I will soon test speed pro/MP and solinco whiteout when it's available in Europe
Sorry i noticed i skipped part 2 of your question
angell is the most open pattern frame i played lol. Maybe babolats are same hahahah
Auxetic? I am super excited about the update
You quoted the wrong guy I guess but he's written a lot about the speed pro earlier in the thread.
A-awesome review !!! Thanks.TECNIFIBIRE TFight 315 RS 16x19 REVIEW
Millman's endorsed racquet. His personal specs from what I've found around are:
98", 349g, 317mm, 65ra, 334 SW. Amazing specs that even I could handle without preparation.
How does it play in stock form?
The closest frame I could compare it to would be Head Gravity Tour. At least my idea, expectations towards how Extreme Tour should play is more found in RS 315. What I mean is that the power lvl and forgiveness, stability really suits the description of Head Extreme line while Extreme Tour is in my opinion mislabeled as "extreme" where it should be something like "Prestige S" or "radical something"...
It's ready to play in stock form. Something I really appreciate in retail racquets. Mine came a bit heavier at 318g, 310mm which actually is also great
So - I will repeat - Tecnifibre frames are IMO all starting from control-based idea and then designers tweak it into direction they want to market the frame.
At 24kg the power lvl was too low and frame felt a bit dead. It was ok but nothing stood out. I gave it to the student, he was actually very happy with the frame (he also enjoyed Tecnifibre IGA a lot but wanted something heavier). I revisited the frame after a month and wow. What a change. Tension for sure must have dropped and the frame came to life. It was much closer to the description you can find online. Power, forgiveness, spin. Basicly "Head Extreme" alternative under 98" and foam filled or if you want - it's kinda like a radical with speed combo.
Compared to my TF40 315 16x19 (customized to 324g/30.5/292) RS315 offers more power, similar spin, a bit more forgiveness but I would say the feel of forgiveness comes from the faster response. Millman is stringing his 16x19 TFight with Black Code 1.28 at very high tension so I guess his response is pretty dead
The launch angle is still pretty low so I didn't feel the need of putting thicker gauges. I would recommend stringing it lower than 24kg. Mayami Big Spin is rather on a softer side than Black Code so I was quite surprised with the response being so low powered. Let the frame breath and string it low !
If you are concerned about the stiffnes don't be. It feels closer to 65-66 ra frames. Most likely thanks to foam inside. I would still prefer a softer layap but mainly for my performance preferences rather than feel (I like longer dwell time).
Closest alternative:
Head Extreme Tour - RS315 feels less hollow in stock form, and is more stable. However I must give a point to Extreme Tour beam design. It's 22-23-21 but feels and looks actually thinner. I like the idea of it being more suitable to prestige line however it's weird to see it in the Extreme family (if we compare the performances).
RS315 is 23/23/22.5 and feels thicker for sure but maybe thats the reason why it's ready to play in stock form while Extreme Tour is screaming for more mass.
TF40 315 customized has thinner beam, longer dwell time, more control, less power, slightly more forgiveness and for my game I think it might be better but both are amazing. I think RS315 at 65ra (like Millman) would be amazing combo of something "very close" to TF40 315 but with different DNA.
Maybe Wilson Pro Staff actually? But It's been a crazy long time I last played with a Pro Staff family.
Rating: 7.0/10 - please give us version within 63-65 ra for slightly longer dwell time
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Is this the TGT 293.2 Prestige (recent Prestige MP pro stock mold)?Time to continue Speed week !
Let me tell you that Head Graphene 360+ Speed Pro is the best version of this line ever !
I know only 2 players with Speed Pro 18x20. JJ Wolf and Illya Marchenko
There is probably more of them outside top 100 who we can probably call "Djokovic effect"
But back to review....
It is the most comfortable speed ever but not noodle. It's very solid and offers lot of feedback given its 23mm thick. Impact is very clean and satisfying.
