Top 8 win-loss records vs themselves

[okdude1992]

This just shows that Nadal is where he is thanks to greater consistency.
Rafa = Male Wozniacki



Only true for Rome and MC.



Unless, your name is Roger Federer. 10 char.

they use the same racket and are consistent baselines but the similarities stop there.

nadal has 6 slams on 3 surfaces and 17 masters series as well a an 81 match win streak on clay, often considered the best claycourter of all time besides borg.
wozniaki has nothing compared to nadal in terms of achievements. furthermore wozniacki is not that great of a threat to the top players (serena, henin, clisters ect.) nadal on the other hand has been dominant already this clay season, and before injury trouble was a clear number 1 in 2008 and the beginning of 2009. basically he's way more legitimate a threat to win big tournaments than wozniaki (not just be consistent week-in week-out)

nadal's 50-30 record is not that bad considering that almost half of those losses were incurred at the end of last year and the beginning of this year when he was off his game and getting beat up on the hardcourts every week. that percentage will certainly go back up if he keeps playing the way he is now.

 

[okdude1992]

Rafa's h2h vs notable HC players on HC:

3-3 vs fed (1 of last 3)
3-7 vs nole (1 of last 6)
4-3 vs murray (1 of last 4)
2-3 vs delpo (0 of last 3)
1-5 vs fixer (0 of last 5)
2-3 vs duck (1 of last 3)
0-1 vs toad
0-1 vs cilic

Terrible stuff really. Just goes to show what a one dimensional mug this tapas muncher is.

If you look at those numbers up until the aussie open 2009 you see a totally different story. one dimensional my ***. he has a grand slam on grass and hard. most accomplished on all surfaces of any current player besides federer aka the greatest of all time. nice try *******008

 

[Joseph L. Barrow]

• Federer is 14-5 (74%)
• Djokovic is 7-6 (54%)
• Nadal is 1-13 (07%)
• Murray is 4-5 (44%)
• del Potro is 7-4 (64%)
• Davydenko is 9-6 (60%)
• Soderling is 8-10 (44%)
• Roddick is 4-4 (50%)

To me this shows:
- Murray and Nadal are rather lucky to be Top 8
- Djokovic is probably worse than his ranking indicates (though the 2 below him are both )
- delPo and Davydenko both have great records they are failing to defend
- After Federer at 19, Soderling is the most consistent player, having met the Top 8 18 times, followed by Davydenko with 15, Nadal with 14, and Djokovic with 13
- Murray has only met the Top 8 9 times, with a (-1) record, has been fortunate to be #4
- Roddick loses early the most (and doesn't play a lot) , but has a decent record vs the Top 8 once he gets there

So the rankings are, by %

1. Federer 74
2. del Potro 64
3. Davydenko 60 (these 2 are probably pretty appropriately ranked , as they have missed a lot)
4. Djokovic 54
5. Roddick 50 (a bit misleading, he has met the top 8 by far the least)
6. Soderling 44
7. Murray 44 (Soderling is ahead because he has both more wins and subsequent losses)
8. Nadal 7

So, what do you think? Why the overrankings? And underrankings?
Who is too high? And too low?

1. Nadal's record herein (I'm assuming you mean over the last 12 months) is certainly very ugly, but there are many more factors of significance in rating a player than simple recent head-to-head against the guys immediately surrounding you in the rankings- in fact, there have to be to establish said rankings in the first place. The fact is that while Nadal has struggled to win against the other guys on this list in recent months, he also hasn't bombed out early to Montanes or Gulbis or Rochus or Tipsarevic or Granollers or Ginepri or similar players like the guys around him have done; consistently beating guys ranked below oneself is every bit as important as consistently beating those ranked immediately around. Nadal has won the last two Masters Series events largely on the strength of this virtue, and it is surely no fault of his if Federer, Djokovic and Murray should bomb out to journeyman-level opposition. Moreover, I expect Nadal to significantly improve the head-to-head featured in this thread over the next couple months.

