volkl tour 9 V-engine 16x19 2nd ever review i think??

OzNQc

Rookie
ME!

My background:

i hit a decent ball and i am still good enough at times to compete in open-level regional tournaments even with my old age (33!), lotsa beer and all the junkfood!

My serve is the best part of my game. Play single hand off both sides. I can play all court but i am really lazy now coming to the net hahaha Actually, i should not laugh because my friends say i look like a grandma jogging to the net hahahahaha Sorry, i cannot still help laughing at my predicament!!!

Previous volkl racquets in chronology = tour 9 gen 1 followed by tour 10 V-engine MP. I have played these in stock and with extensive modifications to swingweight, weight, balance and strings!

Now, the criteria for my next racquet is:

SW = 300-310
stiffness > 62
weight = 310-330 grams = 11 - 11.5 oz
balance point = 5-8 pts
beamwidth < 24 mm
string pattern = 16x19
grip-size > or = 4 1/2
special features = V-engine (yes i want juice!) and volkl sensation
price < US$120 cheaper = more the merrier!

life-style:
i do not want to go to the gym and pump iron everyday! I prefer the grass is greener on the other side life-style now = booze, women, junkfood and some good tennis in between!

Overall: i want a bat which is something in between the two volkls above. for these reasons, i figured the volkl tour 9 V-engine 16x19 would be the likely successor!

volkl tour 9 V-engine 16x19 2nd ever review i think!

Grip size = 4 5/8 or L5 with original grip

String = Gosen OG-sheep micro 17. I normally use kirschbaum P2 17L but the string in my new reel has popped 3 times during stringing. Maybe a bad batch! Anyway…..

Frame 1 = 55 lbs
Frame 2 = 52 lbs

Racquet specs:
both racquets weigh in at 326 grams!

Racquet cosmetics:
Ugly frame design but what matters the most is function! Basic frame colour could have been more thought out along the lines of their tour bags (yellow and black). Sure the T10s should be represented by these colours but maybe some subtle use of patterns in these colours could discern it from the T10s! Anyway, the fractured volkl and tour 9 decals look great!

Test conditions:
Outdoor matches on synthetic grass, carpet and US open style courts.

Groundstrokes:
Both racquets were very slow through the air. In fact, they do not feel like 308 SW! I swung my volkl tour 10 VE MPs and they felt faster through the air. I also swung my tour 9 gen 1s for a comparison and they were faster than the T10 VE MP! It beats me why that is but that is the reality of the situation. Maybe it is the aerodynamics of the racquet. Fat beam + crossbar = More resistance through the air! Also, it could be the balance point. Anyway, there was good power on shots but I found that I could not apply enough topspin to keep the hard hit balls in. On neutral exchanges, a slower relaxed swing resulted in better topspin for a heavy and deeper ball. The slice worked very nicely. I was able to generate the same amount of slice with these new bats as my old volkls. Comfort-wise, the racquet really felt tinny and not as comfortable as the T9 gen 1 which is stiffer or the T10 VE MP. Moreover, there was a strong jarring sensation when I missed the centre of the sweetspot. The T9 VE really feels like the head LM radical MP bats I tested a while back. The LM in the Head racquets may just be fiberglass with a fancy name as in the volkls. The other alternative is there is no fiberglass in the T9 VE and no LM at all in the Heads hahahaha Anyway, enough of my hypotheses! Overall, I found the T9 VE 16x19 to be below average in the groundies department.

Volleys:
Defensive volleys were good but attacking volleys seemed to either end up as sitters or miss their target badly. The bottomline: this bat is below average for volleys.

Smash:
The forehand side smashes were much better than the backhand side where I missed heaps and I do not normally miss them! Again, the slowness if the racquet through the air caused balls to fly out. Generally speaking, smashing is below average for this racquet.

Service:
This is where the racquet is extremely disappointing. For 2 and ½ sets, I really struggled. It got to the point where I changed my service motion which is an absolute no-no normally! The racquet was so slow during the service motion that I was left wondering if I should have just used a cricket bat! There is power but that is useless if the ball ends up 1 ft out of the service box. It was harder to generate slice and kick serves in comparison to the other 2 volkls. My opponent was just licking his chops and teeing off which just should not happen on my service. After 2 and ½ sets where I could not serve the 1st set out twice, losing the 2nd set 6-0 and trailing 3-0 in the 3rd, I decided to pull out my tour 9 gen 1 and proceeded to turn the match around quickly! By the way, my opponent was still fresh! So, it definitely makes sense that the new bats were crap on service! The service as I said above was improved somewhat by a change in service motion. A fluid all out swing on first and second serves resulted in a slightly more powerful serves. The caveat here is my shoulder is about to falloff! Overall, I rate the T9 VE 16x19 to be very poor in the service department. Moreover, it is probably one of the worst racquets that I have ever served with in stock form and I have used princes, heads, wilsons, fischers , dunlops and of course volkls!