If I had to use one word for speed pro 360+ it would be - performance. This racquet is loaded with performance. 100" headsize with a more oval shape and 18x20 pattern captures almost all necessary assets for a pro racquet. I know the SW is around 330 but it wasnt too heavy. Faster than blade 18x20 or yonex vcore pro hd 18x20 ... Easy spin, easy acces to power, great on backhand. Well its almost a perfect racquet really !
so what's wrong with it?
I absolutely hate it's thickness and in this case its more the look than anything tennis related. Because If I close my eyes it actually doesn't feel like 23mm racquet. More like 21.5-22mm. But when I look at it I just feel old haha ! Do I need that much help from the racquet ? It feels weird looking at it xd And this can transition to my brain and this to my performance hah! So yes. It's almost a perfect racquet - for a modern player. Old school guys will feel a bit off.
One thing to mention - serves. I unfortunately didn't try serving with it. I heard that the thicker beam is akward on serve motions.
BTW I checked and youtek graphene speed pro (the one i started my journey with) was: 22.5/22.5/21.5
I think I would highly consider this racquet if they made it 22mm straight beam while retaining all the performance they packed in 360+ version. I imagine that 360+ version can be a bit tough for touch shots. It's a bit one trick pony stick with amazing groundstrokes. 22mm could offer more touch and feedback.
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Doppio?I also think it is a good idea to add some more weight to your handle.
Earlier my Elevates also had that similar balance of 32.4cm. Lowering the balance to about 32cm made my serve motion feel more natural. Of course it is just preference and what you're used to.
BTW. Maybe I also should try the Doppio.
Have you tried the IG though?Time for the Head Graphene 360+ MP 18x20 review ! I don't know anyone using this frame (Karatsev is the strongest endorser) BUT I can see some young players in the future popping up with a prostock of this model.
I tested every prestige MP from IG version (had even anniversary edition in my hands) so there was IG (innegra), Graphene, Graphene Xt and Graphene Touch. I think i didnt skip any names?
Innegra - great frame, fast but stable enough, suprisingly good spin potential, some users were reporting issues with elbow or wrist (not me)
Graphene - very demanding (they increased SW a lot on this one), the feel was a bit harsher. I know nobody that liked that frame. In fact most users at this point probably switched to Yonex Vcore Duel G which maybe was at that moment the closest thing to IG prestige (but needed more lead)
Graphene XT - kinda hollow feeling, it was a bit like innegra without the feel
Graphene Touch - It was a step into right direction. I know some Head sponsored coaches that were on the edge of switching their brand after 4 horrible years with prestige line (Graphene and Xt). Most were aiming at the Yonex Vcore line but Touch edition managed to keep some of them. In my opinion it was slightly anemic, required low tensions or some mods but the feel in my opinion was already nice. Of course if we compare it to competition frames back then it would fade out. At this point Wilson was already all over the place dominating with Blades. Yonex also took a big share out of Head's Hands (lol) - internet wasn't helping either. Most were still favouring IG line. HUGE problem for Head.
and here we are - 360+ MP. Or should we say Recuperation line?
Yes, this is my favourite edition and I like it even more than the legendary (not anymore!) IG / innegra. First of all in stock form I think the specs are pretty much spot on for me. Maybe I would prefer a slight (but very small) bump in SW but I guess it depends on quality control.
I was holding 6 different Prestige MP 360+ in my hands from different users and in different time. The first one (demo version in a store) felt the best to me. One was slightly too heavy and rest of them were the closest to each other and slightly faster than the demo version. I am very sensitive to specs but I would say the QC on prestige line is good and above average.
Performance - Prestige that is able to take out some Blade users from Wilson camp ? It's much more forgiving and spin friendly than previous versions. It's a frame that can be used by 4.0. Friends coaches noticed slight bump in power and spin (especially serves) with only a small drawback on volleys.
I think this is near perfect frame for somebody that in general prefers lower powered response but quite nice forgiveness and spin potential for 18x20 pattern. So far I was saying that all IG fans should try Dunlop CX200 Tour. Now I say pick 360+ graphene version.
