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There is an article in Bleach Report that explains same thing. Fed did benefited with title count but he didn't gained mental strength that later cost him when Novak and Nadal came.
What are the time periods for the so called Weak Era, Strong Era & Career Inflation Era respectively ? Did they exist ?
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He reached #4 with only 2 QF at USO, Rublev was never #4 so far with 9 QF reached.
Djokovic benefited from a 10-15 year gap in decent players.
Let’s list the ages of the players you’ve mentioned.
Federer - 42
Nadal - 37
Thiem - 30
Murray - 36
Stan - 38
Medvedev - 27
Tsitsipas - 25
Alcaraz - 20
To that list I’ll ad Del Potro - 35
Now, I have many quibbles with your list. Thiem is a nobody and shouldn’t be on there. He’s slightly off peak and been completely surpassed by the young generation (Alcaraz, Sinner, Rune, etc)
Tsitsipas is a head case who never had a future beyond semi finals at best.
But the ages shows a complete lack of decent players between the current ages of low 20s to low 30s, about 1-2 entire generations of decent players.
That’s 2-3 generations which turned out no decent players and would have been absolutely barren if Medvedev wasn’t around.
And it’s not like they were only losing to Djokovic. Most of the players in this era were losing to old Djokovic, old Federer, old Nadal, old Wawrinka and when those guys got too injured to start playing they started losing to the players who are now in their early 20s.
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Again the same thing. Murray and Wawrinka were able to win a slam. Murray not RG and Stan not WB but all other options were on the table which is no the case with Roddick and Hewitt.
Mid 30's goat candidate is expected to don't have much difficulty.
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Novak is almost 20 years on the tour, he faced both strong and weak field, strong and weak draws and had good and bad seasons, it is all expected.
The age gap works both ways. Fed didn't had anyone in the players group around his age and between him and Sampras...
Thing is that players born in the 80's are just brutal strong and have extended their careers longer than previous generations so for the players born in the 90's there wasn't much left.
Ok, there is no ATG among them but there is no universal rule that every age group needs to have at least one.
mike danny
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Higher level though. 2005 and 2006 USO's better than anything Rublev has shown.
mike danny
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Not when it's supposed to be a stronger era than the one he dominated in his mid 20's.
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Sure, and he 99% never passed first 3 rounds on other slams. You are now reaching.
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Well he failed to win any slam in that period so it is stronger.
2006 Nadal on clay >>>> anyone Djokovic had since face between 15-16. His only threat was Stan at RG.
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Clay tournaments are 30% of the tour.
06 nadal took 1 set from peak fed on grass, same as 15 fed took off djokovic = same level comp.
same for 06 roddick vs 15 fed at uso
06 claydal >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone djokovic faced at slams or masters in 2015. It's a slam dunk. 2006 was weak but 2015 was weakest year we'd seen since 2002.
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Sure thing buddy, when a mug like Blake reach #4 in the end, hardly can a season be weaker.
what does Blake being ranked a certain number have to do with their actual comp at slams and masters events?
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It only shows how good were Roddick and Hewitt in those days.
No worse or better than 2015 fed/murray. Difference is 06 Fed had Nadal as a roadblock on clay, djokovic had Berdych, 15 Federer and Stan.
mike danny
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But not because of Djoker's competition.
mike danny
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Blake was inconsistent, but when he was on, he was better than Rublev.
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Did Wawrinka defeated him at RG15? Miloš Raonić WB16?
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And who did Fed had on other slams? Baghdatis and Roddick?
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Yeah, only 3 QF slams as best result in his career with 1 master final is really good. Keep pushing.
Davydenko, Roddick, 2006 Nadal, Blake. On aggregate about the same difficulty as Murray, 2015 Federer.
BauerAlmeida
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Weak era when the player I don't like is winning and strong era when the one I like is winning.
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LOL, Baghdatis reached slam final and slam semifinal, Roddick, Davydenko and Blake were Fed's target practice... You are pathetic with these pigeons..
usual ********* bollocks. Murray and Federer were such strong competition in 2015 winning 1 set each time.
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Just stop, you are getting desperate.
jackson vile
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Damn, this is very eye opening. Federer had it easy, and was never the true GOAT
Literally stated facts. You’re close to ignore list, djoko b o t. Ignored.
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80s New Wave
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Player you like wins a lot = strong era
Player you don't like wins a lot = weak era
I think that sums it up.
Player you don't like wins a lot = weak era
I think that sums it up.
mike danny
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And 1 WTF final. And another masters final as well. All these lost to Federer.
But seriously, show me one match from Rublev as good as those 2005-2006 USO's from Blake.
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mike danny
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Yes, Wawrinka defeated an old Fed in BO5 on clay, the only place where he could. He's still never beaten Fed off clay and lost easily in their USO SF.
Fed was injured at Wimb 2016 so it was irrelevant.
mike danny
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And Murray and Stan were Fed's.
Biotic
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This post isn't about the strength of the era but about how it isn't all that reasonable to dismiss it just because an old ATG still reigns supreme.
It's never surprised me since I've witnessed one of the pace bowling GOATs, Dale Steyn, be read like an open book by a 36-yo Sachin, himself a batting GOAT.
Steyn was in the middle of one of the greatest peaks ever seen in Test history yet the old man Tendulkar dealt with him with ease because hey.
This fixation with age is for all intents and purposes, silly. I'll have fond memories of these 2023 Alca-Djok matches, just as I do of these Steyn-Sachin battles.
Tendulkar, while he wasn't the explosive beast he was in his mid-20s, was still almost just as good at 36-37. It took him a couple more years since the events in this clip for him to fully decline.
Perhaps Djokovic will also hang around just fine til 2025.
Federer was a different case, slightly. He was still awesome in the 10s, but post 2013 and the related back and knee issues, his decline was a bit more marked than Djokovic'. But full credits to Novak for maintaining his body like it's a sacred temple.
mike danny
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Well, 2015dal who wasn't better than Ljubicic still finished 2015 in the top 5.Unless a MUG like Ljubicic reaches #3.
Razer
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2015 Dal would Mop the floor with Ljubicic anyday
Stop making nonsense comparisons Danny.
2022 Dal would mop the floor with Ljubicic
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