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OhYes
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Why would I bother following him when he has army of followers already ? It is enough to see him in clashes against my fav, there are so many things one can conclude from it.
"There's something wrong with Roger Federer" --Article on his form
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Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Last year he said was fine after Canada.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
If that was true he wouldn't have lost to Anderson, Del Potro, Coric etc. Those losses worry me and the fact that in Cincy he just played poorly. Back in the Wimbledon and USO finals he lost to Novak in 14/15, at least he played pretty well
swizzy
Hall of Fame
wimbledon was a shock. 2 sets up. after his year last year. skipping the clay season last year was largely considered a brilliant move. repeating that strategy was smart again.. the result wasn't the same..but, it was absolutely a very shrewd move for his team. they should keep skipping events to prolong his career and give him chances to win more majors. novak came back to form. him not coming back would be more puzzling. nadal and fed squeezed in a few majors during novaks absence and the three of them are not done.
van_Loederen
Professional
he simply shows the typical signs of "old" age.
weak legs, getting tired at the business end of tournaments (which with Bo5 can well be the QF stage), and dwindling hormone levels affect his concentration (which can look like he gets mentally weak).
SeeItHitIt
Professional
Brad Gilbert was babbling about how Fed said that he doesn’t see the ball during night matches as he used to, maybe accounting for being a little behind in footwork/racket prep, etc. Duh. He’s 37. He’s 37 and fabulously wealthy, having spent the last 20+ years dedicated to everything it takes to be a (perpetual) champion.
He can win another Slam, but I would be more surprised if he does than if he doesn’t. Still GOAT.
He can win another Slam, but I would be more surprised if he does than if he doesn’t. Still GOAT.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Yup. Hard to say when the "last Slam" will be. Did we see it in A018? I thought we saw it at Wimbledon 2012 for a while there.
The article really missteps on the clay stuff, he has now done that for the last 2 years and there is no mystery as to why. Furthermore I'm not sure about it "backfiring" since the guy he lost to is a top-ten player who made a Slam Final last year and is playing the best tennis of his life. Yes Fed blew that match and choked, but he's been doing that all his life.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Nadal is 'finally' healthy again? It's more than two years now since he last had an injury of any significance, right? What's bothered him since he withdrew from RG16 and missed WI as a result?
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I wonder how many times a player has come into a match with Novak Djokovic not having lost serve in X or Y service games and then dropped serve against Djokovic within no more than a handful of games. I imagine it's plenty times.
Hardcourter
Rookie
Are you being totally objective here now? I mean cmoon, he is like you said 37y old and we have seen in past years when he is in "bad form", that he can lose to some of the top dogs of the game. And yes, I dont mean like top-5 guys only, but to top-20 level guys likes of Anderson, Delpo, Goffin, Sascha Zverev and even to Coric on grass ATP-final in one of his favourite tournaments (lol)!
BHServe
Semi-Pro
As in absolute values, 4 isn’t much more than 2. %-wise, which imo is the correct way to analyse stats, 4 is 100 % more than 2.
I didn’t find career df statistics, but I’m inclined to say Fed hasn’t averaged more than 2 df/match. 4 df in a 2-set match is actually a lot for him.
All this just from stats point of view, those dfs on sunday hadn’t any significant impact on the outcome of the match, Nole was that much better.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
I guess what I'm saying is, if Federer plays Anderson, Delpo, Goffin, Sascha Zverev, Coric at the US Open, who will be favored? Who do you think will win?
If he plays Djokovic or Nadal, who do you think will win?
For me (and most people), you still expect Federer to beat everyone except Nadal and Djokovic. Against those guys, you aren't surprised if he loses.
And it has nothing to do with age
Hardcourter
Rookie
Ok I understand your point now
Of course that is true (and also betting market/ bookies think that way) so you are absolutely right. I was just saying that nowadays he isnt "unbeatable" outside top-5, not even in Slams.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
But you also aren’t surprised if Federer wins against Nadal or Djokovic. To me its 50/50 against Nadal (off clay; on clay like 5% chance for Federer) and 30% against Djokovic. If Djokovic is playing even 85%, Federer has no chance. But you have no idea what Djokovic will show up
Walter Krumholz
New User
Thiem can beat FED at USO. I believe Thiem can win USO. The Court will be Slow & Gritty. Thiem has had plenty of rest since he withdrew from Cincy with Unspecified Illness. I believe Thiem is simply taking time off, to be really strong for USO. Thiem has been playing possum, waiting for all the 30yr old + veterans to knock each other out, break down with injuries. Thiem likes to play 5 sets, he's strong and fit.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
And which quarter Djoker will wind up in. Since he'll be seeded 6th, he could end up in Fed's quarter, Nadal's quarter, Zverev's quarter or Del Potro's. I actually wouldn't mind seeing him in Del Potro's quarter, they've had some good battles over the years.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
No, but seeing the content is bad, so I deduct that seeing him write it is even worseYou watched the author write?
