe (my deductions) that although the static weight is 330gms as the racquet is really headlight, its somewhat killing the POP or power. This minor modification has caused the racquet to really perform more reliably (for me atleast).
Obviously the other route to take would be to get 18g strings and string in the mid 40s, but I prefer this route and string at around 52. Swinging this weight for 2-3 hours will be a challenge am already used to the RF340 so its not that different.
Suggestions and comments please.
I love this thing in stock form with 18g (poly) in the mains and 17g (syngut) in the crosses (54lbs). My recent desires have me demoing other frames. I might try adding some weight to see if I can get the power boost you are getting but I have my doubts.
Been playing with the 93P 18 x 20 for about a month now. Took me atleast a week to figure out that this racquet is suited for people with flatter strokes. However, while attacking its easy to hit with sufficient top spin to keep the balls from going long.
My initial thoughts were that my forehand was falling well short of the depth I would like and that I have having issues with my Double handed backhand when compared to the 100P. Tried Dunlop Explosive spin 17, Hyper G 17g, Kirschbaum Pro line II Rough.
Some issue I still faced :-
Mid Court Volleys not consistent unreliable POP of the stringbed.
Issues with Back Hand primarily timing (my fault) and depth of shots (both FH and BH)
I kind of liked the feel with the Kirschbaum. I then added 6 grams on the shaft near the V and 1.5 gms each at 10 and 2 and this racquet just changed character.
My FH depth is spot on am able to hit real deep consistently causing issues for my opponents. My backhand seems much more consistent with timing and the depth. Mid court volleys are also much more consistent.
This leads me to believe (my deductions) that although the static weight is 330gms as the racquet is really headlight, its somewhat killing the POP or power. This minor modification has caused the racquet to really perform more reliably (for me atleast).
Obviously the other route to take would be to get 18g strings and string in the mid 40s, but I prefer this route and string at around 52. Swinging this weight for 2-3 hours will be a challenge am already used to the RF340 so its not that different.
Suggestions and comments please.
how much weight have you added in total?I've done both... added weight at 3, 9, and 7" above the butt cap (plus overgrip and rubber-band dampener), and used 18g strings (1.15mm-1.18mm) @ 46M/ 43C.
Plays fantastic. It still doesn't have the power of some of my other racquets, but I've had the feedback that the weight-of-shot is decent enough, and the precision is so good that it encourages a level of creativity very few racquets can match.
Fabulous stick, great feel, touch, and maneuverability. I get plenty of depth and spin, but can also flatten the ball when needed.