The Wimby 08 Tiebreak
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NonP
Legend
I don't get the post hoc demoting of this TB. Pretty much anyone would whiff a fair amount under such pressure (which BTW is the same reason why the knock against the '01 Wimby final for not having produced the cleanest tennis is misguided), and taking the counter logic to its extreme one would prefer to see nothing but aces and unreturnables, which none of us would enjoy as much.
Like many (older) posters here I was glued to the TV the whole day and still remember casual fans going gaga over this final afterwards. It was probably the closest any tennis match has come to matching the '80 Borg-Mac in the internet era. One of the indisputable classics.
If we're talking pure tennis, though, this TB was even better:
ZERO UFEs despite a higher margin for error, and some of the biggest serves you'll ever see (yes, even from Agassi). Still my fave TB ever, despite my boy losing it.
LOL the guy really outed himself with this one. Wasn't it Limpin that came up with that (oft-mischaracterized) gem like 10 yrs ago?
Like many (older) posters here I was glued to the TV the whole day and still remember casual fans going gaga over this final afterwards. It was probably the closest any tennis match has come to matching the '80 Borg-Mac in the internet era. One of the indisputable classics.
If we're talking pure tennis, though, this TB was even better:
ZERO UFEs despite a higher margin for error, and some of the biggest serves you'll ever see (yes, even from Agassi). Still my fave TB ever, despite my boy losing it.
Wonder where the new user picked up on this meme?
LOL the guy really outed himself with this one. Wasn't it Limpin that came up with that (oft-mischaracterized) gem like 10 yrs ago?
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Pretty sure this is a TTW meme.
donkus_the_3rd
Rookie
It was Datacipher. I knew him. He was a psychopath.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Don’t forget Fed’s glorious second serve returns that day!
Still one of my favorite matches purely due to the drama, but other matches have had better quality.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I really dislike the nickname ''wimby.'' Yuk
donkus_the_3rd
Rookie
AO 2009 was much better in terms of quality, Federer was at his best, and Nadal was tired so they were a lot closer than what it should have been, but both players having great periods of play. Fed did throw it away though and gave up in the end.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
I wish it didn't have those 2 back to back passing shots cause everyone always points at 2 shots to argue it's quality.
But then maybe I should just say Dimitrov Sock from some god forsaken Stockholm semi is the GOAT match
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Go with it
I think Fed was trying to slice his returns under the net that day, rather than over. Too creative for his own good.
RaulRamirez
Legend
He really has a lot of "game" - a lot of variety and weapons (at least potential ones)...I like his game.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
@RS take note. This is quality bait. Casually thrown in an otherwise decent post
I have watched that match about 5 times.
The main reason Nadal actually came out the winner was because tiredness actually made him opt for more random aggression.
Federer had come to play that day,his shots were not going to breakdown,even his BH held up. If Rafael wasn't tired , he might have been more passive and it would end up being better for Federer.
And I have to say, tired or not, that's still one of Rafael's very good HC matches. Infact I will go as far as saying his SF performance is his top 3 and the final top 10.
And Federer played lights out from ground. His serve was down the drain but his groundstrokes held up well as well as I have seen them.
And lol at it shouldn't have been close. If anything Nadal was playing good, and Federer had so many chances to actually get it over in 4.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah. I find it funny that Fed still won more points overall at the end of the match even after that disaster of a fifth set.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
It reminds me of another such set of statements from the past.
A poster was inisisting that Fed should play the clay court season (when he was missing it).
When the argument that Federer cannot compete on clay the way he used to due to age, and there might be repercussions for his grass court campaigns after that was brought up, the said poster offered a solution to the problem of Federer wearing himself down, by suggesting that Federer should Serve and Volley on clay to shorten points and stay fresh. One can imagine how that suggestion was met. To the attention of that poster was brought the fact that clay is actually not conductive to something like that, and especially not against Nadal, but the poster continued to insist that Fed's superior volleys will give him good chances against Nadal, if he does it.