Returns:
The T9 VE bats were better in this department but not by much. Slice returns on the backhand side were great and consistent! Some powerful forehand returns were there but again the sluggishness of the racquet affected how much spin I could apply to bring those balls down into the court! Overall, I give this bat an above average rating on returns.


Touchshots:
I only tried 2 dropshots and they failed oh so miserably. In fact, one ended up half way into the net and the other just floated to midcourt on my opponent’s side where he promptly punished it! End of message on this department


Conclusion:
In stock form, the volkl T9 VE 16x19 is a poor racquet in my hands! The Volkl T9 gen 1 in stock form is far superior to this effort from volkl. I feel that the slowness of the T9 VE in the air really punished it in the various stroke departments particularly the serve which is the best part of my game. That being said, another review should be made on a modified form of the racquet to change the balance and stability before I can write it off! Stay tuned…….
 

vsdtrek

Semi-Pro
Nice review - thanks!

Very timely for me, I was thinking of buying one and many of your observations have made me think twice.
 

playingagain

New User
thanks for the review. it's always nice to read reviews when you're looking to get a new racquet.

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but there isn't much mention of the tour 9 ve in this forum. I demoed it and found it to be pretty much what I expected and read about--lower swingweight, stable and sturdy for it's weight, on the powerful end of the spectrum for a player's racquet. I also found it to be somewhat muted in feel, kind of like the prince tour diablo. this may, in part, be due to the cheap strings that were around 50lbs. not as maneuverable as a typical player's racquet but it's lighter weight makes it maneuverable enough. Control was good with this racquet. Interesting racquet in that I feel it would be suitable for a beginner as it would a more advanced player. It's an all-round solid stick that does everything pretty well, but nothing stands out. I think a 5.5+ player would be better off with another player's frame.
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
i was disapointed on t9ve 16x19 too.
try the dnx-9, it is totally different racquet... an excellent racquet
 

AndrewD

Legend
playingagain,

I'd have a look through the archives (not available via a regular search) if I were you as there has been quite a lot of discussion regarding the t9 VE: although I can't recall anyone having anything good to say about it.
 

lcw

Rookie
My wife (level 4.5 to 5 ) uses this racquet and prefers it to her old stick the PD. She produces plenty of spin and power with it. I personally used it every now and then and found it to be a nicer hit than the DNX 9. No racquet was ever built to suite every body and perception often gets in the way of hidden gems.
 

playingagain

New User
playingagain,

I'd have a look through the archives (not available via a regular search) if I were you as there has been quite a lot of discussion regarding the t9 VE: although I can't recall anyone having anything good to say about it.

Thanks, didn't know about the archives. JDEloach has a page of all his reviews. The tour9 ve 16x19 was rated one of the best according to him. but in the end, i did test it out for myself and it's not nimble and maneuverable enough for me. too bulky feeling. i can see this as a great choice for me if i needed more power but through demoing racquets i've found i can handle (like in my college days) and prefer a heavier swingweight with more control.
 

OzNQc

Rookie
Nice review - thanks!

Very timely for me, I was thinking of buying one and many of your observations have made me think twice.

Cheers mate!

Try to demo it anyway rather than just listen to others like me! Who knows? It may be a racquet more suited for your style of game! I would never have bought my 1st volkls without demo-ing them several years ago! Anyway, i cannot declare the t9 ve 16x19 a dead-loss yet! Some mods need to be made before i can rule it out for my use! i will try to put my other review on the mods in the next few days!
 

OzNQc

Rookie
Absolutely!

My wife (level 4.5 to 5 ) uses this racquet and prefers it to her old stick the PD. She produces plenty of spin and power with it. I personally used it every now and then and found it to be a nicer hit than the DNX 9. No racquet was ever built to suite every body and perception often gets in the way of hidden gems.

LCW! Spot on that statement! It also goes to show different tweaks by the manufacturer to the same racquet do not necessarily make it better or play the same as the previous version!

On the subject of the pure-drive comparison.....