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Agree. But if we think of DFs as free points given to the competitor then Fed more than made up for it by serving 4 more aces than he did in 2015.
But Nole was simply better as you point out.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
You lost me at ‘businessinsider’ - pathetic by even today’s low standard of journalism. So desperate for clicks they pay LinkedIn to feature stories. Founded by Henry Blodget who ran afoul of the SEC for issues having to do with the truth.
Author just another blind fanboy who refuses to give an opponent credit. An opponent who will be in everyone’s Top 10 ATG list.
Author just another blind fanboy who refuses to give an opponent credit. An opponent who will be in everyone’s Top 10 ATG list.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Yep. I was looking at the link saying what is business insider doing writing an article about tennis.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
This same place was saying Djokovic was too skinny, needed a steak, would never win a slam again. Now he's back to "Can he pass Nadal/Federer?"
TTW is like the weather in Mid-West..if you don't like it/what is being said...wait an hour.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Nice C Note quip. +1
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Tried to say Mid-West and it's censored lmao
I will be surprised
r2473
G.O.A.T.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
If Nadal plays Djokovic at the US Open, do you agree that there is no surprise result either way?
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Mainad
Bionic Poster
True but we all knew something was amiss with Djokovic (turned out that he just needed his old coach to guide him back on the right track). But what could be amiss with Federer (he's not reported any injuries and still has the same team behind him as usual) unless he's just finally feeling the weight of his years?
MasturB
Legend
Luthi isn't going to say one thing against what Rog is going to say. Luthi is a close confidant of Roger. Luthi owes Roger everything for his coaching career. He's going to speak whatever message the team says.
Your naivety in that you don't think Fed's team controls their own PR message to the media is hilarious.
Fed is 37 now. Do you think he or his team is going to give other players an advantage by telling them through the media that yes he's battling an injury at the moment?
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Of course!
MasturB
Legend
The matches tactically are far different in how you also need to interpret the numbers.
More aces doesn't necessarily mean he was serving "better" than 2015. He was going for more on firsts, and taking more chances on 2nds.
2015 v. 2018:
1st Serve Points Won: 83% vs. 67%
2nd Serve Points Won: 73% vs. 47%
Break Points Saved: No BP faced vs. 3/6
2nd Serve Return Points Won: 53% vs. 22%
More aces could mean he was ramping up his firsts more because his lack of mobility to protect his second serve. Not going to be acing a lot on second, but you can go for more kick to end points quicker. If he isn't moving well or is carrying na injury, he certainly doesn't want to be playing extended rallies on the second serves. So it would make sense that he'd double fault more trying to go for a bit more on 2nd serves.
The fact his returning was really bad and had no range or very much stretch on returns would also mean his best plan was to servebot and push to a tiebreak.
I think it's telling when Roger has to serve and volley more and more in a match. In 2017 he found the right balance. Under Edberg he was doing it too much. In 2017 the mix of baseline and serve and volley was probably the balance he's ever used. This week against Stan, Goffin, Mayer, Nole he was serve and volleying a lot more in situations he usually doesn't.
TheMaestro1990
Hall of Fame
This article doesn’t say anything at all pretty much. Pathetic try at”journalism”
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Fred has been reading too much TTW and his pride got hurt.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
They are a direct competitor with TW. Same with think a certain "Express" store located here in Houston.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
he must be looking at the upcoming US Open as a last-chance saloon for success this year
That seems hyperbolic. I don't think his post-clay season is a total bust if he doesn't win the US Open. Not with Shanghai & WTF still remaining. If you told me in January that he'd end 2018 with a slam and the WTF, I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. A 6th USO would be insanely amazing, but I'm certainly not expecting it, and neither is Roger.
That seems hyperbolic. I don't think his post-clay season is a total bust if he doesn't win the US Open. Not with Shanghai & WTF still remaining. If you told me in January that he'd end 2018 with a slam and the WTF, I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. A 6th USO would be insanely amazing, but I'm certainly not expecting it, and neither is Roger.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe Fed should just forfeit any match between him and Rafa or Djokovic from now on, no?
Do we really still have people on this Forum going to that BS statement again. Yes of course Federer let Djokovic win. Since you believe that, I've got some ocean front property I can sell you in Topeka Kansas for real cheap, really it's such a steal.
And I'd be typing the same thing for if the statement was oh Nadal let him win or oh Djokovic let him win. Him being any other tennis player.
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
Saved me saying it. He said there's something wrong with Federer but then offered not one shred of explanation or even surmised what it might be.
Utterly pointless piece of drivel by what really is effectively a high-end click-bait outlet.
I mean seriously, your post is absurd. It was great to see another member post a prediction you made years ago. I'd like to thank that member for showing us just how well you know tennis.
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