Also right now If I had to change my current racquet of choice (Angell TC95 16x19 with 1.30 gauge strings) I would pick between Head Prestige 360+ MP or Tecnifibre Tfight RS305 and change the gauge to 1.25... maybe Blade V7 18x20 but haven't tried it yet.
What could be improved? That's the BIG question for Head and for the fans. I know many players that already stocked up with that edition in fear that Head will ruin their upcoming release.
I don't know the answer to this question. First because we need to respect the prestige line and the overall DNA of the racquet. It should remain control oriented with great touch and feel. It should still remain maneuverable and let more demanding players mod it a bit (probably leather +tiny amount of lead at 12"). I hope they will not increase the flex in the hoop that kinda shoots off the ball with a slight boost (Yonex Vcore 97 HD has it and its taking away the confidence). They could slightly (JUST SLIGHTLY) push the performance towards Speed Pro. Or just slightly add more plow. I would be surprised if they could manage to create something similar to 360+ but with even more spin potential and same control. That would be crazy good.
Why I haven't switched? First because I already have 3x customized angells. Second, because it's not any better. It's just as good just like Tecnifibre Tfight RS and probably Blade 18x20. BUT the main reason is that I currently play with 16x19 pattern which enables me to play good vs better players (if that makes any sense?). From difficult situations it's easier to hit amazing counter attacks. It's easier to serve a bomb and kick serves. Even if during practice I felt confident with Prestige I am not sure how it could affect my results.
Yes I have Tecnifibre RS305 in my bag (modified) and I do believe that 18x19 is the perfect meet in the middle. Why I haven't switched to RS305 ? Because I would have to modify all the purchased racquets to make it more HL and I am very OCD (I had maybe like 6 angells with very very similar specs but I couldn't compete with some of them because they felt heavier or lighter than my nr. 1) . I have one RS for fun hitting or to restart my brain.
I give it a 7.2 rating. Slightly more plow and spin potential would be appreciated. Otherwise the best Prestige I tested ever.
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IG is innegra so Yes. Its slightly behind the 360+ MP.
But TW doesn't carry it anymore?IG is innegra so Yes. Its slightly behind the 360+ MP.
no pro stock reviews from me sorry
Innegra is the timeline „technology”. So there were IG (innegra) speeds, radicals, prestige, extremes…
before IG there was „youtek” something like that also great prestige frames. Before that I was too young to register the lines.I think Doppio means this frame, not sure what generation of it though https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/ProKennex_Ki_Q_5/descpageRCPK-Q5KI30.html
Thanks but I am still confused lol It is getting into my HEAD, help!Innegra is the timeline „technology”. So there were IG (innegra) speeds, radicals, prestige, extremes…
i played with IG speed and prestige. Prestige was better and speed was very unstable.
Ig line (innegra) was replaced by graphene line then xt line then touch line to 360 + and now auxetic. 10 years of tennis history
So this is the newer version of the IG Prestige Pro reviewed here: https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/racquet_reviews/HYIGPPreview.html ?Time for the Head Graphene 360+ MP 18x20 review ! I don't know anyone using this frame (Karatsev is the strongest endorser) BUT I can see some young players in the future popping up with a prostock of this model.
I tested every prestige MP from IG version (had even anniversary edition in my hands) so there was IG (innegra), Graphene, Graphene Xt and Graphene Touch. I think i didnt skip any names?