2. Roddick hardly ever loses early, and the claim that he's met the top 8 "by far the least" seems rather misleading, since he only has one match fewer than Murray and three fewer than Del Potro. His relative paucity of meetings against the other top eight players compared with their own counts against one another has more to do with the fact that he missed Masters Cup (which is the most concentrated string of matches against fellow top-eight players one can get in a season) while all the other guys in the top eight played it. Examine Roddick's ledger this year to date and you'll see two titles, two runner-ups and two quarterfinals in the six events he's played- not an early loss to be seen, and it was much the same way last year up until the end of the summer hardcourt season, when his level of play dropped off.

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

This thread is about the last year.
All this information is for only the last year.

 

[vortex1]

This just shows that Nadal is where he is thanks to greater consistency.
Rafa = Male Wozniacki

Seriously? Nadal is a former world #1, has 6 slams, 17 masters 1000 and olympic gold. Pushniacki hasn't managed a single masters 1000 yet, has no slams, has no wins over world number #1 (or former world number one) and has managed only one slam final thanks to clown draws. This comparison is insulting.

 

[TennisFan008]

they use the same racket and are consistent baselines but the similarities stop there.

nadal has 6 slams on 3 surfaces and 17 masters series as well a an 81 match win streak on clay, often considered the best claycourter of all time besides borg.
wozniaki has nothing compared to nadal in terms of achievements. furthermore wozniacki is not that great of a threat to the top players (serena, henin, clisters ect.) nadal on the other hand has been dominant already this clay season, and before injury trouble was a clear number 1 in 2008 and the beginning of 2009. basically he's way more legitimate a threat to win big tournaments than wozniaki (not just be consistent week-in week-out)

nadal's 50-30 record is not that bad considering that almost half of those losses were incurred at the end of last year and the beginning of this year when he was off his game and getting beat up on the hardcourts every week. that percentage will certainly go back up if he keeps playing the way he is now.

Seriously? Nadal is a former world #1, has 6 slams, 17 masters 1000 and olympic gold. Pushniacki hasn't managed a single masters 1000 yet, has no slams, has no wins over world number #1 (or former world number one) and has managed only one slam final thanks to clown draws. This comparison is insulting.

What don't you understand? This thread is about the last 52 weeks, the time period the rankings are based on. Nadal is ranked 3rd in the world with a 1-13 record vs top 8 players and a whooping 2 non-slam titles. Very pushniacki-esque indeed.

 

[vortex1]

What don't you understand? This thread is about the last 52 weeks, the time period the rankings are based on. Nadal is ranked 3rd in the world with a 1-13 record vs top 8 players and a whooping 2 non-slam titles. Very pushniacki-esque indeed.

Nadal won 2 masters 1000 titles recently. Wozniacki hasn't won one in her entire career. Nadal at his worst is 10 times better than Wozniacki at her best. Ridiculous comparison. I also don't recall Nadal losing in first round against random mugs like Wozniacki did. He consistently makes QF/SF even when he loses.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

Seriously? Nadal is a former world #1, has 6 slams, 17 masters 1000 and olympic gold. Pushniacki hasn't managed a single masters 1000 yet, has no slams, has no wins over world number #1 (or former world number one) and has managed only one slam final thanks to clown draws. This comparison is insulting.

She does have that USO final that Rafa doesn't...:lol:

I keed, I keed. Comparing Rafa to Wozzi is like comparing Fed to Safina...just wrong in every way.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

What don't you understand? This thread is about the last 52 weeks, the time period the rankings are based on. Nadal is ranked 3rd in the world with a 1-13 record vs top 8 players and a whooping 2 non-slam titles. Very pushniacki-esque indeed.

Consistency pays off. Nadal's been the most consistent player in all of the events the past year and a half, making QF of every event except for ironically, RG last year. That's why he's earned the rank that he has. We bring this up when talking about the Fed/Nadal h2h, we should bring it up again; Tennis isn't about h2h records, it's about how you do against the entire field, and Rafa's results in comparison to the field have earned him the #3, soon to be #2 rank rightfully so.

 

[TennisFan008]

The point is that he's got a very high ranking despite an abysmal record vs the top 8. Being even more consistent vs mugs doesn't change this.

 

[TennisFan008]

And Caro's performances vs the field has earned her the #2 ranking, and rightfully so.

 

[vernonbc]

Last fall when Nadal was playing on his least favorite surface, indoor hard, and not having much success he was being castigated for being such a terrible player and any mention of the other players having an advantage due to the surface was mocked. Several of us said that come next spring when he finally got his chance to play on his best and others were struggling we hoped that the Nadal critics and the haters would remember how often they said that surface doesn't matter. Heh. Such dreamers we were.