I actually liked the Babolat pure drive when i demo`d it a long long time ago!
It was great on walloping shots but it was almost like a duck out of water on slower swings to change the rythm of the rally. It is a racquet that i absolutely got a swing like a madman on every groundy! It had a very nice pocketing effect. Volleys were nice and it was designed to serve bombs lol

Actually, in stock form the PD was heaps better than the t9 ve 16x19!

Anyway....
 

OzNQc

Rookie
yep mate,,,,that`s why JDEloach and me did a review!

playingagain,

I'd have a look through the archives (not available via a regular search) if I were you as there has been quite a lot of discussion regarding the t9 VE: although I can't recall anyone having anything good to say about it.

The t9 ve has not received many positive comments as you have duly noted. However, there should be a population demographic that it should please like JDEloach for example! For me, it is a disappointing bat in stock form but it may play better when mod`d!

Thank god the price is low! how much are they going for in oz??? AUS$ 300???
 

OzNQc

Rookie
yeah there is power in this bat!

Thanks, didn't know about the archives. JDEloach has a page of all his reviews. The tour9 ve 16x19 was rated one of the best according to him. but in the end, i did test it out for myself and it's not nimble and maneuverable enough for me. too bulky feeling. i can see this as a great choice for me if i needed more power but through demoing racquets i've found i can handle (like in my college days) and prefer a heavier swingweight with more control.

Dude, the racquet can feel like a rocket launcher at times. This is where spin is needed in my case to bring the ball down and as you noted, it is not nimble. Good to see someone else has the same opinion. I feel the v-engine contributes alot to this effect. In fact, i was able to hit some sneaky and powerful shots with the bat! The only problem has been trying to reproduce it.
 

OzNQc

Rookie
Rapid review of modified T9 VE 16x19 #1

I cut the PRAP bumper on the bats to about grommet 10 from the tip of the head.

Service:

The racquet served alot better in terms of power, spin and placement. However, these improvements are still nowhere near the capability of the old T9 Gen 1 or T10 VE MP racquets.

Groundies:

Actually, this is where i thought the bat may improve but it was the opposite in reality. The racquet felt less stable and the topspin on the ball was markedly decreased. Slices were still ok but they lacked the bite of the stock form.

Volleys:

It was easier to get the bat into position on the volleys which improved this department somewhat but it was nothing to rave about.

Smashes:

The more HL balance made it easier for the smashes on the FH side but the BH side still was awkard!


Returns:

The lower mass in the head made for weaker returns. Slice was still ok but i could feel the bat getting pushed around which is not good.


Touchshots:

They are still hopeless with this racquet!

Overall:
Making the racquet more HL by removing mass in the head resulted in only a minor improvement to the performance of the racquet in my hands. I will try another mod to see the effect....
 

OzNQc

Rookie
lead tape on sides of T9 VE 16x19 review

Added 8 grams of lead between 2-5 and 7-10 oclock positions

Service:

The racquet served better than the stock and the PRAP modified form of the racquet. Again, the old T9 Gen 1 or T10 VE MP racquets served much better.
The only caveat is my elbow is starting to twinge with these racquets!

Groundies:

The racquet felt more stable on shots. There was too much power this time and again for some reason, i could bring the harderhit balls down with topspin. Loopy topspin was actually the viable option here. Slices were good again and pretty much equal to the stock form. Comfort-wise my wrist was starting to get sore.

Volleys:

Volleys felt more crisp. However, this did not really translate to a harder hit volley. Very stange.

Smashes:

Smashes were better all around. There still is this problem with the backhand side which i think is related to this model because i still smash well with my other volkls.

Returns:

Returns were better with the lead tape added. However, the overabundance of power on the forehand side really made for some rocketlaunched balls to the backfence.

Touchshots:

Again, riciduculously bad!

Overall:
Putting lead on the sides of the racquet made for a better playing racquet than the stock form. However, this still did not improve its playability beyond that of its older sibling the tour 9 gen 1. In addition, i am starting to get wrist and elbow soreness with these racquets.
 

OzNQc

Rookie
oops error

Actually this should read:

"There was too much power this time and again for some reason, i could not bring the harderhit balls down with topspin.
 

OzNQc

Rookie
end of experiments! Going back to my T10 VE MPs!

I think the title says it all!

Tried to squeeze some life out of these bats for my gameplay!

Alas we must depart hahahaha

4 almost brand new bats looking for good homes here!

Happy tennis everyone!
 
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