Innegra - great frame, fast but stable enough, suprisingly good spin potential, some users were reporting issues with elbow or wrist (not me)
Graphene - very demanding (they increased SW a lot on this one), the feel was a bit harsher. I know nobody that liked that frame. In fact most users at this point probably switched to Yonex Vcore Duel G which maybe was at that moment the closest thing to IG prestige (but needed more lead)
Graphene XT - kinda hollow feeling, it was a bit like innegra without the feel
Graphene Touch - It was a step into right direction. I know some Head sponsored coaches that were on the edge of switching their brand after 4 horrible years with prestige line (Graphene and Xt). Most were aiming at the Yonex Vcore line but Touch edition managed to keep some of them. In my opinion it was slightly anemic, required low tensions or some mods but the feel in my opinion was already nice. Of course if we compare it to competition frames back then it would fade out. At this point Wilson was already all over the place dominating with Blades. Yonex also took a big share out of Head's Hands (lol) - internet wasn't helping either. Most were still favouring IG line. HUGE problem for Head.
and here we are - 360+ MP. Or should we say Recuperation line?
Yes, this is my favourite edition and I like it even more than the legendary (not anymore!) IG / innegra. First of all in stock form I think the specs are pretty much spot on for me. Maybe I would prefer a slight (but very small) bump in SW but I guess it depends on quality control.
I was holding 6 different Prestige MP 360+ in my hands from different users and in different time. The first one (demo version in a store) felt the best to me. One was slightly too heavy and rest of them were the closest to each other and slightly faster than the demo version. I am very sensitive to specs but I would say the QC on prestige line is good and above average.
Performance - Prestige that is able to take out some Blade users from Wilson camp ? It's much more forgiving and spin friendly than previous versions. It's a frame that can be used by 4.0. Friends coaches noticed slight bump in power and spin (especially serves) with only a small drawback on volleys.
I think this is near perfect frame for somebody that in general prefers lower powered response but quite nice forgiveness and spin potential for 18x20 pattern. So far I was saying that all IG fans should try Dunlop CX200 Tour. Now I say pick 360+ graphene version.
Also right now If I had to change my current racquet of choice (Angell TC95 16x19 with 1.30 gauge strings) I would pick between Head Prestige 360+ MP or Tecnifibre Tfight RS305 and change the gauge to 1.25... maybe Blade V7 18x20 but haven't tried it yet.
What could be improved? That's the BIG question for Head and for the fans. I know many players that already stocked up with that edition in fear that Head will ruin their upcoming release.
I don't know the answer to this question. First because we need to respect the prestige line and the overall DNA of the racquet. It should remain control oriented with great touch and feel. It should still remain maneuverable and let more demanding players mod it a bit (probably leather +tiny amount of lead at 12"). I hope they will not increase the flex in the hoop that kinda shoots off the ball with a slight boost (Yonex Vcore 97 HD has it and its taking away the confidence). They could slightly (JUST SLIGHTLY) push the performance towards Speed Pro. Or just slightly add more plow. I would be surprised if they could manage to create something similar to 360+ but with even more spin potential and same control. That would be crazy good.
Why I haven't switched? First because I already have 3x customized angells. Second, because it's not any better. It's just as good just like Tecnifibre Tfight RS and probably Blade 18x20. BUT the main reason is that I currently play with 16x19 pattern which enables me to play good vs better players (if that makes any sense?). From difficult situations it's easier to hit amazing counter attacks. It's easier to serve a bomb and kick serves. Even if during practice I felt confident with Prestige I am not sure how it could affect my results.
Yes I have Tecnifibre RS305 in my bag (modified) and I do believe that 18x19 is the perfect meet in the middle. Why I haven't switched to RS305 ? Because I would have to modify all the purchased racquets to make it more HL and I am very OCD (I had maybe like 6 angells with very very similar specs but I couldn't compete with some of them because they felt heavier or lighter than my nr. 1) . I have one RS for fun hitting or to restart my brain.
I give it a 7.2 rating. Slightly more plow and spin potential would be appreciated. Otherwise the best Prestige I tested ever.
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Nope. Head switched their namings. 18x20 is now pro. 16x19 is now tour.Previously MP was 18x20 and pro was 16x19.
I havent but i should. There was something that pushed me back but i should for sure. Didnt head drop it in auxecit line ? I know there was in 360+
it’s called the MP now. 18x19 thin beam. I came close to buy blind when the 360+ were heavily discounted somewhere local but picked up a speed pro. I’d be curious to compare.