 

[vernonbc]

The point is that he's got a very high ranking despite an abysmal record vs the top 8. Being even more consistent vs mugs doesn't change this.

What does consistently losing to mugs say about your favorite?

 

[OddJack]

TennisFan008 Rafa = Male Wozniacki

I said the same a while back, plus she has that annoying "Comon"s of Murray too.

 

[Bryan Swartz]

This thread has enough going on in it, so I'm going to start a new one for the results of the rankings study. Just an FYI.

 

[piece]

This thread is made of fail. I have a career 0/0 record against the top ten so presumably I'm better than Fed given my 100% record?

That's a little harsh.

You could also look at it from the perspective of your having lost exactly as many times against the top ten as you have won, so your percentage can't be better than 50. So Fed is still better than you

 

[Bud]

Seriously? Nadal is a former world #1, has 6 slams, 17 masters 1000 and olympic gold. Pushniacki hasn't managed a single masters 1000 yet, has no slams, has no wins over world number #1 (or former world number one) and has managed only one slam final thanks to clown draws. This comparison is insulting.

Agreed. It's about the stupidest comparison I've ever seen on TT.

 

[Bud]

This thread is about the last year.
All this information is for only the last year.

Your favorite player is losing badly in the poll

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

Wait! What?

You're the pathetic Nadal fanatic who goes around saying how Nadal is a better grasscourter than Safin is on Hard:roll: It might help you to not call people out by saying they are the worst type of poster for being silent, as far as i'm concerned it's the biased, Nadal trolls like you who are the worst type of poster.

Nadal's not even my favourite player for a start. You're the Roddick WUM who just agrees with everything NamRangers says.

 

[namelessone]

Rafa's h2h vs notable HC players on HC:

3-3 vs fed (1 of last 3)
3-7 vs nole (1 of last 6)
4-3 vs murray (1 of last 4)
2-3 vs delpo (0 of last 3)
1-5 vs fixer (0 of last 5)
2-3 vs duck (1 of last 3)
0-1 vs toad
0-1 vs cilic

Terrible stuff really. Just goes to show what a one dimensional mug this tapas muncher is.

Priceless trolling,I love it. Trash that has drifted from MTF in here.

BTW,if those matches would have been on clay who do you think the one dimensional mugs would have been? The HC'ers right? I don't really need to remind you Nadal's clay h2h with those guys right? Hell,Nadal only has like 6 clay losses since 2005 and has a 81 streak on this surface while playing only the high level clay court tourneys. I don't even want to think what that streak would have been if he had entered the south african swing.

So Nadal's record on HC against those guys has been dismal in 09'(but on HC,his worst surface) but he managed to stay nr.2 despite this because he won a slam,a couple of masters and even though he was not good at all at the end of the year he managed the most SF in HC events after djoker. His consistency paid off,even on his worst surface,and being hampered by injuries. Both Murray last year and Djoker now got to nr.2 because Nadal had major physical problems. Both guys did not look the part because they have not been as consistent as Nadal and it showed,with murray exiting the USO rather quickly then suffering some bad defeats and phyiscal problems and djoker failing again and again this year,though he too has had physical problems.

The fact that he managed to stay nr.2 after losing 4000 points in two slams and being injured a lot shows how consistent he has been elsewhere. Nadal's 4th round exit at RG was his earliest exit anywhere since a early exit to seppi in rotterdam 08'. In like 2/3 of events(regardless of surface or form) he makes at least QF and usually SF. His HC game is not good enough to beat those guys there consistently but good enough to beat the rest. But he can beat them on clay(and probably grass) more often than not.

If Nadal is a one dimensional mug cause he isn't that good on HC what does that make djoker on grass? Or DelPo on grass? Or Davy? Or roddick and the other americans on clay?

Nadal has basically two good surfaces(clay and grass) and is solid on third,worst surface. You know,just like most other players today.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

The moment I read the first post, I knew blood was going to be spilled in this thread.

 

[sh@de]

Agreed. It's about the stupidest comparison I've ever seen on TT.

Amazing it didn't come from you!

 

[RyanRF]

It seems most people are voting Djokovic.