Bottom line: those two statements are very similar: an unrealistic expectation how Fed's style fits into his clay game. The only different thing is the slight change of context . Obviously that was an unrealistic expectation peddled for other purposes of which you already made a note.
The purpose of the said poster then was to bash Federer's fanbase, for their unwillingness to see Federer play, when they had a very real reason to accept his decision not to play which was not to re-injure himself in the process (despite of the general idea that seeing him play is better than not seeing him play, even if he has to lose).
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ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
From the ones I have watched, that and 2007 F are my top 2. With shout out to Djokovic Del Potro 2013.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
To me W18 is the most re-watchable. Never a dull moment.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Best Djokodal match.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
I like 2007 a little bit more, since it is slightly more grass court oriented. And the open sunlit centre court gives it a different vibe
2018 is awesome too.
ScottleeSV
Hall of Fame
The two passing shots were just absolutely legendary. You'll never see 2 amazing shots again played back to back from two different players at such a crucial and late part of a match.
NonP
Legend
This hyping of more recent Wimbledon classics as the best ever reminds me of this one time I was discussing Rafa's best '08 matches with an old friend who's one of the rare VB members that know their tennis (yes they do exist). I nominated his demolition of Murray in the Wimby SF, to which he replied that while that might have been Nadal's best grass-court match ever, there are still a handful of guys from years past who would still beat him at SW19 while he didn't see anyone upsetting him at RG that year. Thought it a very astute observation, one that has stayed with me to this day.
All of which is a longish way of saying, a zoning Krajicek, Ivanisevic or Stich still takes out peaking Rafa or even Novak on grass more often than not, though the latter (yes including Rafa) would likely prevail in career H2Hs. For the most unplayable tennis by both players I'd probably go with Pete-Goran in the '95 SF. Goran was literally close to unplayable in the 2nd and 4th sets (75% and 82% on 1st serves), but of course Pistol won most of the big points:
Now some housekeeping:
Data did have a short fuse and some anti-Fed bias, but the guy was a tennis wiz and would laugh at your assertion that clay is Fed's best surface.
Also I'm 99% certain Data didn't come up with the Rosewall bit, but getting the facts right doesn't seem to be your forte/priority so why bother.
All of which is a longish way of saying, a zoning Krajicek, Ivanisevic or Stich still takes out peaking Rafa or even Novak on grass more often than not, though the latter (yes including Rafa) would likely prevail in career H2Hs. For the most unplayable tennis by both players I'd probably go with Pete-Goran in the '95 SF. Goran was literally close to unplayable in the 2nd and 4th sets (75% and 82% on 1st serves), but of course Pistol won most of the big points:
Now some housekeeping:
Data did have a short fuse and some anti-Fed bias, but the guy was a tennis wiz and would laugh at your assertion that clay is Fed's best surface.
Also I'm 99% certain Data didn't come up with the Rosewall bit, but getting the facts right doesn't seem to be your forte/priority so why bother.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
And many of his epic wins were followed by a loss in the next match
Hitman
Bionic Poster
It reminds me of another such set of statements from the past.
A poster was inisisting that Fed should play the clay court season (when he was missing it).
When the argument that Federer cannot compete on clay the way he used to due to age, and there might be repercussions for his grass court campaigns after that was brought up, the said poster offered a solution to the problem of Federer wearing himself down, by suggesting that Federer should Serve and Volley on clay to shorten points and stay fresh. One can imagine how that suggestion was met. To the attention of that poster was brought the fact that clay is actually not conductive to something like that, and especially not against Nadal, but the poster continued to insist that Fed's superior volleys will give him good chances against Nadal, if he does it.
Bottom line: those two statements are very similar: an unrealistic expectation how Fed's style fits into his clay game. The only different thing is the slight change of context . Obviously that was an unrealistic expectation peddled for other purposes of which you already made a note.