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All aboard the hype train once again!I am slowly getting hyped about new speed pro
oh its definitely on my list. Maybe one of my students will buy it oneday
I wonder what's the "entry" level of this frame. Kinda like Head Extreme Tour ? Or maybe Speed MP? I'm not sure how should I look at that frame. It's light and has low SW, its 99" but it's a prestige with thin beam so maybe something like "advanced" players looking for more help?
have you also tried M8?
Feeling under your hand is so sublime. Argh....It's really hard to find anywhere else. @dandan.tennis
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i hope too. I will also try to get my hands on Speed Pro AuxeticI hope you can someday compare the TF40(18x20) 305 with the RS 305
I actually pick frames mostly for the stats
I would say TF40 is better vs worse players that want you to dictate the point. As soon as I am pushed back it's easier to come back with RS305. Both have actually great touch @dandan.tennis
I've found exactly the same thing with the TF40 (previous edition). It can be a bit sluggish against good opponents and fast incoming balls, but when you're forced to dictate the point, its stability and reliable precision make it one of the best weapons I have for those situations.I actually pick frames mostly for the stats
are you still getting on with the diadem elevate? or have moved on from it--were there any benefits to it over the rs305 and tf40 ?
Moved on to TF40 315 as it was closer to my specs. Less mods needed. Elevate However kicked out prestige from my bag. Currently have 3 frames in a bag angells, TF40 and RS305
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Same weight, same balance, almost same headsize, same swing weight, similar stiffness (66 ra vs 69 ra but foam filled). Thickness might be the deciding factor but I would say target players are similar. In the past there were thinner tfights. They tweak it from time to time.
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Interesting combo, have similar options in mine: RS300, Elev305, Tecni LTD (for arm healing) and now finishing with the setup of Bab PS VS 2022, honorable mention TF40 line. Strings are all hybrids as std set up.Moved on to TF40 315 as it was closer to my specs. Less mods needed. Elevate However kicked out prestige from my bag. Currently have 3 frames in a bag angells, TF40 and RS305
Hmmmm benefits. Maybe in stock form Elevate is slightly more „ready” to play where TF40 needs that mass imo. At the end both needed lead for my competitive matches. TF40 offers more spin
I did try RS300 las weekend. Complete review to come later but to be honest I think most will enjoy IGA more
TF40 315 (16x19) is excellent; early to judge, but right away goes to my all time top 5 list!Moved on to TF40 315 as it was closer to my specs. Less mods needed. Elevate However kicked out prestige from my bag. Currently have 3 frames in a bag angells, TF40 and RS305
Hmmmm benefits. Maybe in stock form Elevate is slightly more „ready” to play where TF40 needs that mass imo. At the end both needed lead for my competitive matches. TF40 offers more spin
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for me it is better than Vcore Pro 97 and Prestiges (but I had to customize my TF40). Sweet spot is maybe a bit smaller but seems to be very responsive/grabby but at the same time the frame is very low powered so you actually crave that extra response. It's what I wanted to get from Angell TC97 basicly. Faster response but in a very control oriented/low powered way which overall give you the sensation of longer dwell time anyway. It's like whenever I try to hit faster it will translate into spin. Great frame, could have slightly bigger sweet spot but that's the thing with frames like this.
At least try it... you won't regret.
If I find a used one for a decent price I'll get one but tecnifibres are kinda rare here.
your choice is great too. Thats for sureIf I find a used one for a decent price I'll get one but tecnifibres are kinda rare here.
Also doing too well with the gravity pro for now, still undefeated with it and won a tournament
I'm not so keen on demoing, takes me too long to really judge frame.
I think I will try to hunt down new Princes
You need to get back on the Speed Pro hype first!your choice is great too. Thats for sure
Haha, that is also true. I also like the new paintjob. But not sure when I will have a chance to hold it