I guess thats what he gets for being #2 but not making a GS final in two years.

 

[tacou]

tennis rankings are governed by ITF rules, meaning that's how it is and how it should be, meaning whoever is ranked #1 is legally at that position, same for #2 and #33 and #106. they all are at where they at cause of there points you know?

 

[SiriusTennis]

If he wins titles he deserves to be #1, as simple as that.

I like how when people apply this logic to Federer, the 1st thing you say is "He only got back to #1 because Nadal was injured."

If it really is as simple as that (which it is), it should be applied to all the players.

 

[Buckethead]

Here is Nadal's 2010 tourney's. He lost to every top 10 player he faced. Doha, lost to #6 Davydenko. AO, lost to #4 Murray. Miami, lost to #8 Roddick. And he lost IW to #26 Lucic. His wins were MC to #12 Verdasco and Rome to #17 Ferrer. Again this is only 2010 not since May 2009.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Rafael-Nadal.aspx?t=pa

I like these stats.Good job on it.

I'm pretty sure he beat Tsonga in Miami who was in the top 10 then...

That's right.

why don´t you show the w-l record of their careers? This is only the last year or so, right?

Didn't you read the poll and what is all about???

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Your favorite player is losing badly in the poll

simply because of *******s who think he should be 1/2
i knew he would
btw, he's like my 11th favorite player, I just don't like the Top 5 and he's my favorite there

 

[TennisFan008]

Priceless trolling,I love it. Trash that has drifted from MTF in here.

BTW,if those matches would have been on clay who do you think the one dimensional mugs would have been? The HC'ers right? I don't really need to remind you Nadal's clay h2h with those guys right? Hell,Nadal only has like 6 clay losses since 2005 and has a 81 streak on this surface while playing only the high level clay court tourneys. I don't even want to think what that streak would have been if he had entered the south african swing.

So Nadal's record on HC against those guys has been dismal in 09'(but on HC,his worst surface) but he managed to stay nr.2 despite this because he won a slam,a couple of masters and even though he was not good at all at the end of the year he managed the most SF in HC events after djoker. His consistency paid off,even on his worst surface,and being hampered by injuries. Both Murray last year and Djoker now got to nr.2 because Nadal had major physical problems. Both guys did not look the part because they have not been as consistent as Nadal and it showed,with murray exiting the USO rather quickly then suffering some bad defeats and phyiscal problems and djoker failing again and again this year,though he too has had physical problems.

The fact that he managed to stay nr.2 after losing 4000 points in two slams and being injured a lot shows how consistent he has been elsewhere. Nadal's 4th round exit at RG was his earliest exit anywhere since a early exit to seppi in rotterdam 08'. In like 2/3 of events(regardless of surface or form) he makes at least QF and usually SF. His HC game is not good enough to beat those guys there consistently but good enough to beat the rest. But he can beat them on clay(and probably grass) more often than not.

If Nadal is a one dimensional mug cause he isn't that good on HC what does that make djoker on grass? Or DelPo on grass? Or Davy? Or roddick and the other americans on clay?

Nadal has basically two good surfaces(clay and grass) and is solid on third,worst surface. You know,just like most other players today.

the diff between claydal and hardal is like the diff between a-rod on grass/hard and a-rod on clay. the gap is exceptionally large. besides, hc is the main surface.

 

[abmk]

the diff between claydal and hardal is like the diff between a-rod on grass/hard and a-rod on clay. the gap is exceptionally large. besides, hc is the main surface.

even "thinking" of comparing nadal on hard to roddick on clay is laughable !!!!!!!
nadal's more than a formidable force on HC , roddick can't do anything significant on clay !

the gap b/w nadal on clay and hard is large because he is exceptional on clay, and not because he's poor on HC !

 

[TennisFan008]

even "thinking" of comparing nadal on hard to roddick on clay is laughable !!!!!!! nadal's more than a formidable force on HC , roddick can't do anything significant on clay !

the gap b/w nadal on clay and hard is large because he is exceptional on clay, and not because he's poor on HC !

I wasn't doing that. :?

Such a huge diff still shows how one-dimensional one is.