The purpose of the said poster then was to bash Federer's fanbase, for their unwillingness to see Federer play, when they had a very real reason to accept his decision not to play which was not to re-injure himself in the process (despite of the general idea that seeing him play is better than not seeing him play, even if he has to lose).
I remember said poster.
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Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Wimble Womble
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Guest
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I don't really have one. Wimby has always annoyed me for some reason. Yeah, it's a me thing.
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Deleted member 743561
Guest
I actually somewhat hear you on that.
"Wimbly" would be too soccer stadium-ish (and also slightly annoying).
"Wimbledon" is too long.
Would "Donnie" work?!
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
donkus_the_3rd
Rookie
Yes, Datacipher was such a wiz, he knew nothing about IP addresses (he got banned for multi accounting), and thought Rosewall's slice could 'broach' speeds above 100mph. I wish I had that guys intellect. Lol.
You talk about how I don't make facts, but the bolded in your comment isn't fact at all. Gotta love a bit of hypocrisy.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
Definitely some choking was done, like 05 AO, doesn't mean it wasn't a great tiebreak. But in that one or 09 Wimby, the guy who came back was basically perfect which is why the TB didn't go into big overtime, but here Fed, being 08 Fed, mugged two errors up 6-5 so we got to see the later fireworks.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
NonP
Legend
LOL, you really couldn't make a bigger fool of yourself if you tried. Let's see:
- I said Data was a tennis wiz. In the real world but apparently not your own tennis and IT are rather separate endeavors.
- You clearly have no clue what the old-timers used to mean by "slice," which is precisely what Data was trying to explain.
- My or anyone's comparison of match quality is a necessarily subjective assessment, whereas your recounting of the old Rosewall anecdote is a factual matter which can be readily verified if one tries to look.
- Last but not least, every longtime regular knows by now this is the latest sockpuppet account of yours, but you still think you have the right to call out anyone for "multi accounting." "Gotta love a bit of hypocrisy," indeed.
Learn to quit while you're behind.
donkus_the_3rd
Rookie
Green clay is a good name. Wimbleclay is good.
donkus_the_3rd
Rookie
No, he said 'Rosewall's slice broaches speeds of 100mph'
I am sorry I do not understand that old timers use words incorrectly, I just happen to use terms correctly.
A slice is a slice. What don't you understand.
What a moron. Put me on ignore cuz I'm not replying to someone who says 'you clearly don't understand what 'xyz' means when they say 'incorrectly_used_words' out of context. Of course I don't, because most people I speak to don't use terms incorrectly. If I order a steak at a pub, it doesn't mean I want a pizza, it means I want a steak. Likewise, a slice is a feking slice.
Nonbrain lol.
This is my first and only account on TW.
NonP
Legend
You really are an illiterate toddler, not to mention a comically bad liar. Grow up and learn to read if you want to be taken even remotely seriously. Or stop wasting anyone's time.
donkus_the_3rd
Rookie
Fixed
NonP
Legend
donkus_the_3rd
Rookie
Why are you posting gifs of children?
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Donnie ftw.
''What is this tournament?''
''This is Donnie, a friend of mine.''
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Deleted member 743561
Guest
"Donnie don't take kindly to cheaters, son."
"Huh?"
"I told you: Donnie accepts no substitute."
That dude can play.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Lol at the "rustys" and the "hydros" of this world.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
I agree! It's weird as an American hearing the Aussie commentators, especially the pronunciation of Sampras' name.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
What Nadal did was insane and it was a better passing shot than Federer's, but I stand by my opinion that the pressure would have taken a bit of a back seat once he went beyond (PLUS ULTRA) to get the shot back. Being dead to rights essentially puts you in an unchokable position.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Now you're just making stuff up.Yeah but Fed was already old at 26 in W 08, way past his grass prime
mike danny
Bionic Poster
RS
Bionic Poster
This thread is about Fedal though and the comment about Federer. 2011 hurts Nadal with all the losses to Djok yes.
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