Weakest Year End #2's

[McEnroeisanartist]

A lot of posters seem to think that it would be a measure of how weak 2014 is in tennis, if old man Federer finishes the year ranked #2.

While he would be the first year end #2 to not win a Grand Slam during the year since 2004, he did reach 3 Grand Slam semifinals. How do you think his year would compare to these other "weak" year end #2s of the last 30 years.

2004 - Andy Roddick - Reached 1 Grand Slam final, no other Grand Slam semifinals. Won 1 Masters Series tournament.

2002 - Andre Agassi - Reached 1 Grand Slam final, no other Grand Slam semifinals. However, he did win 3 Masters Series tournaments during the year.

1998 - Marcelo Rios - Reached 1 Grand Slam final, no other Grand Slam semifinals. However, he did win 3 Masters Series tournaments.

1993 - Michael Stich - Reached 1 Grand Slam semifinal. However, he did win 2 Masters Series tournaments and Year End Finals.

1990 - Boris Becker - Reached 1 Grand Slam final, and 1 other Grand Slam semifinal. He won 1 Masters Series tournament.

 

[LazyNinja19]

OP's agenda: Put other players down, to bump up Federer. Time & time again. Over & over again.
Dude, give it a rest. We know you worship Roger. No need to make 2 threads everyday, to prove your blind fanboyism.


P.S. Where's the mention of your "friend", who initiated this topic with you, at "dinner last night"? :lol:

 

[McEnroeisanartist]

OP's agenda: Put other players down, to bump up Federer. Time & time again. Over & over again.
Dude, give it a rest. We know you worship Roger. No need to make 2 threads everyday, to prove your blind fanboyism.


P.S. Where's the mention of your "friend", who initiated this topic with you, at "dinner last night"? :lol:

I am not putting other players down in this thread. Not even sure how it is read that way. I am surprised that Federer is even in this position, shocked that Nadal and the rest of the field haven't stepped it up more.

 

[LazyNinja19]

I am not putting other players down in this thread. Not even sure how it is read that way. I am surprised that Federer is even in this position, shocked that Nadal and the rest of the field haven't stepped it up more.

Nadal hasn't stepped up? :lol: What was the difference between the points of Nadal and Federer, before Nadal pulled out of a Slam and 2 Masters worth 4000 points?

Nadal has won a Slam. The "rest of the field" has won the other 3 Slams. Federer none!

I'll leave you in your #FedDreamland. No point arguing with blind worshipers.

 

[gambitt]

Who was the #2 during the alleged weak era that Federer dominated (04-07)?

 

[tennisaddict]

Federer has been the 2nd best player this year and he deserves being there.

 

[jg153040]

Federer has been the 2nd best player this year and he deserves being there.

Am I missing something? Is Federer nr.2 today?

 

[McEnroeisanartist]

Nadal hasn't stepped up? :lol: What was the difference between the points of Nadal and Federer, before Nadal pulled out of a Slam and 2 Masters worth 4000 points?

Nadal has won a Slam. The "rest of the field" has won the other 3 Slams. Federer none!

I'll leave you in your #FedDreamland. No point arguing with blind worshipers.

Yes, After Nadal's amazing 2013, I would not have expected him to only win one Grand Slam this year. Very disappointing for him. I think this sentiment is felt by many.

 

[jg153040]

Who was the #2 during the alleged weak era that Federer dominated (04-07)?

Experts here at TW say Nadal. But, apparently ATP for some reason didn't get the memo. I don't know why, but we will have to look into it.

 

[Indio]

The weakest Number 2s were:
a)1997--Rafter. Won just a single tournament and lost 29 matches. He was stronger as a Number 4 in 1998, winning six tournaments, and losing just 21 times.

b)1999--Kafelnikov. Lost 32 times. Year-end ranking was 1--Agassi, 2--YK, 3--Sampras. Had Sampras not been injured for part of the year, it likely would have been 1--PS, 2--AA, 3--YK, with a big dropoff after #2.

 

[gambitt]

Experts here at TW say Nadal. But, apparently ATP for some reason didn't get the memo. I don't know why, but we will have to look into it.

I don't follow. As 04-07 was a weak era then the regular #2 player for that era must have also been weak. QED

 

[abmk]

Who was the #2 during the alleged weak era that Federer dominated (04-07)?

Experts here at TW say Nadal. But, apparently ATP for some reason didn't get the memo. I don't know why, but we will have to look into it.

:lol:

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[The_Order]

Who was the #2 during the alleged weak era that Federer dominated (04-07)?

Nadal was #2 from 05 - 07.

Not a bad achievement considering Federer was in his peak, but I must say it was aided by the lack of overall depth in the field.

When you have clowns like Ljubicic and Blake who can't go deep in majors nor win any meaningful titles behind you and you've got Nadal's abilities there really isn't anyone pressing to take #2 away from you.

This is why Fed was on top for so long. People behind him were a teenage clay court specialist who was only able to win on HC by beating sub par competitors and 35 year old, and then followed by Blake, Ljubicic, Robredo etc. Hewitt and Roddick were his biggest threats but they were nowhere near consistent enough to threaten top spot nor were they ever good enough to beat him in that period either.

Roddick's beaten nobody special in any HC major apart from his win against Novak which was aided by Novak's health not holding up more than him being too good for him. Roddick's best HC slam win was against El Aynaoui and even in that he almost lost.

All these federinas are in denial. Hewitt was the only guy who had a chance to pass Murray in the rankings and if he did it would only be for one season. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would be way ahead of the rest of them.

 

[tennisaddict]

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Hewitt was the only guy who had a chance to pass Murray in the rankings and if he did it would only be for one season. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would be way ahead of the rest of them.

Post 2008 Fed has won 6 majors and has been number 1 in 2012 at age 31 after both Novak won his first majors and Nadal had won 4 majors.

Nadal has been winning majors since 2005.

It does not matter what the tour composition is as the Tsongas, Berdych's, Ferrer's as is Ljubicic / Davydenko/Blake were not winning majors either.

So your post amounts to bluff.

 

[TheTruth]

The weakest would be the one who didn't win a slam in the contending year. It can't be Nadal since he won a slam every year since he won his first.

I remember this argument being bandied about when the World #1 held the top spot without a major, as in the case of Rios, Jankovic, Davenport, Sharapova, etc.

So woe to the high ranked player holding that spot now! Posters will go crazy.