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Post- Madrid (as of today)
* Federer is 13-5
* Djokovic is 7-5
* Nadal is 0-13
* Murray is 4-5
* del Potro is 7-3
* Davydenko is 9-6
* Soderling is 8-10
* Roddick is 4-3

Wins come off for Federer, Nadal
Losses come off for Djokovic, del Potro

 

[CMM]

Post- Madrid (as of today)
* Federer is 13-5
* Djokovic is 7-5
* Nadal is 0-13
* Murray is 4-5
* del Potro is 7-3
* Davydenko is 9-6
* Soderling is 8-10
* Roddick is 4-4

Wins come off for Federer, Nadal
Losses come off for Djokovic, del Potro

You may be a troll, but at least you're funny.

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Cmm, they are raw numbers. I didn't even comment.

 

[Li Ching Yuen]

Now go ahead and give me the raw numbers of the Top 10 on clay this year, wins vs. losses. I wanna see.

 

[CMM]

Cmm, they are raw numbers. I didn't even comment.

I wasn't talking about this post only.

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Now go ahead and give me the raw numbers of the Top 10 on clay this year, wins vs. losses. I wanna see.

Let's see...
Nadal 0-0
Federer 0-0
Djokovic 0-0
Murray 0-0
del Potro 0-0
Davydenko 0-0
Soderling 0-0
Roddick 0-0

It hasn't been pretty

 

[Li Ching Yuen]

Let's see...
Nadal 0-0
Federer 0-0
Djokovic 0-0
Murray 0-0
del Potro 0-0
Davydenko 0-0
Soderling 0-0
Roddick 0-0

It hasn't been pretty

:neutral:

Trolling your own "theory"... in your own thread. You have a nice way about it.

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Nadal is the best in the world on clay- though he has been lucky this year
I don't deny that
Ferrer is a close second and can't even get into the top 10, Nadal is 2

 

[Li Ching Yuen]

Nadal is 14-0 on clay this season, wins vs. losses.

And 18-4 on hard courts.

Ok, you were saying?

 

[Joseph L. Barrow]

Post- Madrid (as of today)
* Federer is 13-5
* Djokovic is 7-5
* Nadal is 0-13
* Murray is 4-5
* del Potro is 7-3
* Davydenko is 9-6
* Soderling is 8-10
* Roddick is 4-4

Wins come off for Federer, Nadal
Losses come off for Djokovic, del Potro

Why does Roddick keep his loss to Federer from last year's Madrid, especially when Federer loses the win?

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

thank you, I will correct that shortly

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

* Federer is 12-6
* Djokovic is 7-5
* Nadal is 1-12
* Murray is 4-5
* del Potro is 7-3
* Davydenko is 9-6
* Soderling is 8-10
* Roddick is 4-4

Wins come off for Federerr
Losses come off for Nadal
New win for Nadal
New loss for Federer

 

[Joseph L. Barrow]

* Federer is 12-6
* Djokovic is 7-5
* Nadal is 1-12
* Murray is 4-5
* del Potro is 7-3
* Davydenko is 9-6
* Soderling is 8-10
* Roddick is 4-4

Wins come off for Federerr
Losses come off for Nadal
New win for Nadal
New loss for Federer

Again, why is Roddick still 4-4?

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Again, why is Roddick still 4-4?

* Federer is 12-6
* Djokovic is 7-5
* Nadal is 1-12
* Murray is 4-5
* del Potro is 7-3
* Davydenko is 9-6
* Soderling is 8-10
* Roddick is 4-3

Consistency standings:
1. Roger Federer 18
2. Robin Soderling 18
3. Nikolay Davydenko 15
4. Rafael Nadal 13
5. Novak Djokovic 12
6. Juan Martin del Potro 10
7. Andy Murray 9
8. Andy Roddick 7 (this is what is costing him)

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

* Federer is 12-6
* Djokovic is 7-5
* Nadal is 1-11 (Soderling RO16 loss)
* Murray is 4-5
* del Potro is 7-2 (Federer, SF)
* Davydenko is 9-5 (Loss to Soderling in QF)
* Soderling is 6-10 (Wins over Davy, Nadal gone)
* Roddick is 4-3

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

* Federer is 10-7
* Djokovic is 7-5
* Nadal is 2-11
* Murray is 4-5
* del Potro is 7-2
* Davydenko is 9-5
* Soderling is 7-11
* Roddick is 4-3